[#60948] Tracing family in Ibestad, Troms.

[Gjest Rob Hansen]

Hi,My great grandfather was Magnus Bertin Hansen born 1874 on Bredvold farm, Ibestad, his father was Hans O. Mikkelsen also born in Ibesetad - How do I go about finding earlier family members through the 18th century and prior to that??Also my grandfather Harald Waldemar Hansen (born 1904)spent a lot of time in Tromso as a boy How do I go about finding out more information on him??

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

I suppose this is Magnus in 1900: [url="http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=f01917&gardpostnr=647&personpostnr=4158#nedre>LenkeHis mother was Erika Maria Pedersdtr according to copy from churchbooks on FS: LenkeIt's impossible to get the churchbooks to open this morning.Here they are in the 1900 census: LenkeA son Jens, his wife, Kristine and two grandchildren (Dagmar and Hulda) are also mentioned.The same family in the 1875 census with several children: LenkeAnd here in the 1865 census: LenkeHans Olai and Erika Maria got married on Nov 20, 1857 (copy from churchbook) LenkeWhen the churchbooks are available again, you can find their births and thus their parents or someone may have 'bygdebooks' from Ibestad.I think this Michael Hansen on Bredvold in 1801 is your forefather too, he is not yet married:

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

More on FS, which should be checked once the churchbooks are 'up' again: [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/VR/individual_record.asp?recid=28579211&lds=4&region=12&regionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99>LenkeHere you've got his mother too:

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Erika Maria born in 1832: Kildeinformasjon: Troms fylke, Ibestad, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1825-1836), Fødte og døpte 1833, side 76. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9660&idx_id=9660&uid=ny&idx_side=-47>Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Here is their marriage: Kildeinformasjon: Troms fylke, Ibestad, Ministerialbok nr. 8 (1850-1859), Ekteviede 1857, side 368. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2886&idx_id=2886&uid=ny&idx_side=-228>Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Hans Olai was born in 1829: Kildeinformasjon: Troms fylke, Ibestad, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1825-1836), Fødte og døpte 1829, side 55. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9660&idx_id=9660&uid=ny&idx_side=-26>Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Hasn Olai parents' marriage in 1814 (top right-hand page): Kildeinformasjon: Troms fylke, Ibestad, Ministerialbok nr. 4 (1801-1824), Ekteviede 1815, side 232. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9659&idx_id=9659&uid=ny&idx_side=-207>Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Anna Catharina Christensdtr Bredvold in 1801, 14 years old. Her mother is a widow: Lenke

[Gjest Odd Tjade]

