Iver Wold (1860) og Margaret Jorgenson (1859) - frå Trøndelag til Chicago - kven var dei?

[Lars E. Øyane]

Frå John King i Texas har eg motteke spørsmål om hjelp til å finna ut av denne huslyden som tydeleg har opphav frå Trøndelag, men eg finn ikkje noko ut om dei ved første freistnaden. Kanskje nokon kan hjelpa?

 

Iver Wold, fødd i "Trondhuin", Noreg 24.2.1860, ukjende foreldre

 

gifte seg med:

 

Margaret Jorgenson, fødd i Noreg 11.9.1859, foreldre Martin Jorgenson og Bereth Nelson.

 

Eg har ikkje fått opplyst noko om utvandringsår, men FT1900 og FT1920 syner utvandringsår 1882 for Iver og 1881 for Margaret, medan FT1910 syner 1881 for Iver og 1880 for Margaret.

 

Eg takkar so mykje på førehand for alle gode tips om denne huslyden!

 

Med venleg helsing,

 

Lars E. Øyane

[Ann-Mary Engum]

"Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947," Iver Wold, 1941

name: Iver Wold titles and terms (original): death date: 15 Dec 1941 death place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois gender: Male marital status: race or color: age: 81 estimated birth year: 1860 birth date: 24 Feb 1860 birthplace: Trundjien, Norway father: father's titles and terms (original): father's birth place: mother: mother's titles and terms (original): mother's birth place: occupation: Retired Machinist residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois street address: spouse: Margaret spouse's titles and terms (original): spouse's birthplace: burial date: 18 Dec 1941 burial place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois cemetery: Mt. Olive

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N3C3-C9R

[Carsten Schanche]

Iver Andreas

 

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=14&filnamn=dp16601860la&gardpostnr=50&personpostnr=148&merk=148#ovre

[Ann-Mary Engum]

"United States Census, 1910," Iver Wold, Chicago Ward 35, Cook, Illinois

name: Iver Wold birthplace: Norway relationship to head of household: Self residence: Chicago Ward 35, Cook, Illinois marital status: Married race : White gender: Male immigration year: 1881 father's birthplace: Norway mother's birthplace: Norway family number: 283 page number: 13 Household Gender Age Birthplace self Iver Wold M 50y Norway wife Margaret Wold F 50y Norway dau Lillian Wold F 10y Illinois dau Evelyn Wold F 7y Illinois dau Stella Wold F 14y Illinois dau Anna Wold F 22y Illinois son Charles Wold M 24y Illinois son George Wold M 20y Illinois son Edwin Wold M 18y Illinois https://familysearch...M9.1.1/MK8L-RF2

 

"United States Census, 1920," Iver Wold, 23rd District Chicago City 14th Ward, Cook, Illinois

nname: Iver Wold residence: 23rd District Chicago City 14th Ward, Cook, Illinois estimated birth year: 1860 age: 60 birthplace: Norway relationship to head of household: Self gender: Male race: White marital status: Married father's birthplace: mother's birthplace: film number: 1820324 digital folder number: 4300195 image number: 00658 sheet number: 4 Household Gender Age Birthplace self Iver Wold M 60y Norway wife Margeret Wold F 60y Norway son George Wold M 30y Illinois dau Stella Wold F 24y Illinois dau Lillian Wold F 20y Illinois dau Evelyn Wold F 17y Illinois

 

 

 

"United States Census, 1920," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch...M9.1.1/MJ3P-RJZ : accessed 25 Nov 2012), Iver Wold, 23rd District Chicago City 14th Ward, Cook, Illinois; citing enumeration district (ED) , sheet 4A, family 75, NARA microfilm publication T625, FHL microfilm 1820324.

https://familysearch...M9.1.1/MJ3P-RJZ

 

"United States Census, 1940," Iver Wold, Ward 31, Chicago, Chicago City, Cook, Illinois, United States

name: Iver Wold titles & terms: event: Census event year: 1940 event place: Ward 31, Chicago, Chicago City, Cook, Illinois, United States gender: Male age: 80 marital status: Widowed race (original): race (standardized): White relationship to head of household (original): relationship to head of household (standardized): Head birthplace: Norway estimated birth year: 1860 residence in 1935: Same House enumeration district number: 103-1979 family number: 2 sheet number and letter: 1A line number: 3 nara publication number: T627 nara roll number: 984 digital folder number: 005459740 image number: 00498 Household Gender Age Birthplace head Iver Wold M 80 Norway daughter Stella Wold F 44 Illinois

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KW12-F2Q

[Carsten Schanche]

Margrete i 1865 kanskje ?

