Jorgine Mathea Nielsen

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Bernt Johan Berntsen died 21. oktober 1925, Diakonhjemmet, his adress Eriksgt. 4

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo skifterett, Avd. I, Dødsfallsprotokoll B 13 , 1924-1925, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.

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Leaving behind wife Emilie Kristine Berntsen og 5 "myndige" (grown up) children, 4 here and 1 in Sokna.

Ruth J. Johansen gave information of his death.

 

 

Diakonhjemmet is a hospital in Oslo.

Endret September 13, 2014 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Emilie died 17. februar 1930, Adamsstuen sykehjem. Her adress: Eriksgt 4

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo skifterett, Avd. I, Dødsfallsprotokoll B 16 , 1929-1931, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.

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Her daugther Gudrun gave the information of her death.

 

Emilie leaves behind 5 children, 4 in Oslo and 1 in Sokna.

[carrolann@rogers.com]

Could you tell me what is the name of K. Artur Johanesen's parents or at least his father's name.  Was unable to decipher the Marriage Register entry but it looked to me like it said Jan Janson - or that's where I assumed would be his father's name, above that of Emil's for Ragnhild.  Do you know exactly what Artur's occupation was.  Although my mother had a close relationship with these two most of it is a mystery to me.  Artur died February 10, 1970.  Couldn't find Ragnhild Mathea's death date but if my memory serves me correctly, when my mother visited Norway in the late 1960's Ragnhild was already deceased.

Thank you for all the information on Bernt Johan Berntsen's family.  It has filled many holes in my family history.

I have many more questions to ask.  Do I have to start a new thread or can I just continue along here.  All these people in my family history are connected in some way.

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Karl Athur's father's name is Jan Jansen.

Karl sold furniture. Møbelhandel, furniture trade.

[Roar Tvetmarken]

Karl Athur's father's name is Jan Jansen.

Karl sold furniture. Møbelhandel, furniture trade.

 

"Oslo byfogd: 1945-1945, Vigselsbok (borgerlig)" lists the following information:  Ruth Johanne Johansen was granted a divorce - from Thorleif Bertel Johansen, I assume - on 3/29/1939.  Ruth then married "stasjonsbetjent" (station porter) Lauritz Olsen Kavlerud on 4/14/1945 - probably at Old Oslo City Hall.  Lauritz was born in Våler/Hedmark, and his first wife died on 7/17/1942.

[carrolann@rogers.com]

Thank you so much for this information.

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Link to the information in # 30:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo byfogd, Vigselsbok (borgerlig) nr. II 53 (1945-1945), Borgerlig viede 1945, uten sidenr.

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Bertel Thorleifs family in 1910:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1910&knr=0301&kenr=125&bnr=0040&lnr=03

Karl Johan Johansen hf g Murersv. 06.12.1858 Vestre Aker

Dorthea Kristine Johansen hm g Hustru 28.11.1864 Aasgaardstran

Karl Henrik Johansen s ug Løs Arbeider 30.12.1886 t

Einar Johansen s ug S. 02.03.1892 t

Anna Helene Johansen d ug D. 18.03.1894 t

Bertel Thorleif Johansen s S. 14.03.1897 t

Dagny Johanne Johansen d D. 28.01.1899 t

Sigurd Johan Johansen s S. 17.05.1903 t

Georg Kristian Johansen s S. 28.05.1906 t

Bredine Dorthea Bertelsen Mor 27.01.1830 Aasgaardstran

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[carrolann@rogers.com]

Again, thank you for all this wonderful information!

[carrolann@rogers.com]

I have another "Ruth".  A photo of her marriage to Berger Myrann.  He is the son of Lagartha Kornalia Bergljot Berntsen.  She was b. Sept. 15, 1898 in Drøbak in Drøbak Parish Reg. 1899 Page 15, Entry 29 and is the daughter of Emil Berntsen & his second wife, Laurine Kristine Andersen.  Laurine Kristine is the sister of Ann Marie Andersen, Emil's first wife.  Ann Marie Andersen is the mother of my grandmother, Mathilde Antionette Berntsen (& all her siblings, Einer, Axel, Ragnhild, Siguard). (Oh the tangled webs we weave...)

