Search for Raynert Anderson b.1841 approx
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 12:39
We don't know his exact birthdate as we have never found any sign of him coming from Norway.
We believe he may have changed his surname to RATCLIFFE, once he arrived in Australia, to avoid persecution. We have no ship's records of hin entering Australia & don't even know the arrival date.
We don't know where in Norway he may have come from, however his Mothers name was Alice
& his Father's name was Raynert, he was a farmer (it states this on his Australian Marriage Certificate).
My understanding is that Raynert is a relatively rare name, but Anderson is more common.
Has anyone got any clues as to where I would begin my search? For my allusive G.G.Grandfather
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 15:19
I have tried to see if I could find anything, but so far without any result.
You say that his fathers name was Raynert (here probably Reinert or Reinhart). If he called himself Andersen, I would suspect that this was his fathers surname. Usually a person at that time with a father called Reinert would be called Reinertsen (= Reinert's son). Be aware of that, if you search records elsewhere.
Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate ? Do you find him in any Australian census records ?
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 15:32
You can try to search emigrant/ship records, but note that 1858 was an early emigration so records does not seem to be comprehensive from that time.
In the 1801 census I find 70 "Reinert", 4 "Reinhard" and 1 "Reinhart", no "Raynert". My impression is that "Reinert" was most common in the Agder district plus around the city of Bergen at that time.
For instance at Agdestein, Stord island, there was in 1801 a Reinert Andersen (age 52), one son called Reinert (8), older son called Anders Reinertsen (age 25), and Anders' son called Reinert Andersen (age 3). This was typical for the naming traditions in Norway: the same names were used for generations typically grandfather's name and sometimes father's own name to sons.
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 16:14
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 16:55
If Andersen/Anderson was father's surname, then I find only one candidate in the 1865 census: Reinert Andersen of Agdesten (Stord island), born in 1799 he was 42 when Raynert was born. If this is the right one, then Raynert had an older broder Anders (born 1825) and according to laws/traditions he would keep the farm.
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 19:04
According to Death Index his father`s name was Reynart too, - Raynerts Ratcliffe`s name should then be Reinert Reinertsen.
Why did he use the name Ratcliffe ? From a farm called Rotneberg, Rot .... or ??
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 19:43
Reinert Andersen (b 1822) at Hvaler apparently married again, so he could have been married to "Alice":
Same for this Reinert:
This one near Mandal born 1809 also married again (children listed are "her").
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 19:58
Why should Reinert in Mandal parish be the one - her children - her second marriage!
Reinert in Høvåg is not the correct father - his wife was the mother of all the children in that family.
The wife of Reinert in Eigersund was Marte Margrete Olsdatter.
Skrevet 21 October 2012 - 22:17
I think it is better to focus on the mother and the fact that the son probably is called Reinert Reinertsen, when he is in Norway and at the time of his departure.
Skrevet 22 October 2012 - 10:48
About Reinert in Mandal: Because it is her second marriage, he might also be in his second marriage and have children older than her children (for instance one that emigrated to Australia). If Alice (Alis, Alise or Elise) can not be found in the 1865 records, she was probably deceased and Reinert is in 1865 a widower or married again. I was only trying to isolate possible candidates.
Many "if"s in this challenge so very difficult to explore all options.
Skrevet 22 October 2012 - 12:45
LITTA OLSEN :- Thanks for your informative replies
1.Yes I have seen the thumbnail you attached. No one on An cestory.com has any more information than me, as far as I can see.
2. I Do you have a copy of his ( Australian ) Marriage Certificate. Dated 4/12/1867.
It clearly states : Father's name was Raynert. A farmer from Norway. His Mother's name Alice Anderson.
3. The only reason, I believe his surname may have been Andersen, is because there is NO RAYNERT RATCLIFFE to be found in
Norway or England. I think when he come to Australia he may have kept his FIRST NAME (Raynert), then changed his surname
from Anderson to RATCLIFFE (because it would be more accepted in his new home Australia).
4. The only certainty I think is Raynert came from Norway. Had a Father named Raynert & a Mother named Alice Anderson.
I am specifically looking for a person with the above born around 1841.
I am yet to find a sibling of Raynert or any trace of his Father, Mother, Uncle or Aunt.
ERIK DOVING:- Thanks for your input
5. No my G G Grandfather's name was RAYNERT RATCLIFFE, but refer to point #3 above.
6. Thanks for looking up the 1801 Cencus
7. This is exactly the type information I need. Naming Conventions through the generations. I found a Raynert N Andersen born
21/1/1918, died 20/5/2006, a farmer from North Dakota, USA. I feel that if I had a better understanding of the Norweign
traditional naming conventions, this Raynert N Andersen, could be related to my family.
As R N A he had a father named Andrew b.1888 d.1974 & maybe his G. Father was my Raynert's original father? born about
8. Great to see the 4 possible Raynert's you have linked me to.
9. I agree we need to explore all options? We are looking for a tiny thread.
10. " If Andersen/Anderson was father's surname, then I find only one candidate in the 1865 census: Reinert Andersen of Agdesten
(Stord island), born in 1799 he was 42 when Raynert was born. If this is the right one, then Raynert had an older brother
Anders (born 1825) and according to laws/traditions he would keep the farm" If this is pausibale, does this mean there maybe
a descendant living on Stord Island?
KARI SANBERG :- Thanks
11. Why did he use the name Ratcliffe? From a farm called Rotneberg, Rot .... or ??
Yes your suggestion plausable. But refer my point 3 above.
It's funny he had 9 children & gave them ALL mainly English names; Charles, Albert, Francis, Ada Mary, Alice Emma, Walter,
Arthur, William & Oscar. Maybe strongly influenced from his English wife (Mary Ann).
There was a ship that came to Australia called "the Ratcliffe" - in the 1850's - I have even gone through the ships crew &
passenger lsit. To no avail.
12. Andersen might be his mother's maiden name, not Raynert`s surname. I agree with your finding. I'm trying ALL alternatives..
But please read my point #3 & #7 above.
THANK YOU ALL, again for ALL your efforts!
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