 

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038310002453

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Iver Wold i 1865,på Væresgjerdet i Strinda.

 

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1865&knr=1660&kenr=002&bnr=0080&lnr=000

[Odd Annar Tangen]

Det er en Iver Olsen i Hemne i 1865 med bosted Vollan og en på Støren i den samme tellinga med navn Iver Jonsen og bosted Schervold, begge født 1860.

 

Den siste har vel forbindelse til Skatval hvor gårdene Skjervold ligger.

 

V.h.

Odd Annar

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Iver Olsen på Vollan i Hemne i 1865. Iver Ols. hendes Søn ug 6 m Hevne Prgj.

 

http://digitalarkive...4&merk=304#ovre

 

Iver Olsen på Vollan i Hemne er vel den samme som ble konfirmert i Hemne 1875. :

Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Hemne, Ministerialbok nr. 630A08 (1868-1878), Konfirmerte 1875, side 204.

Permanent sidelenke:http://www.arkivverk...y&idx_side=-208

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...70418680211.jpg

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Iver Wold i 1865,på Væresgjerdet i Strinda.Bodde sammen med mora Anne Marie Olsdatter,født 1830, og broren Oluf Olausen,født 1855.

 

http://www.rhd.uit.n...nr=0080&lnr=000

 

Iver Wold i 1875.

 

Ser ut til at mora er blitt gift med Sivert Skogstad.Iver sin bror (halvbror?) Oluf står skrevet som Oluf Solem.

Iver Wold Søn %Pleje% ug Murer Haandlanger 1858 Hlade S. Strindens Prgj.

http://www.rhd.uit.n...bnr=0025&lnr=00

 

Kanskje Iver Wold sto skrevet som Iver Skogstad da han emigrerte?

 

Fant denne:

 

27.06.1882 28.06.1882 Iver Skogstad ug Arbeidsm m 22 Throndhjem Chicago Ill Allan Dampsk. Tasso Bill. bet. i Amerika Tilladelse

http://digitalarkive...merk=33192#ovre

 

 

Har ikke funnet noen som het Iver Skogstad i Trondheim i telling 1875.

[Arne Solås]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11088-65733-91?cc=1463145&wc=MMVX-54K:n1447292629

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Flott,Arne!

 

Da var Iver Skogstad og Iver Wold samme person. :D

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Halvbroren Oluf Solen i 1900.Gift med Olava fra Hammerfest.Mora Marie Skogstad bor der også.

 

De bodde på Voldsminde, Vei 2.

 

Oluf Solem hf g Rebslagersvend 1855 Strinden

http://www.rhd.uit.n...bnr=0011&lnr=01

 

Oluf Solem med kone og barn i 1910. Mora Marie Skogstad bor der ikke.Hun er kanskje død?

 

De bodde på "Hjemstad 2" Voldsminde.

 

Oluf Solem hf g Rebslager Svend 28.09.1855 t

http://www.rhd.uit.n...bnr=0013&lnr=03

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Fødselsdato på telling 1910 stemmer ikke med fødselsdato ved dåpen til Oluf.

 

 

 

Dåpen til Oluf,født 8 okt 1855.Foreldre:Olaus Knudsen Solem og Anne Marie Olsdatter Væregjerdet.

Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Lade i Strinda, Klokkerbok nr. 606C06 (1850-1859), Fødte og døpte 1856, side 45.

Permanent sidelenke:http://www.arkivverk...ny&idx_side=-45

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...70919610339.jpg

 

Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Strinda (Lade), Ministerialbok nr. 606A06 (1848-1856), Fødte og døpte 1855, side 129.

Permanent sidelenke:http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2354&idx_id=2354&uid=ny&idx_side=-133

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050609010151.jpg

 

Døpt 30.12. 1855

Barn Oluf M 08.10. 1855 U

Far Ungk. Olaus Knudsen Solem Ranum

Mor Pige Anne Marie Olsdtr. Wæresgjerdet

http://digitalarkive...&merk=2317#ovre

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Dåpen til Anne Marie Olsdatter Wæresgjerdet,født 5 juni,døpt 3 juli 1831.Foreldre Ole Olsen Wæresgjerdet og Lava Andersdatter

 

Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Lade i Strinda, Ministerialbok nr. 606A04 /1 (1823-1840), Fødte og døpte 1831, side 97.