Earlier family members of Magnus Bertin Hansen, borne 1874 on Breivoll, according to information given in Astafjord bygdebok, vol 1-4, 1992 G1 - Parents2 Hans Olai Mikkelsen Rasch (1829-1913) Breivoll3 Erika Maria Pedersd. Breivoll (1832-1915) G24 Mikkel Rask Hansen (1777-1846) Breivoll5 Anna Katarina Kristiansd. (1788-1857)6 Peder Olsen (177-1840) Renså7 Lava Kirstina Olsd. (1788-1847) G38 Hans Olsen Ærbo Bagge (1736-1810) Breivoll9 Anna Hansd. Rasch (1734-1800)10 Kristian Sivertsen (1747-1798) Breivoll11 Anne Danielsd. (1744-1827)12 Ole Pedersen (1743-1781) Fugleberg13 Engel Jensd. (1745-1822)14 Ole Hansen (1758-1840) Stræte15 Berit Maria Rasmusd. (1763-), no parents mentioned G416 Ole Nilssen Ærbo (1686-1772)17 Barbro Halvorsd. (1709-1776), no parents mentioned18 Hans Tomassen Rasch(1704-1786)19 Synnøve Torstensd. (1715-1761)20 Sivert Sivertsen (1710-1779) Breivoll, no parents mentioned21 Silla Jensd. (1713-1776), no parents mentioned22 Daniel Baltersen (1711-1799) Skog23 Karen Hansd. (1719-1786), no parents mentioned24 Peder Olsen (1719-), no parents mentioned25 Aette Pedersd. (1709-1778), no parents mentioned26 Jens Kristensen (1711-1782) Selset, no parents mentioned27 Anna Maria Olsd. Trane (1710-1782)28 Hans Olsen (1721-1780) Forså, no parents mentioned29 Olava Ediasd. (1734-) G532 Nils Jensen Breivoll, no parents mentioned33 Karen Olsd., no parents mentioned36 Tomas Mikkelsen (-1734) Djupvik, no parents mentioned37 Maren Nilsd. Rask, no parents mentioned38 Torsten Olsen Miklevoll, no parents mentioned39 Kristense Olsd. (1686-1738), no parents mentioned44 Baltser Kristensen (-1725) Skog45 Benedigte Jørgensd. (1685-1768)54 Ole Jakobsen (1673-1752) Selset55 Anne Maria Jensd. Trane, no parents mentioned58 Edias Olsen (1709-1771) Forså, no parents mentioned59 Maren Olsd. Trane *(1699-1787) G690 Jørgen Olsen (1652-1710) Storskog, no parents mentioned108 Jakob Olsen (1642-) Bolla, no parents mentioned109 Maren Andersd., no parents mentioned118 Ole Jakobsen (1673-1752) Selset119 Anne Maria Jensd. Trane, no parents mentioned G7236 Jakob Olsen (1642-) Bolla, no parents mentioned237 Maren Andersd., no parents mentioned

[Gjest Rob Hansen]

Hi Kjellaug Robberstad PetitThankyou for your propmt response. Your reply is helpful in many ways , however, there are more questions..1) What are bydebooks and who might have these in their possession for Ibestad.2) Why is Magnus Bertrin shown as from Ofoten and Storskog in 1900 he can't be in two places at once.3) In point 4 you mention farm names. Can you let me know what you think they are ?? Do I need to get someone to physically look at the original??4) Harold Hansen is something of a mystery regarding his nationality. His father, Magnus Bertin worked on ships that regularly went to the UK and met his wife in Swansea, South Wales but Harold Hansen has no birth certificate here. How is it possible to trace journeys made by Magnus before and after he got married??

[Gjest Rob Hansen]

Hi Odd Tjade,Thankyou for your response which has also been helpful.Can I please ask how to get hold of the books from which you derive the information and also how have you grouped the information in generations - are the parents of Hans Olai Mikkelsen Rasch Mikkel Rask Hansen (1777-1846) Breivoll and Anna Katarina Kristiansd respectively and parents of Erika Maria Pedersd. Peder Olsen (177-1840) and Renså Lava Kirstina Olsd respectively. Finally is it possible to go back any further?

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

#10/2 - MB lived temporarily in Ofoten in 1900.If you can understand Norwegian, you'll be able to find out what sources are available for different regions in Norway: LenkeI hope someone will be able to help you with your other questions.

[Gjest Odd Tjade]

Hi Rob HansenThe number system is the ordernary one for listing ancestors. The father of a person has twice the number of that person, and the number of the mother pluss one. So the connections you mentioned between ancestors are right.It is possible to go back further. You may search for information about the families Trane and Rasch on the web and find some information, but it takes a lot of time to verify that the information is relyable. Information about other families is also possible to find. But it is not easy without contact persons in Norway who can help you.

[Gjest Rob Hansen]

Hi Odd Tjade,Thankyou for your message. I have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grand parents but 14great great grandparents, 12 ggg grandparents, 5 gggg grandparents, and 2ggggg grandparents for Magnus Bertin. Can I take it that the missing parents are unfindable??Also his son Harald Waldemar does't appear anywhere , as a birth, in records in the UK or Norway. Can you confirm that he must have been registered as a Norwegian citizen if he was born in Norway .Thankyou,Rob.