 

My question is:  Who is the "Myrann" Bergljot married & what is the surname of Berger Myrann's wife, Ruth?  Thanks, again!

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Maybe his name is Birger Myrann? His wife Ruth Helene.

 

http://www.begravdeioslo.no/resultat/name/Myrann/year_of_death_uncertainty/1/sort_by_column/last_name/sort_order/1

 

 

Bergljot and her husband?

http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=3509414

Endret September 15, 2014 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[carrolann@rogers.com]

Appears to be so.  Although I have Bergliot b. September so perhaps I've made an error...I'll check that out.  Thanks!

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Lagertha Kornelia Bergljot was b. 15. oktober 1898 (not september).

 

Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1897-1917), Fødte og døpte 1899, side 15.

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Here in fostercare in 1910, the census says 1892, that's not correct)

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1910&knr=0215&kenr=001&bnr=0105&lnr=00

 

 

I am not sure, but this maybe her husband in census 1910 in Trondheim:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036806019640

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[carrolann@rogers.com]

Yes, thanks, I made an error in the month.  It also never occurred to me, although I did find Bergilot previously on that census, that she was a young infant when her parents died.  According to my previous research, Kristine died in 1899 and Emil in 1901 or 2.  Now I'm wondering who cared for Bergilot's sister, Dagmar.  Don't believe I researched her after the death of their parents.  I have a photo of her & her husband as "older" adults when they visited Canada many years ago.  You are opening many new avenues of exploration for me, received with many thanks.  I'll soon be able to write a book! 

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Maybe this is Arnfinn Myrann, in 1933, Nordlandsgt. 14

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo Adressebok, Bok , 1933-1933, oppb: Riksarkivet.

Merknader: 55. årgang. Demontert eksemplar, Riksarkivet

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Anfind in the census 1910 Trondheim:

I am no able to find him in the churchrecords in Trondheim. His parents does not belong to the norwegian church.

Endret September 15, 2014 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

? Dagmar in 1910 census:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1910&knr=0203&kenr=001b&bnr=0069&lnr=01

[carrolann@rogers.com]

Dagmar Elvida, born Dec 8, 1895, Drøbak in Drøbak, 1891-1896, Birth & Baptism 1896 Page 20.  She married a man named Aaron Eriksen, when I don't know as I have done very little research on that part of Emil's family, only what my mother told me.

 

For the marriage of Emil to Laurine Kristine I found that record Drøbak in Drøbak, (1892 - 1894) 1893 page 42, entry #4.  It's called Dissenters' Marriage Records.  Does "Dissenters" mean they don't belong to the State church?  Do they not belong to the State church because Laurine Kristine was divorced?  Or did they choose of their own free will to not belong to a church.  Laurine Kristine  was previously married to a Jakob Olaus Jacobsen Neilsen, he born 1855.  He & Laurine Kristine had 2 children, Hjalmar Leonard Martinius Jakobsen b. 1888 & Clara Jakobsdatter b about 1889.

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

"Does "Dissenters" mean they don't belong to the State church?"

Yes, that's correct.

 

Emil did not belong to the State church, i assume that he of his own free will choose not to belong to the State church.

Look at the census in 1900: uttraadt, intet samfunn.

 

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=12&filnamn=f00203&gardpostnr=355&personpostnr=1531#nedre

 

The marriage record: Emil "utmeldt af kirken", do not belong to the church

Laurine "skilt", divorced

 

Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Ministerialbok nr. II 2 (1891-1896), Viede dissentere 1892-1894, side 42.

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Emil died in 1902, "udmeldt af statskirken"

Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1897-1917), Døde og begravede 1902, side 197.

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Laurine Kristine died 1899, she belong to the State church.

 

Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1897-1917), Døde og begravede 1899, side 192.

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They got married in Christiania. Do you know when? Church?

Endret September 16, 2014 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[carrolann@rogers.com]

Emil & Laurine Kristine m. Drøbak in Drøbak Dissenters Marriage Records (1892-1893) 1893 Page 42, Entry 2.

