[#16878] Andreas Knutsen Gorset med familie fra Rennebu, Sør-Trøndelag, til Amerika 1883

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

Andreas Knutsen Gorset(mælen), f. ca. 1840, Meldal (Bogevoll), kona Berit Olsdt., f. ca. 1844 (Hoel) reiste iflg. utfyttede i kirkeboka til Amerika i 1883 (attest datert 28. juli). De hadde med seg barna Knut, f. 1875, Eli, f. 1878 (fra Andreas sitt første ekteskap) og Marit, f. 1882 fra nåværende ekteskap. Hvor dro disse ?Andreas og første kona, Marit Eriksdt., f. ca. 1838, hadde vært i Amerika tidligere. De reiste over i 1868, men kom tilbake i 1873. To av deres barn, Marie Oline, f. 1869 og Ole Carl (Ola), f. 1873, var begge født i Chicago. Kan det være mulig at Andreas og familien også denne gang reiste dit, eller havnet de et annet sted.Er det noen som kan hjelpe meg med dette ?Beste hilsen Inger

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

Glemte å nevne at jeg har lett i utvandrerprotokollene på Digitalarkivet uten å finne disse. Dette er jo også før Ellis Island ble opprettet. Har ikke noen erfaring på hvor mye arbeid det er å sjekke folketellingene der borte, men hvis det ikke hadde vært for stort bry, ville jeg satt veldig til pris på om noen kune gjøre dette for meg. Disse folka bodde på en husmannsplass under gården jeg bor på, og det var etterkommere etter disse her i Norge som kontaktet meg for å høre hvor det ble av disse. Dette er også av interesse for meg, og jeg har tidligere forsøkt å finne ut hvor de dro, men så ble det stopp fordi jeg ikke fant dem i protokollene, og det ble ikke til at jeg gjorde videre undersøkelser. Derfor hadde det vært kjempefint om noen hadde kunnet hjelpe meg litt videre.Beste hilsen Inger

[Gjest Laila N. Christiansen]

Hei! Hva het foreldrene til Andreas Knutsen?Var det noen av barna til Andreas som ble igjen hjemme, siden det er etterkommere i Norge? Laila

[Gjest Laila N. Christiansen]

En annen ting, har du linken til den første utreisen? Laila

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

HeiJeg har ikke funnet dem i utvandrerprotokollene første gangen heller, bare i utflyttingslistene i kirkeboka. Fant i bygdeboka at de to eldste ble født i Chicago. Det var de som ble igjen hjemme. (Marie Oline, f. 1869 og Ole Carl (Ola), f. 1873.) I folketellingen 1900 står det at Marie er født i Chicago, ellers har jeg bare sett Amerika som fødested, bortsett fra bygdeboka. I innflyttingslistene i kirkeboka i 1873 står det at Marie Oline er f. 16.10 1869, døpt 20.2. 1870, og Ole Karl, f. 4.4. 1873, døpt 5.5. (ved konf. er oppgitt dåpsdato 25.5.)Synes det er litt rart at de ikke finnes i utvandringslistene noen av gangene. Kan det være at de reiste på en annen måte, slik at de ikke ble notert i protokollene ? Har vært ut for det flere ganger at det er umulig å finne folk i disse protokollene, selv om det er helt sikkert at folk utvandret til Amerika.Beste hilsen Inger

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Hi---perhaps someone would relate this entry in English, i think your looking for Andrew Knutson, born Norway to Norwegians; d 3 oct 1909, at 68, in Chicago 29 years, a watchman, living at 1440 Barry Ave; buried Mt. Olive. Do you have some in USA who can followup? If not, i can call/visit the cemetery to learn if Marit is there, and perhaps an obit can be found; this additional info will clarify which Andrew this is. What do you think? Roger.