Permanent sidelenke:http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16281&idx_id=16281&uid=ny&idx_side=-54

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070918660040.jpg

[King John IV]

Ya'll are way over my head with your suggestions. Add to that the language barrier (even with translation), and I am lost.

 

But I will slog through your recommendations to see if I can figure out where these people came from.

 

Thank you so much.

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Iver Andreas ,born feb 24 1860 .

Parents:Ole Jørgensen Wold and Anne Marie Olsdtr. Wæresgjerdet

http://digitalarkive...8&merk=148#ovre

Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Lade i Strinda, Klokkerbok nr. 606C07 (1860-1877), Fødte og døpte 1860, side 4.

Permanent sidelenke:http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16290&idx_id=16290&uid=ny&idx_side=-4

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070919610515.jpg

 

 

A halfbrother of Iver Vold:

Oluf,born oct 8 1855.

Parents:Olaus Knudsen Solem og Anne Marie Olsdatter Væresgjerdet.

Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Lade i Strinda, Klokkerbok nr. 606C06 (1850-1859), Fødte og døpte 1856, side 45.

Permanent sidelenke:http://www.arkivverk...ny&idx_side=-45

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...70919610339.jpg

 

 

Anne Marie Olsdatter Wæresgjerdet was born june 4 1831:

 

Anne Marie born june 5,baptisted july 3 1831.

Parents: Ole Olsen Wæresgjerdet og Lava Andersdatter

Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Lade i Strinda, Ministerialbok nr. 606A04 /1 (1823-1840), Fødte og døpte 1831, side 97.

Permanent sidelenke:http://www.arkivverk...ny&idx_side=-54

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...70918660040.jpg

 

 

Census 1865,Væresgjerdet. Maria Olsdatter Logerende ug 1830 Strindens Prgj.

 

Oluf Olaussen hendes Søn ug 1855 Strindens Prgj.

 

Iver Olsen hendes Søn ug 1860 Strindens Prgj.

 

http://www.rhd.uit.n...nr=0080&lnr=000

 

 

Census 1875. (Anne Marie Olsdatter Wæresgjerdet was married to Sivert Skogstad)

 

Sivert Skogstad H. %Logerende% g Skomager 1828 Thjem

Marie Skogstad Hans Kone g 1830 Hlade S. Strindens Prgj.

Oluf Solem s ug Rebslagersvend 1855 Hlade S. Strindens Prgj.

Iver Wold Søn %Pleje% ug Murer Haandlanger 1858 Hlade S. Strindens Prgj.

http://www.rhd.uit.n...bnr=0025&lnr=00

 

 

Iver Skogstad ((Iver Andreas Olsen Wold ) emigrated 27.06.1882.

27.06.1882 28.06.1882 Iver Skogstad ug Arbeidsm m 22 Throndhjem Chicago Ill Allan Dampsk. Tasso Bill. bet. i Amerika Tilladelse

http://digitalarkive...merk=33192#ovre

 

 

 

"Illinois, Cook County Marriages, 1871-1920," Iver Skogstad, 1884

groom: Iver Skogstad groom's titles & terms (original): groom's race (original): groom's race (standardized): groom's age: 25 groom's estimated birth year: 1859 groom's birth date: 1859 groom's birthplace: Chicago, Cook, Il bride: Margarethe Jorgensen bride's titles & original): bride's race (original): bride's race (standardized): bride's age: 25 bride's estimated birth year: 1859 bride's birth date: 1859 bride's birthplace: Chicago, Cook, Il marriage type: Marriage marriage date: 25 Oct 1884 marriage place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois

 

https://familysearch...54K:n1447292629

https://familysearch...M9.1.1/N76X-YRM

 

 

 

"United States Census, 1900," Aver Wold, ED 399 Precinct 18 Chicago city Ward 13, Cook, Illinois, United States

name: Aver Wold titles & terms: event: Census event date: 1900 event place: ED 399 Precinct 18 Chicago city Ward 13, Cook, Illinois, United States birth date: Feb 1860 birthplace: Norway relationship to head of household: Head father's birthplace: Norway mother's birthplace: Norway race or color (standardized): White gender: Male marital status: Married years married: 18 estimated marriage year: 1882 Household Gender Age Birthplace head Aver Wold M 40 Norway wife Margaret Wold F 41 Norway daughter Elfie Wold F 18 Illinois son Charles Wold M 15 Illinois daughter Anna Wold F 13 Illinois son George Wold M 11 Illinois son Edwin Wold M 8 Illinois daughter Stella Wold F 5 Illinois daughter Lillian Wold F 1 Illinois

https://familysearch...M9.1.1/MS3N-KV6

 

