[#21806] Osmund Johnson Øvsteland, Lyngdal og Maren Jonsdtr., Kristiansand til Haugesund

[Gjest Anders J. Moen]

Osmund Johnson Øvsteland, var født i Lyngdal 10.02.1811 og var gift Maren Jonsdtr. f. ca. 1806 i Kristiansand. De flyttet til Haugesund der Osmund var bødtker og fikk ihvertfall 3 barn der. Kjenner noen til Maren Johnsdtr. og hennes opphav

[Gjest Geir Eide]

Osmund og Maren (Marta ? ) bodde midt på 1840- tallet i Kopervik . De flyttet til Torvastad i 1850. Dette i følge bygdebok for Karmøy, Stangeland og Kopervik av Arnvid Lillehammer. I følge den samme kilden var både Maren og Osmund fra Vanse.

[Gjest Geir Eide]

Når forfatteren av bygdeboken nevnt i forrige innlegg skriver at Maren og Osmund var fra Vanse, ser det ut som han har brukt innflyttede til Kopervik som kilde;- at de er innflyttet fra Vanse. Det er nok mer troverdig det som ft 1865 og 1875 oppgir når det gjelder fødested.Det ser ut som Familysearch (FS) har registrert vielsen til Osmund og Maren i Lyngdal 1838. Men her er Maren ført med fornavnet Marta. Kilden jeg nevnte i forrige innlegg har tilført 'Marta ? ' etter navnet hennes. Jeg vet ikke av hvilken grunn.

[Gjest Anders J. Moen]

Hvor er Vanse?

[Gjest Knut Fjogstad]

Du finner det herhttp://museumsnett.no/listamuseum/lmnorsk/kart.htmMvh Knut

[Gjest Harald Storaker]

Bygdebok for Lyngdal I, side 248:Osmund, f. 1811, sønn til Anne Finkelsdatter Øvsteland (1776-1853) og Jon Omundsen Dragland (1778-1858). Osmund blei 1838 gift med Maren Jondtr., f. ca 1807, fra Flekkefjord. De drog i 1839 til Vanse for å lottbruke jord der.Den eldste sønnen deres Jan Jørgen, er født i Vanse. Vanse er prestegjeld er det same som Lista, nå i Farsund kommune.

[Gjest Anders J. Moen]

Takker så mye for svar! Jeg må skaffe meg bøkene fra Lyngdal, men Maren Jonsdtr. fra Flekkefjord? I folketellingen fra 1865 Lenke sies det at hun er fra Kristiansand. Vet noen av dere mer om dette?

[Gjest Gisle Hersvik]

Er det nokon som har funne denne Marthe Johnsdtr, 31 år i 1838:Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Lyngdal, Ministerialbok nr. A 8 (1837-1852), Ekteviede 1838, side 144.Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=925&idx_id=925&uid=ny&idx_side=-143>LenkePermanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Anders J. Moen]

Jeg er usikker, men jeg har en kandidat:Maren Jonsdtr. Kimestad født 04.11.1807 døpt 08.11.1807 i Kristiansand.

[Gjest Jan H. Trelsgård]

I kirkeboken som det refereres til i innlegg 8) står det at hun ble vaksinert '23 Marts 18 af Petersen i Xsand'. Det skulle jo tyde på at fødestedet er Kristiansand og ikke Flekkefjord som oppgitt i bygdeboken.Hun hadde dessuten medbrakt attest fra 'v d Lippe' som vel er identisk med prost og senere biskop Jacob von der Lippe i Kristiansand.

[Gjest Byrom Thorgeson Wehner]

Osmund Johnsen Øvsteland was the brother of my third great-grandfather Finkel Tobias Johnsen. I have been researching the family in the Digital Archives and elsewhere on the Internet. As I read very little Norwegian, perhaps someone can tell me what the discussion is about. Thank you!

