[#60213] Vik -- Searching for marriage of Roland Guttormsen Tistel and Thorbjørg Jonsdtr

[Gjest Ingrid Seim]

Here is the parish register entry for their first child (second entry from the top of page 155)LenkeI have found Roland(at Tistel)and Thorbjørg(I assume she came from Midlang since 2 of her child's sponsers come from there, including her mother, Kari) in the 1801 census, so they were not married at that time. However, I haven't found an entry for their marriage. I also can't seem to find an entry for Thorbjørg's birth. Would someone please point me in the right direction?

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Hello Ingrid!Roland and Torbjørg. Roland was born 25 march 1778,and Torbjørg was born 1784. Marriage in 1803: LenkeAnn-Mary

[Gjest Ingrid Seim]

Hi, Ann-Mary.Thank you for that link, but the entries in FamilySearch are notoriously inaccurate. People often, when a marriage date cannot be documented, will estimate one by dating it to one year before the birth of the first child. That's what this looks like. I was just hoping to find documenation for this marriage so I could identify with certainty who they and their parents were.

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Roland Gutormsen,christening 25 mars 1778,Vik,Sogn og Fjordane. Roland's parents: Guttorm Olsen and Marthe Jonsdatter: Lenke Ann-Mary

[Gjest Else B. Rustad]

The baptism in the parish register:LenkeRight page.Else B.

[Gjest Tore Næss]

Ingrid, You are dismissing the entries in IGI, (2), but they appear to be as correct as one can verify. As you have found out from the 1801 census, Roland and Thorbjørg were not married in 1801, but when they christened their (first) child 18 Dec.-1804, they were married. This limits the search from 1801 to 1804, but for some reason their marriage is not recorded in the Vik parish records in that period. One hypothesis is that it may have to do with the fact that Thorbjørg was very young, (16 yrs in 1801), and that they needed a special license to be married. Vik was under Bergen both within the church and the public administration, so they may have been married there?When Thorbjørg was listed as 16 yrs in 1801, it could also mean that she was in her 16th year, i. e. not yet had her 16th birthday. That would indicate the birth years 1784-1785. Unfortunately the parish records for Vik for these years are not complete. Christenings end in 1783 and resume in 1787. No record of Thorbjørg can be found.A secondary source is supporting the IGI data, (could be the source for the IGI data). The local history for Vik, (Bygdebok for Vik by Olav Hoprekstad 1958, Vol III, p. 590), says in my translation: “Roland Gutormsen Tistel was born in 1778 and married Torbjørg Jonsdatter Midlang in 1803. … Roland Tistel died in 1847 and his wife in 1858. They had 5 children that we know about: -Gutorm who was married to Brita Ellingsdotter Fyli, they went to America in 1843. -Ola who was married to Ragnhild Olsdotter Dale, they went to America in 1843 together with Gutorm and Brita. -Endre, he went to America 10 years later in 1853. -Jon was born in 1817 and stayed at the farm for some time. He married Marta Olsdotter Kvam in 1864. -Marta who was married to Botolv Jonson espesete, he was a widower when he went to America in the 1870s, but their children had probably gone before.”Roland Gutormson Tistel was according to the same source p. 590, son of Gutorm Olson Stadheim (1744-1811) and Marta Jonsdotter Espesete (-1825).On page 618 – Midlang the same source says “Kari Hermundsdotter Midlang’s first husband died in 1783. She was married for the second time to Jon Olson Øvstedal. They had one daughter Thorbjørg.” This is consistent with the census data and that Thorbjørg was born 1784-1785.Regards Tore

[Gjest Jon Sværen]

Tore: Du visar til Bygeboka for 1958. Sidan då er 5 Hefter sendt ut frå Vik Lokalhistoriske Arkiv frå 2002 til 2006. 3 hefter om Slekta i Vik , ei frå Arnafjorden og ei frå Vangsnes, forfatta av: Gudmund Balvoll (GB).På Hefte nr 1, s. 56 til s. 57 finn Ingrid og dei andre mykje om denne slekta.Her er EIN KLADD - KUN EIN KLADD - FRÅ EIN NYARE VERSJON, som GB har skreve !Roland Nilsson Tistel (1750–1774) & 1771 Marta Jondtr Espesete (1751–1825) frå lnr 93 fekk borna: Nils 1772 (lnr 92 Tistel) og Guttorm 1774 (Vikøyri v254). Marta gifte seg på nytt 1775 med Guttorm Olason Stadheim (1747–1811) frå lnr 32 og dei fekk: Marta 1776 (lnr 107 Tryti), Roland 1778, Ola 1780 (lnr 82 Hønsi), Jon 1783 (sjå fotnote lnr 82 Hønsi), Arne 1786 (på Tistel i 1801, døydde truleg før 1815), Endre 1788–88, Endre 1790 (var med i krigen 1809–15, men blir borte), Anna 1792–92, Botolv 1794 (lnr 91b Tistel). Roland Guttormson Tistel (1778–1847) & 1803 Torborg Jondtr Midlang (1784–1858) frå lnr 100 fekk borna: Kari 1804 (lnr 98 Midlang), Guttorm 1808 (sjå fotnote lnr 20 Føli), Brita 1811 (lnr 11a Seim), Anna 1814–18, Jon 1817, Ivar 1819, Ola 1820 (sjå fotnote), Marta 1825 (lnr 93 Espesete) og Endre 1828 (USA 1846). Roland må ha vore velståande, for i 1804 hadde han lånt 50 rdl til Ingebrigt Olason Skjørvo på lnr 111. Men etter fleire krav hadde Roland i 1809 framleis ikkje fått pengane tilbake. Då vart det i forliksrådet truga med utpanting. I 1811 vart bruket frådelt Nærrebøen og i 1817 Neset til Nils Rolandson Tistel (1772–1826), ein halvbror til Roland 1778.Å oversetja til engelsk må væra andre si oppgåva.

[Gjest Tore Næss]

Ingrid, (7) above is a transcript from a newer version of the local history. Although it has some more details, it basically confirms the relationships and the dates you were asking initially. Torborg or Torbjørg was born in 1784 and she married Roland Guttormson in 1803.Tore