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[#27596] Carl Ludvig Kaltenborns etterkommere i Chicago

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Guest Dag T. Hoelseth

Olav V. Landsverk utga sent i 2004 boken 'Kaltenborn: røtter og grener' (Kolofon forlag), som bl.a. oppdaterer genealogien frem til i dag. Forrige slektsoversikt var ved Frants Faye Kaltenborn i 1964. Landsverk har etter min mening gjort en kjempejobb med oppdateringen (i tillegg til å jobbe mer med den eldre delen av slekten), men har ikke kommet noe videre med Carl Ludvig Kaltenborns etterkommere i Chicago.Denne Carl Ludvig Kaltenborn (norsk linje I) var f. 11. september 1850 og utvandret til USA hvor han slo seg ned i Chicago som kjøpmann. Han hadde 2 sønner, Carl Gustav Kaltenborn og Alfred Theodor Kaltenborn 'er begge døde i løpet av de siste 4-5 år' (Kaltenborn:1964, s. 27).Ifølge Landsverk:2004, s. 33, var Carl Ludvig Kaltenborn (11.09.1850-24.01.1920*) gift med Betty Anderson (f. Søderup 22.03.1848) og hadde altså sønnene Carl Gustav Kaltenborn (f. 09.09.1883), g. Julia Wallenborn; og Alfred Theodor Kaltenborn, f. 06.07.1886.*Kaltenborn:1964 angir 1930 som dødsår.Er det mulig å komme videre her? Det må da være spor etter dem? Det må legges til at det også finnes Kaltenborn-etterkommere fra den prøyssiske delen av slekten, deriblant radiopioneren Hans von Kaltenborn (f. 1878).Dag T. Hoelseth

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Guest Jon Torp

I 1930 er carl G. Kaltenborn gift i Chicago - han er 47 år gift som 25 åring. Conductor, Steam Railroads, pullman cars. Hans far er fra Norge - mor fra Sverige. Kona er Julia, 42 år. Gift som 21 åring. Hennes foreldre fra Illinois. Barn: Carl L. Kaltenborn 20år (Passenger agent - Steam Railroad) og Shirley 4år og 6 måneder. Begge barna født i Illinois.

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Guest Jon Torp

I 1920 er Carl policeman, railroad og gift med Julia i Chicago. Han er 36 - hun er 31. De har sønnen Carl L. 10 år. Sammen med dem bor Julias mor: enken Kate Wallenborn. 72 år - født i Tyskland - hun innvandret 1855.

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Guest Jon Torp

I census 1900 bor 'gamle' Carl L. og Kona Betsie i Chicago. Han er 49 år - hun er 52 år. Hun har født 2 barn som begge er i live og bosatt sammen med dem: Carl L. f. sep. 1883 og Alfred Th. f. Jun 1886.

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Guest Jon Torp

Her er nok den eldste sønnen til Carl og Julia:Name: Carl I. KaltenbornSSN: 717-03-9901Born: 11 Jun 1909Died: 23 Nov 1995State (Year) SSN issued: Railroad Board (Issued Through) (Before 1951 )

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Guest Jon Torp

Name: Carl L KaltenbornBirth Date: 11 Jun 1909Death Date: 23 Nov 1995Veteran Service Start Date: 12 Jan 1942Veteran Service End Date: 21 Oct 1945Rank: SGTBranch: US ArmyLast known address: 23029 North Cave Creek Road Phoenix, AZ 85024Interment Date: 6 Dec 1995Cemetary: National Memorial Cemetery of ArizonaBuried At: Section 18d Site 3457Cemetary URL: http://www.cem.va.gov/nchp/nmca.htm

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Guest Jon Torp

Illinois Statewide Death Index, 1916–1950Sier:KALTENBORN BETTY 1928-04-06 COOK CHICAGO 28-04-07KALTENBORN CARL LUDWIG 1921-01-24 COOK CHICAGO

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Guest Dag T. Hoelseth

Du verden! En halvtimes pause fra datamaskinen, og hva er det jeg ser! Det er synd at forfatteren aldri fikk med seg dette, men det er vel umulig å få fulgt opp alle linjer når man gir seg ikast med et så stort prosjekt som dette. Er Alfreds linje å finne, montro?DTH

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Guest Jon Torp

Beklager, finner ikke snurten av Alfred. Kanskje nekrologen til Betty fra avisa 1928 kan gi oss et svar på hvor han er da. Det kan øke sjansen for å finne han i 1930. Mulig han har gjemt seg bak noen feilstavinger fra de som har digitalisert 1930-tellinga.