[Gjest Harald Storaker]

The question is from where came the wife of Osmund, Maren (Marte?) Johnsdatter, born ca 1807? Lyngdal I bygdebok page 248 says she came from Flekkefjord, but 1865 census [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=3&filnamn=f61106&gardpostnr=274&personpostnr=3156>Lenke and church book information wedding 18/10 1838 Lenke indicate that she was from Kristiansand. Her name by wedding was Marte Johnsdatter.LDS IGI has Maren Johnsdatter Kimestad born 1807 Lenke. Parents wedding 1805: Lenke Jon Tronsen from Kimestad in Søgne Lenke and Siri Aanensdatter Berge from Kristiansand LenkeIf her name by baptism was Marte, LDS IGI has another candidate: Lenke Her parents were Jon Aanensen Grødum and Antonette Taraldsdatter Tveit Lenke

[Gjest Byrom Thorgeson Wehner]

Thank you, Harald, for the 'translation.' It is comforting to know that my Norwegian bretheren have as much trouble as I have had sorting out all of the information!The 1875 census for Haugesand, Rogaland, has Maren Johnsdatter, born Christiansand 1807, and wife of Osmund Johnsen. (I don't yet know how to include the links in my message.)If Maren/Marthe's father were not named John in both IGI cases you cite and the birth dates were not both in 1807, it would be much easier. The marriage register only has 'dau. of John.' and does not show a birthplace for Marthe. Based upon the census and marriage evidence, I believe that Maren and Marthe are names for the same person. But I would not guess as to which IGI person is the same at this point in time.It would prabably also be interesting to know if anyone in this debate forum could be a relative of mine.

[Gjest Harald Storaker]

Well, we are all relatives, - - Siri Anstensdatter Saudland, daughter of Ansten Jonson Saudland (1578-1666), was 8x-great grandmother of my wife. Siri was also 2x-great grandmother of your Finkel Tobias Johnsen Øvsteland -

[Gjest Anders J. Moen]

Osmund Johnson Øvsteland and Maren Johnsdtr. are my 3X-grandparents.

[Gjest Byrom Thorgeson Wehner]

All I can say to both Harald and Anders is 'small world, and thank you for the additional family information!'Grete Severine Tobine Finkelsdatter, daughter of Finkel Tobias Johnson Øvsteland, married Gunder Torjusen Hardeberg (Landvik, Aust-Agder). After Grete died, Gunder Torjusen joined their son Theodor Andreas (my great-grandfather) for Theodor's required year of service. Gunder was a ship's carpenter and Theodor was a seaman. When the year was up, they found themselves in New Orleans, Louisiana, USA, and decided to stay in the USA. I have been told that when a Norwegian seaman's required service was up, he could get off the ship at the port he was in, if he wanted to.Gunder changed his family name to Thorguson, and Theodor changed his to Thorgeson. The rest of Gunder's chldren later emigrated from Norway to the USA, along with Gunder's widowed sister-in-law (and Grete's sister) Fredrikke Elisabet Finkelsdatter. As far as I now know, all of my other Norwegian relatives stayed in Norway.

[Gjest Byrom Thorgeson Wehner]

Harald, I greatly need your help with understanding a related Vest-Agder posting to which you responded. It is Nr. 24605: Drange, Herad, VA, FT1900: Foreldre til Julie, f. 1859 (g. Kolbein Olsen, f. 18). I added a follow-up posting as follows, to which no one has responded:The persons in this discussion were my cousins through my fourth great-grandfather John Omundsen. He was the father of Gunhild Tonette Johnsdatter, who married Rasmus Tobias Tollaksen. They were the parents of Jacob Rasmussen. I have been researching the family in the Digital Archives and elsewhere on the Internet. As I read very little Norwegian, perhaps someone can tell me what the discussion is about. Thank you!I have no ready access to anyone who can translate Norwegian to English. I use several on-line resources to translate words and can now recognize many from my research in the Digital Archives, but putting them together in meaningful sentences is not easy. An on-line translator Internet site which I use does not have a good understanding of complete sentences in Norwegian!

[Gjest Byrom Thorgeson Wehner]

Harald, I received a response and no longer need your help with the posting I mentioned.