[Gjest Laila N. Christiansen]

Well, Roger, I think you are fantastic... :)Laila

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

I do not have anyone in America who can follow up. I really would appreciate if you could check this for me. It is fantastic to get such help. I really wish that this could be the correct man.Best regards Inger

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Well i don't read Norsk so good...i guess the wife was Berit..i need some help with that, could she be called Bertha or something(in America)? There is no stone for him at Mt. Olive..and the lot seems to be occupied by the Skielvig family. They have a stone...but no dates or first names..so we have a puzzle. It might a Louis Skielvig..d aug 5, 1937..i will look into that...there is a rootsweb posting for him...will you respond to that? The Eli in the index is not yours, i think. Many Knuts. On a stone was 'Ngeman' ..a name or relationship?? Roger.

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

Sorry, I did not translate my norwegian entry. Here is what I am looking for: Andreas Knutsen Gorset, born about 1840, Meldal (the Bogevoll farm), His second wife, Berit Olsdatter, born about 1844, and their children, Knut, born 1875 and Eli, born 1878 (from his first marriage) and Marit, born 1882 (from his second marriage). They left for USA in 1883.Andreas first married Marit Eriksdatter, born about 1838. They left for USA in 1868, and came back in 1873. Two of their children, Marie Oline, born 1869, and Ole Carl (Ola), born 1873, were born in Chicago. (They both settled in Norway).Berit might be called Bertha in America, as you suggest.You mention 'Skielvig' and 'Ngeman'. I do not understand how they are connected to this matter.I am very thankful for your help and effort. I really wish I could do something in return.Best regards Inger

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

The usual 'yoke' involves either Christmas cookies or putting me up for the night. ...per rootsweb..it seems that your Marit (Mari over here) became the mother(ca1893) of Severin Canute Skielvig. He became a Univ. of Illinois graduate. Andrew and some Skielvigs share the same lot in Mt. Olive...this is how we 'know' that Mari is your Marit!! I will look for him in the IL birth index, but most persons were not recorded...still worth a look...Marit's husband was Louis...they should be in the 1900 census...perhaps someone would do a lookup? I will also look for that marriage.. Roger.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Opps...got the date wrong; so it is not your Marit..hmmm...got to be some connection, i suspose...so i will still look up whatever Skielvig references in the birth index and Louis d 1937; still might help to find Skielvigs in the census...Roger.

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

Many thanks for your effort.Best regards Inger

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Inger--i've 'found' some research work for you (and perhaps others)...the Skielvig's are Skiclvig's in Chicago, 1880 census. We learn from the Severine connection (i thought that she was a boy...boy do i need help! ) that mother Mary, aka Marie, is a Knuts..born ca 1840, Norway. and sister/cousin 'Serina', also a Knuts.. born ca1840, Norway lives with husband Lars Skiclvig/skielvig, b ca 1830, Norway. So 2 farm books(also church books/familysearch) may help. I could lookup the birth dates if needed; Lars d 2-2-1894 and Mary/Marie/Marit, 2-9-1914. I will have to look for Serina in the marr and death indexes. The connection is not via Severine/Louis/Anne; still could be via Engman/ngeman(the stone is worn). ..do you intend to seek obits? ..should i do that? ...although i keep careful watch--still no cookies on my doorstep..Roger.

[Gjest Kathy Bergan Schmidt]

Additional facts that may help sort things out: In 1880, the Skielvigs lived at 134 North Union Street in Chicago. I think that wife Mari and boarder Serina are probably sisters.Severin's listing in the University of Illinois Alumni Directory of 1913 says he graduated in 1893 and was an architect. Married Floy Eloise Freeman on 2 December 1903 in Dallas, Texas. Had two children, Mari Aubrey, born 12 Oct 1904 and Lois Judson, born 17 May 1908. 1913 Address was c/o Texas Bldg. Company, Fort Worth, Texas.In the 1930 census, here is a Louis Skielvig, 53 (perhaps he lied about his age to get work??), single, born in Illinois, parents born in Norway, occupation elevator operator, living at the Lenox Hotel at 6310 Dorchester Avenue.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

...just so we don't all bark up the same trees--i have asked Gunnar and Birgette if they are relatives; and asked the Sedona(AZ) PL for the obit of Walter, born 1914--who, of course, is not listed in the 1913 article...hopefully they may have 'your' answers...Roger. ps--Lars was 63 years and 10 months at 2-2-1894 passing. ..and Gunnar's grandfather was a Lars...hmmm

