[#59653] Families Olsen Ellersen

[Gjest Anna-Lisa Nixon]

Just a big thankyou to all who are helping me find info on my family. Less than 2 months ago all I had was the name of my Grandmother Frida and I guessed her maiden name.I am happy to receive any info on my family you may find I just dont want to impose on anyone of you but it is very difficult for me to even know where to start looking. When I see all the people who are looking for family all over the world I am blessed with all the info you have given me. A mere Thankyou to all who have helped seems so little but Thankyou anyway. If I can help with anything in Australia for anyone of you please ask. Thanks again Anna

[Gjest Anna-Lisa Nixon]

I do have a Query as to what or where did Frida Olsen Leave Norway for England. As this was a second marriage to my Grandfather I was wondering if she married her first husband in Norway. His name is Harold Johan Jensen and cannot find any info on him in England,so maybe he married her in Norway. I have no dates as to this as I only found out about it when I got her marriage cert. to my Grandfather. Maybe if we know when she left Norway we might have better luck.Just seems an endless lot of loose ends which shows we should have all asked questions of our parents before they died. Anna

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

It's a pleasure to help when we find something and I'm sure that Ann-Mary agrees with me as she also helps a lot of people here, she is a real Sherlock Holmes when it comes to genealogy!As she/Frida lived in Oslo in 1900, she probably left from there. Do you have any idea of Harold Johan Jensen's age? I found one in Sarpsborg in 1900, but he was much younger than her so it can't be him. I guess his Norwegian name would have been Harald. Does the certificate say where they got married in England? I guess you don't know the name of her first husband?So would you like us to look further back in the Lillehammer and Moss areas too?

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Frida is here with her sister's family as Ann-Mary found above: LenkeIt means that she must have got married after this date and emigrated after 1900.Thgere are 143 female emigrants named Frida/Fryda who leave Oslo before 1930, but they all seem to have another destination than England. I'm not even sure that those who went to England would be in these records and none of them seem to be a widow.

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Kjellaug!Takk for det med 'Sherlock Holmes'! Har ikke så lang erfaring med slektsforskning,men man lærer stadig noe nytt. Og det er veldig givende når folk blir glad over det man kan greie å spore frem. Jeg skal gjerne hjelpe til videre også,men blir litt opptatt utover dagen. Morsomt om vi kunne ha funnet enda mer til Anna Lisa Nixon. Har lett etter emigrasjonen til Frida,men ikke funnet den enda.Kommer tilbake litt senere utpå dagen! Hilsen Ann-Mary

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Du er det fortjent-:)Vet du hvordan vi skal finne ut hvilken kirke Klostergaden i Oslo hører til? Det er mulig at vi finner Frida Olsens første ekteskap der. Hun skal først ha vært gift med en harol/Harald Johan Jensen. Navnet høres da norsk ut.

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Anna-Lisa: When did Frida arrive in Australia? Did she marry her second husband in England? What was his name?It'll be difficult to find these things without more information, I'm afraid.

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Kjellaug!Her er Klostergata nevnt: LenkeAnn-Mary

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Takk skal du ha Ann-Mary, da har jeg leita i Grønland, Petrus og Kampen uten å finne Rolf Fogh (f.1898). Han var jo den yngste av barna i 1900 og en skulle tro at dersom Frida bodde med dem, ville hun ha gifta seg i samme kirke.Men det skal jo ikke være enkelt!!

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Fant dåp på de av Mathilde og Michael Ingval's barn som ble født i Drammen.Angående Frida Olsen's søster ,Mathilde, som ble gift Michael Ingvald Fogh;Mathilde og Michael fikk første barnet Dagmar Elisabeth FØR de ble gift.Dagmar ble født 24 feb og døpt 15 juni 1884. Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Bragernes, Ministerialbok nr. II 6A (1878-1885), Fødte og døpte 1884, side 229. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1067&idx_id=1067&uid=ny&idx_side=-238>Lenke Permanent bildelenke: Lenke Alf Christian Henning,født 11 april,døpt 25 mai 1885: Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Bragernes, Ministerialbok nr. II 7 (1885-1893), Fødte og døpte 1885, side 1. Permanent sidelenke: Lenke Permanent bildelenke: LenkeChristine Augusta,født 7 nov,døpt 12 okt 1886: Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Bragernes, Ministerialbok nr. II 7 (1885-1893), Fødte og døpte 1886, side 48. Permanent sidelenke: Lenke Permanent bildelenke: Lenke NB! Family Search har her feil dåpsmåned,de sier at Christine Augusta ble døpt 12 DES.

[Gjest Anna-Lisa Nixon]

She lived in England until late 1950 after my Grandfather John Kemp passed away.They were married 26 Sept. 1914 In Tunbridge Wells England.Her father signed the wedding cert. so dont know if family was there or he just came to wedding She evidently went to Oslo and stayed with her sisterafter he died. She eventually passed away in 1963.She is buried in Oslo at the Vestre Gravlund field 67 row3 no. 15. This is all I have.