 

 

"United States Census, 1910," Iver Wold, Chicago Ward 35, Cook, Illinois

name: Iver Wold birthplace: Norway relationship to head of household: Self residence: Chicago Ward 35, Cook, Illinois marital status: Married race : White gender: Male immigration year: 1881 father's birthplace: Norway mother's birthplace: Norway family number: 283 page number: 13 Household Gender Age Birthplace self Iver Wold M 50y Norway wife Margaret Wold F 50y Norway dau Lillian Wold F 10y Illinois dau Evelyn Wold F 7y Illinois dau Stella Wold F 14y Illinois dau Anna Wold F 22y Illinois son Charles Wold M 24y Illinois son George Wold M 20y Illinois son Edwin Wold M 18y Illinois https://familysearch...M9.1.1/MK8L-RF2

 

"United States Census, 1920," Iver Wold, 23rd District Chicago City 14th Ward, Cook, Illinois

name: Iver Wold residence: 23rd District Chicago City 14th Ward, Cook, Illinois estimated birth year: 1860 age: 60 birthplace: Norway relationship to head of household: Self gender: Male race: White marital status: Married Household Gender Age Birthplace self Iver Wold M 60y Norway wife Margeret Wold F 60y Norway son George Wold M 30y Illinois dau Stella Wold F 24y Illinois dau Lillian Wold F 20y Illinois dau Evelyn Wold F 17y Illinois

 

https://familysearch...M9.1.1/MJ3P-RJZ

 

 

 

"United States Census, 1940," Iver Wold, Ward 31, Chicago, Chicago City, Cook, Illinois, United States

name: Iver Wold titles & terms: event: Census event year: 1940 event place: Ward 31, Chicago, Chicago City, Cook, Illinois, United States gender: Male age: 80 marital status: Widowed race (original): race (standardized): White relationship to head of household (original): relationship to head of household (standardized): Head birthplace: Norway estimated birth year: 1860 residence in 1935: Same House enumeration district number: 103-1979 family number: 2 sheet number and letter: 1A line number: 3 nara publication number: T627 nara roll number: 984 digital folder number: 005459740 image number: 00498 Household Gender Age Birthplace head Iver Wold M 80 Norway daughter Stella Wold F 44 Illinois

https://familysearch...M9.1.1/KW12-F2Q

[King John IV]

Working on it right now.

 

I am familiar with the way the Russians treat male and female surnames, and how they treat the father's first name (from reading Dostoevsky and others). But the Norwegian way seems complicated in a different way, not like we do it here.

 

But it is making sense, and I very much appreciate your stringing together all of this information in a time line.

 

I also like to play "what if." So many times I have seen in family histories (like this one) the untimely death of a spouse and remarriage. "But for" the untimely death of that spouse, hundreds of people would not be alive today because the surviving spouse would not have married their direct ancestor. Of course, one could say the same thing about war, and other events. The entire scenario would have come out differently.

[Beagle]

On 11/25/2012 at 0:45 PM, Lars E. Øyane said:

Frå John King i Texas har eg motteke spørsmål om hjelp til å finna ut av denne huslyden som tydeleg har opphav frå Trøndelag, men eg finn ikkje noko ut om dei ved første freistnaden. Kanskje nokon kan hjelpa?

 

Iver Wold, fødd i "Trondhuin", Noreg 24.2.1860, ukjende foreldre

 

gifte seg med:

 

Margaret Jorgenson, fødd i Noreg 11.9.1859, foreldre Martin Jorgenson og Bereth Nelson.

 

Eg har ikkje fått opplyst noko om utvandringsår, men FT1900 og FT1920 syner utvandringsår 1882 for Iver og 1881 for Margaret, medan FT1910 syner 1881 for Iver og 1880 for Margaret.

 

Eg takkar so mykje på førehand for alle gode tips om denne huslyden!

 

Med venleg helsing,

 

Lars E. Øyane

Sorry for I only know English. Iver and Margaret are my paternal great grandparents. Was always told that Iver had a different surname in Norway but unsure what it was or how it was spelled.

 

if you know this name or how I could find it, it be appreciated.