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Guest Roger Thauland

Perhaps someone would put the key info into English; i could do the 2 lookups(in the next week); i have an obit for Carl G (Julia) and others; will email if given an address. Roger.

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Guest Dag T. Hoelseth

A summary for Mr. Roger Thauland from Lindenhurst:Carl Ludvig Kaltenborn was born on 11 September 1850 as the sixth (out of 8) child of Carl Fredrik Gustav Kaltenborn (1810-1892) by his wife Ulrikke Elisabeth Kloed (1815-1866). The family is listed in the 1865 census living at Heggerud in Søndre Frøen, Kristians amt (today's Oppland county)LenkeI can't find Carl Ludvig right now, but that is not that important. He emigrated to the United States where he settled down in Chicago as a merchant (storekeeper). He was married to a Betty Anderson (b. 22 March 1848 in Søderup) and they had two sons: 1. Carl Gustaf Kaltenborn, b. 9 September 1883; m. Julia Wallenborn (German-born) 2. Alfred Theodor Kaltenborn, b. 6 July 1886 Both were dead 4-5 years before the Frantz Kaltenborn's work on the family was published in 1964. Landsverk: 2004, p. 120, says that Carl Ludvig died on 24 January 1920, while Jon Torp has found a source telling that Carl Ludwig died in 1921 (same date), while his wife Betty died on 6 April 1928. Both are registered in Cook county (cf. the Illinois Statewide Death Index 1916-1950).Son no. 1 Carl G. Kaltenborn is in 1930 listed as being married in Chicago. He is 47 years old and was married at 25. Conductor, Steam Railroads, pullman cars. His wife was Julia, 42 years old, 21 years old when they married. Her parents are from Illinois. Children: Carl L. Kaltenborn 20 years old (passenger agent - Steam Railroad) and Shirley 4 years old. Both children are born in Illinois.In 1920 Carl (Gustav) is working as a policeman and is married to Julian in Chicago. He is 36, she is 31. They have the son Carl L. 10 years old. They live together with Julia's mother, the widow Kate Wallenborn, 72 years old. She was born in (what is today referred to as) Germany and emigrated to the US in 1855.In the census 1900 'old Carl Ludvig and his wife Betsie live in Chicago. He is 49 years old, she is 52. She has born 2 children who both are alive and living together with them. Carl L. b. sep. 1883 and Alfred Th. b. June 1886.Furthermore, Jon Torp has found the oldest son of Carl Gustav and Julia: - Carl I. (sp?) Kaltenborn, SSN 717-03-9901, b. 11 June 1909, d. 23 Nov 1995. Messages 6 and 7 are self-explanatory.If you have the obit for Carl G. (Julia), you can reach me at dagtho@yahoo.com .Thanks in advance!Dag T. Hoelseth

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Guest Roger Thauland

I am sending some now..Signe/Harriet might be related..i am not yet sure..Roger.