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

It means that she left Oslo some time between 1900 and 1913/14.I've tried to look for Harald/Harold Johan Jensen, but to no avail. There are a whole lot of Harald Jensen and as we don't know where he came from, it's almost an impossible task. Those that I find in Oslo, do not fit. I have looked up their birth and none of them is baptized with the middle name Johan. When your grandmother married, was she called Olsen or Jensen?As you can see above, Ann-Mary has found the church records for Mathilde's children born in Drammen. The firts child was born before they got married. As you will have seen (#32), they got married on December 7, 1884 in Drammen.We have yet to find the children baptized in Oslo, I've gone through several churchbook without success-:( To Ann-Mary, well done again-:)

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

So a little bit back in the past again. This must be Maren Christine Johannesdtrs (b. 1815) parents: married on December 8, 1804 in Moss (top of the page): Kildeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Moss, Ministerialbok nr. I 4 (1784-1808), Lysninger 1805, side 288-289. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7514&idx_id=7514&uid=ny&idx_side=-149>Lenke Permanent bildelenke: LenkeIt doesn't say where they come from. I only find one Johannes Johannessen in Moss in 1801, a 36 year old shoemaker: LenkeBut there's also a Johannes Johansen who is 16: Lenke His mother is a widow, Karen Iversdtr-KochThere's only one possible Anne Christophersdtr, she lives with her parents and she's 17 years old. Her father is Christopher Philipsen and her mother is Gunhild Erlandsdtr. So she must be the right woman since one of the witnesses was her father.

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

But who knows? Here they get a daughter in 1805, Johanne Elisabeth: [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500222460320&lds=1&region=12&regionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99>Lenke Another daughter in 1807, Gunhild Maria LenkeHer mother's name is Gunhild, so maybe the first daughter was called after her paternal grandmother.Then they get Maren Christine in 1815 and in 1818, they get Karen Anne: LenkeJohan Hartvig in 1820: LenkeSo here we have Karen and Johan called up again, which should point towards the second one.This could be his parents' marriage then:

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

N°3 here (April 7, April 15) is their first daughter Johanne Elisabeth: Kildeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Moss, Ministerialbok nr. I 4 (1784-1808), Fødte og døpte 1805, side 330-331. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7514&idx_id=7514&uid=ny&idx_side=-166>Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Alf christian Henning Fogh,gravlagt i Grorud kirkegård i Oslo.Gravlagt 17 juni 1987: Alf Kristian Henning Fogh 2105 1917 0906 1987 1706 1987 017 03 005 Takk for alt Bilde (PICTURE)av gravstein: Lenke Mvh Ann-Mary

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Alf Christian Henning Fogh,gravlagt i Grorud kirkegård i Oslo.Gravlagt 17 juni 1987: Alf Kristian Henning Fogh 2105 1917 0906 1987 1706 1987 017 03 005 Takk for alt Bilde (PICTURE)av gravstein: LenkeMvh Ann-Mary

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Hans Christian Ellevsen b. 1814:As shown above his parents were Ellev Hansen and Elisabeth Hansdtr. This is the only Ellev Hansen in the area in 1801, 26 year old and a worker who just rents a room there: LenkeI can't find any Elisabeth Hansdtr in the 1801 census from the area.I can't check in the churchbooks either as I do not find any at that time neither for Strøm nor for Svelvik.

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Kan dette være !vår' Dagmar Elisabeth,som ble født 24 feb 1884?(datter av Michael Ingvald Fogh)Har funnet en dame på Dis gravminner med navnet Dagmar Elisabeth Alfsen,født 24 feb 1884: 673198 Dagmar Elisabeth Alfsen 2402 1884 1705 1974 1406 1974 024 13 015 Vestre gravlund Oslo FagerborgAnn-Mary

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Det ville da være et temmelig stort sammentreff dersom det ikke var henne!I think it's the right Dagmar Elisabeth - name, birthyear, month and date correspond. It means that she must have married someone called Alfsen. On the other hand there are 34 Dagmar born in 1884 in Oslo in the 1900 census. Here is 'ours': Lenke

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Dette blir kanskje som et skudd i blinde?Har ikke funnet noen 'egnet' Harald Johan Jensen,men kom over denne Harald Johannes Jensen,født 1876,Drøbak. 2den Maskinist på skipet Michael Sars i 1900 tellingen LenkeAnn-Mary

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Nå vet vi hvem Alf Christian Henning Fogh var gift med!I gaven til Alf Kristian Henning Fogh ligger også hustru Fried Elisabeth Skjelle Fogh .Bildet av gravstenen til Alf Kristian Henning Fogh kom frem på hennes navn også,i Dis gravminner :1954969 Fried Elisabeth Skjelle Fogh 0606 1926 2304 1995 2804 1995 Navn mangler på stenen 017 03 005 Grorud kirkegård Oslo Grorud LenkeAnn-Mary

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Da var det henne jeg fant i innlegg 45, hun var altså inngift i familien. She is Alf Kristian's wife.

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Her kommer det jeg tror (ganske sikkert) er ektemannen til Dagmar Elisabeth (Fogh) Alfsen. Dagmar Elisabeth og denne Alf Christen Alfsen er de eneste med navnet Alfsen som er gravlagt ved Vestre Gravlund i Oslo:673197 Alf Christen Alfsen 0703 1884 3011 1969 2205 1970 024 13 015 Vestre gravlund Oslo Fagerborg Ann-Mary

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

OM Alf er Dagmars ektemann vet vi ikke helt sikkert før vielsen blir funnet,men jeg har sporet ham på tellingen i 1900.Han bodde i Smedegaden 3,Oslo,og var Volontør ved handelsforretning.Foreldrene var Ole Alfsen hf g Metaldreier ved mekanisk værksted 1845 Stange Julie Alfsen hm g Hustru 1849 Kristiania : LenkeAnn-Mary