[#39428] Origin of the name SCHIOLLER/SCHIØLLER

[Gjest Moira Bue]

I came across the name SCHIOLLER while researching family in Rakkestad, Østfold. I have tried unsuccessfully to find the origins of the name but I was intrigued because of it not being a patronymic and being used as both first and last name. I thought it might be of Swedish/Danish origin but 'Googling' has returned nothing useful. thanks moira

[Gjest Oddbjørn Johannessen]

The origin is perhaps Danish. Some of the Schiøllers were connected to to the early Norwegian iron industry. Here is a link to a Schiøller-debate: Lenke.

[Gjest Kai Werner Østreng]

I fear the link in message (2) above may lead you on a real goose chase as none of the persons mentioned are connected to the interior part of Østfold (as far as I can recollect)I have several Schiøller, Skjøller, and Skjøllersen in my family from your area in Indre Østfold from the southern part of Eidsberg close to Rakkestad. (All of these seem to have been patronymic.) We discussed the Schiøllers from this area in another Newsgroup some years ago and decided that some Skjøller Iglerud?? (born between 1600 and 1650) was about as far back as we could get - and may be one link too far. The last reliable link in my ancestry may be Peder Skjøllersen, born between 1650 and 1680, died before 1728.There is/was a farm in Rakkestad named Skjølerud, just North of Gjulem, called Schiølerud in 1723. (The name may be connected to the Norwegian name for sheltered place.)

[Gjest Oddbjørn Johannessen]

I didn't know the patronymic Skjøllersen from Indre Østfold, so i'm sorry if my link to the DIS-debate misled you.

[Gjest Moira Bue]

Yes, I think I made a mistake regarding the name not being used in its patronymic form. I had picked up an ancestral file which fitted into the family from the LDS site which can be tricky and which I know needs verificaton. However, I came across the name Seves Schioller which I'm sure now must be Schioller from the farm Sevis in Os, Rakkestad. I have made a habit of using both the patronymic and place name where possible although these were not normally used together so where the record does not give the father's name there is no tie except the farm. The name Schioller still intrigues me though. Thanks for the input, moira

[Gjest Fálk Liebezeit]

Hi,It might be a German nameGreetings -Hei,Det kan være et tysk navn,Schelle (bjelle) er et musikkinstrument, han som slår den er en Scheller eller Schöller, (Konrad Kunze, dtv-Atlas Namenkunde, Vor- und Familiennamen im deutschen Sprachgebiet, München 1998, ISBN 3-423-03234-0) Schöller iskrem er godr kjent her i landet

[Gjest Falk Liebezeit]

Hei igjen or hello,a little more thoroughly, litt grundigereScheller, Schöller et larmende menneske, mellomhøytysk schellen = larme, bråkea noisy person, Middle High German schellen = to make much noise, be noisyScheller, økenavn av smeden (Hans Bahlow, Deutsches Namenlexikon, Suhrkamp, Frankfurt 1972 og Horst Naumann, Familiennamenbuch, VEB V`Bibliographisches Institut Leiüzig, 1987)Scheller, nickname for the smith (makes small bells) (qu.: Hans Bahlow, German names dictionary; Horst Naumann, family name dictionary)Schelle, oldhøytysk fuozscal = fotlenke, ringformet klemmeredskap for å feste rør, kabel, slanger osv. Den enkleste utgave er en åpen ring, hvis bøyete forlenging er blitt gennomboret. Med skrue og muttern i borehullet blir lenken/bolten åpnet eller lukket tillsvarende den ønskete spenningenSchelle, Old High German fuozscal = foot cuffs, clamp, clipSchelle, oldhøytysk scella, liten bjelle a small bell or chime En Schöller kann like godt være smeden som fremstiller disse bjellene av blikk med innesluttet skrallekropp eller klokkekolv(Brockhaus Enzyklopädie in 24 Bänden, 19. Auflage, F. A. Brockhaus, Mannheim, 1992)A Schöller may as well be someone who produces these small bells/chimes as the musician who uses them (Brockhaus encyclopaedia, 1992)Navnet finnes/fantesThe name is/was found (også/also spelt/skrevet Schoeller)Wien (1926) 55 Wien (2006) 27 (funnet/found hos/at www.herold.at) München (1929) 22 München (2000) 49 (Schöller og/and Schoeller) Stuttgart (1929/1940) 40 Stuttgart (2000) 32 Pforzheim (1928) 5 Pforzheim (2000) 5 Schweinfurt (1931) 4 Schweinfurt (2000) 4 Nürnberg (1928) 19 Nürnberg (2000) 20 (med/with Schöller iskremfabrikk/icecream manufactory) Frankfurt/Main (1929) 11 Frankfurt/Main (2000) 9 Köln (1927) 7 Köln (2000) 37 Essen/Ruhr (1926) 10 Essen/Ruhr (2000) 10 Düsseldorf (1928) 16 Düsseldorf (2000) 7 Elberfeld (1932) 7 Elberfeld (2000) 2 Barmen (1927) 9 Barmen (2000) 1 Duisburg (1931) 6 Duisburg (2000) 4 Breslau (1927) 4 Breslau 2006 found none/funnet ingen, men de kan skrive det anderledes nå (other spelling in Polish ? in Wroclaw) Berlin (1928) 16 Berlin (2000) 16 Hamburg (1928) 5 Hamburg (2000) 20(Josef Karlmann Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Lexikon der Deutschen Familiennamen, C. A. Starke Verlag, Limburg/Lahn 1957-1963, Etymologisk leksikon av tyske familienavn Etymological dictionary of German family names) the first entry is from the city directory of the quoted year, de første tallet er fra innbyggerfortegnelsen i det oppførte året,year 2000 names according to Digitale Telefonauskunft für Deutschland antall i 2000 tatt fra den digitale telefon CDen

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

I think the information provided by Falk Liebezeit explains the origin of the surname Schøller. But I'm not sure that the first name Skjøller has the same origin.There were some persons with the first name Skjøller in Vestfold in the 17th century, at least in the parish of Andebu.Is it possible that the first name Skjøller is related to the name Skjelvor (as spelled by the author Odd Arne Helleberg)? Alternative spellings are Skjellord, Skiellor, Skielder, Skellord etc.

[Gjest Petter Langeland]

I følge Norsk personnamnleksikon kommer Skjølle trolig fra Skjoldulv (skjold og ulv). Også Skjøllov, Skjelluv og trolig også Skjøller i Østfold. Skjølle står også nær Skjalde.

[Gjest Moira Bue]

Thank you everyone for the input. I have been slowly following up on each contribution and am very grateful for your assistance. The German origin seems very likely, I suppose Østfold was extremely handy for the influx of Germans into Norway following the Black Death where I suppose there were many deserted farms just for the taking. I am still processing the latter entries but wanted to thank everyone, moira