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Guest Jon Torp

Dag and RogerAny information in the obits?Please let us know!Jon

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Guest Dag T. Hoelseth

Her er nekrologene Roger Thauland har vært så snill å frembringe:Paper: Chicago Tribune (IL) Deceased: Date: 1964 03, 08Julia A. Kaltenborn, nee Wallenborn, beloved wife of the late Carl G.; loving mother of Carl L. and Shirley Kalin; dear grandmother of Heather Kalin. Member of Ladies Auxiliary North Shore Aerie, No. 2008, for 15 years. Funeral Tuesday, 9:30 a.m., from DeVriendt Funeral Home, 2708 N. Western avenue, to Our Lady of Lourdes church. Mass 10 a.m. HU 6-1716.Paper: Chicago Tribune (IL) Deceased: Date: 1961 12, 27Carl G. Kaltenborn, beloved husband of Julia, nee Wallenborn; loving father of Carl L. and Shirley Kalin; fond grandfather of Heather, Kalin; brother of the late Ottie. Funeral Thursday, 1:30 p.m., at DeVriendt Funeral Home, 2708 N. Western avenue. Interment Mount Olive. Member of North Shore Aerie, No. 2008, F. O. E. HU 6-1716.Roger har også sendt nekrologen til bl.a. Signe Kaltenborn Hanson, søster til Harriet Kaltenborn:Paper: Chicago Tribune (IL) Deceased: Date: 1958 01, 02--Signe Kaltenborn [Hanson] of 2413 Central street, Evanston, widow of Ellef H. Hanson; mother of Mrs. Evelyn Pike; grandmother of Louise Arlene and Daniel Lee Pike; sister of Harriet Kaltenborn. Services Friday, 11:30 a.m., at chapel, 1460 Sherman avenue, Evanston. Interment Memorial Park. UNiversity 4-7250.Ifølge Kaltenborn: 1964 så var Signe Theodora Kaltenborn (f. 1889) gift med arkitekt Edor von Krogh-Hanson (1883-1944) i Evanstone. Harriet endte opp i Pittsburg der hun var gift med Freddy Kolstad (2 sønner, som ikke navngis her pga. forumets regler). Signe og Harriet tilhørte begge den norske linje I, samme linje som Carl Ludvig. Sistnevnte var onkel til søstrene.Dag T. Hoelseth

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Guest Dag T. Hoelseth

To Roger Thauland. Yes, the sisters Signe and Harriet are related to Carl Ludvig Kaltenborn - he was their uncle. Thanks a lot for the obituaries. You also sent an obituary from 2004 regarding the husband of Shirley Kalin (?), but he was not named in the e-mail. Shirley cannot be discussed in this forum because of the rules Digitalarkivet has set.DTH

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Guest Jon Torp

Da fikk vi jo endelig navnet på Arthur Theodore Kaltenborn, som altså rett og slett kalte seg Ottie Kaltenborn. Hvem skulle vel ha gjetta det?Ottie Kaltenborn er i census 15. januar 1920 i nr. 544 Cora Street i Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, Allegheny county, han er 33 år, født i Illinois av norske foreldre. Såvidt jeg kan se driver han som Auto auctionier (bil-auksjoner). Hans javngamle kone er Elanor M. Født i West Virginia. Den eldste datteren Ruth S. er 6 år, født i Illinois. Den yngste er 10 måneder gamle Mary E. født i Pennsylvania.

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Guest Jon Torp

Florida Death Index, 1936-1998Name: Ottie KaltenbornDeath Date: May 1957County of Death: DadeState of Death: FloridaRace: WhiteGender: Male

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Guest Roger Thauland

The IL birth fiche reports Karl, born jun 11 1909; Ruth N. born oct 1 1913; and Virginia M. born april 23 1912, i wonder who she is--so i have ordered film for all 3, will arrive in a few weeks. Will email a few d/c's shortly. Roger.

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Guest Dag T. Hoelseth

To Roger Thauland: Well, it beats me (who Virginia M. is, I mean). But lots to work on now, though - thanks again for your assistance.DTH

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Guest Roger Thauland

The 1909 Karl was child #1, per the b/c. Virginia May was Alfred's first. Ottie is Alfred, no doubt. His wife was from WV. I will email the b/c of Ruth Neville, #2 for Alfred. Neville is the mothers maiden name, and an Ida Neville of Macomb, IL is a relative. Roger.

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Guest Olav V. Landsverk

Er akkurat blitt oppmerksom på dette fortreffelige forumet.Hjertelig takk for bidragene! Har et par Kaltenborn-gåter,som jeg kommer tibake til.

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