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

Thank you very much, both of you.Roger, where do you find the rootsweb posting for Louis Skielvig ?Severine was born sept. 17, 1870, Chicago of parents Lars and Mari (Knudsen) Skielvig. How can she be related to my people ? The Andrew Knutson you mention, d. 3. oct. 1909, 68 years old, could he be the brother of Marie and Serina ? As far as I know, 'my' Andreas did not have any sisters by that name.I also have to admit that I do not understand what you are writing about cookies. (I am ashamed).I really do appreciate your help. It is wonderful to get in contact with people like you.Best regards Inger

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Hi --- at this point i am out on a limb..and getting further out..hehe; Gunnar tells me that he is the son of Walter, who is the son of Severin, who is the son of Lars Skielvig, who is the husband of Mari, who might be the brother of Andreas. I will look up a Serina in the IL index and order Mari's cert film; might help..but i must ask you how well you 'know' Andreas siblings--or possible cousins--?? Louis was not on the web; did not mean to indicate that, we found him in the 1880/1930 census and i have his 1937 death cert. He was still at the same job, and unmarried when he passed. I am going to ask Gunnar if his family has knowledge of why Andreas and the Skielvigs are in the same cemetery lot. ...the cookie thing is part humor and wishfullness....i am joking(sort of) about being repaid with some great cookies i always hope to find on my doorstep, but never do, likely because some troll beats me to them...Roger.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Well, by not on the web i'am referring to board postings and such; the census info and the IL death index are, of course, online. ..and fyi, some of my stuff to eat references come from the fact that several relatives were bakers in Oslo and others were cooks. We may need a separate posting for the following from the Skielvigs. ..and boy was i really guessing wrongly about someone just coming up with Skielvig info from a farm book. Here is info about them, ..they had no info about Mari so finding his book is really useful; here goes: Lars Larsen? was born in the Bergan area, Skjel area, Vik fjord, maybe a town/area called Hardanger. to USA about 1870 with wife and children. Was a master cabinet maker. A brother, who later studied/performed music in USA studied first with Edvard Grieg. Anyone know them?? thank you, Roger.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

I need to add: wife Mari(t) was born ca 1838 and a child, Anne was born about 1863; according to the 1880 census, so the oldest may have moved or is not living...i'll see whats at familysearch, Roger.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

If Skjelvik/Odda fits, might have been born to Lars Ingebriktson and Ingri Eirikson; many children...Lars Lassson per an igi entry. Roger. i need help with the link...

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

make that Lars Larsson.

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

HelloSorry for not having answered earlier. I have found Lars Larsen Skjelvig and his daughter Anne in the emigrant protocol from Bergen in 1885. They have apparently been to Norway (Ullensvang) for a visit, because they are american citicens. Lars is born in Ullensvang, Hordaland, and Anne is born in Stavanger, Rogaland. I have not been able to find them in the 1865 cencus. Could they have left for America before 1865 ?Andreas parents were not married. He father, Knut Olsen Bogevollstuen, moved from Meldal in 1844, but the churchbook does not say whereto. I do not know more about him, I have not found him in the 1865 cencus. (I find a man with the same name, born in Meldal, in Mo, Nordland, but he is born about 1812, and Knut Olsen Bogevollstuen is born 1815). Andreas mother, Ragnhild Nilsdt., married Mikkel Sivertsen Brandsnes, (living at Aamodt, Meldal) in 1856 and got three more children as I know. Johanna, born 1855, Anne, born 1859 and Sivert born 1863.Here is Lars Larsen and his daughter Anne:Lenke I will check more later, just now I need some sleep.Best regards Inger

[Gjest Kathy Bergan Schmidt]

Could this be Andreas/Andrew in the 1865 census? Lenke And could the Berit listed below him be his second wife?

[Gjest Inger Bjørnaas]

Yes, I think it must be them. Berit Olsdatter came from Hoelsrabben, and it was very likely that she worked at the Hoel farm. Andreas first wife lived at Gorsetmælen in 1865, together with her parents.Best regards Inger