For the children of these two I have:

Emilie Lagertha b. July 18, 1893, Drøbak (1891-1896) 1893 Page 9.  She must have died - I don't have any other info on her & in my later years I don't remember my mother or any family member mentioning this child.

Dagmar Elvida - b.December 8, 1895

Lagartha Kornelia Bergljot - b. Sept. 15, 1898 (I have to go back & check - I think this is my error & she's b. in Oct.

My mother told me Emil & Kristine also had twins that died.  Well that doesn't give them much time to have all these babies before death!

 

In the census 1900 one of the children is listed as "Shaft". Why is that - do you know?  That child is Axel Bernhard b. May 16, 1886.  My grandmother isn't listed as she's already married to one, Karl Johan Johannessen (m. December 22, 1899).

All events in Drøbak.

 

Apparently Axel never married.  Don't know what became of him.

Einor sailed from Oslo on ship Angelo January 20, 1905 bound for Halifx, Nova Scotia, Canada. Record states he was a resident of Drøbak, 23 years of age, a sailor/seaman.  Source:  Digital Archives of Norway Record #250029.

(The same ship carrying Anders Johan Johannessen Flink to Canada).  Anders Johan is my mother's paternal grandfather.

#164410 April 5, 1922 - Oslo (via Bergen/England to Canada - Frybøter Einar Martinius Berntsen (11.10.1881). (I don't state in my family tree maker the source of #164410 but since I researched ships lists I expect that's where I got this information. I found Einor in various documents sailing between Norway, Canada & the U.S. (which I haven't recorded as yet).  Have a note here that Einor never married so perhaps I'm wrong about Axel.     

 

[carrolann@rogers.com]

Hit "post" in error...thought while I'm on this subject...

my grandmother, Matilde Antionette Berntsen, at the age of 33 was a widow with 5 children.  Her husband, Karl Johan Johannessen died May 1913, in Mattawa, Ontario, Canada.  In September of that same year, Matilde, four of her 5 children returned to Norway accompanied by her brother, Siguard.  On the returning ship a young man approached Siguard wanting to meet Matilde.  In February 1914 she and the young man were married in Kristiania.  His name was Peder Olai Jensen.  He was from Bergen.  In June of that same year Peder (who later became Peter Johnson), Matilde, the 4 children, Olga, Ada, Norman & Bill, returned to Canada on the last boat out of Norway before the declaration of war.  The first child of Mathilde & Karl Johannessen, Charles John Emil,  b. 1900 in Drøbak was already in Canada having arrived in 1907 with his paternal grandmother & her 3 sons, meeting up with her husband, Anders Johann Johannessen Flink who was already in Canada.

 

I thought this an interesting story & also a matter of interest...Siguard settled in Minnessota, U.S.A.  In 1988 my mother, Olga, her only sister, Ada, brother Bill, my sister, Ada's daughter, and myself travelled to Minnessota to celebrate Siguards 100th birthday.  He died shortly after his 101st. birthday.  My mother died in August 2000.  She was 97-1/2.  Good Norwegian stock!  Except for my grandmother who passed in 1946, all her children from her first marriage lived into their late 80's with my mother living longest & her brother, Bill passing at the age of 92.

 

Thank you for the information on "Dissenters" which I expect is something like people being married in a civil ceremony here at City Hall rather than in a church.  I find "dissenters" a little confusing tho' still!        

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Mathilde and Carl Johan married in 1899, Carl Johan did not belong to the state church.

Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Ministerialbok nr. II 3 (1897-1918), Borgerlig viede 1898-1901, side 181.

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Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1897-1917), Borgerlig viede 1898-1902, side 183.

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Dissenter do not belong to the State church, they can belong f. ex.to the methodist, the bapstist.

You can belong to te State church, but being married in a civil seremony rather than in the church.

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[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Baptism of Karl Johan Johansen (Flink) in Tønsberg:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Tønsberg, Ministerialbok nr. I 10 (1874-1880), Fødte og døpte 1880, side 100.

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[carrolann@rogers.com]

Thank you, I have this document from my research done some years back.  Also the information on the birth of Anders Johan Johannessen & Katrine A. Eriksen.  He b. in Alvsborg, Lan, Sweden & she in Steneby, Alvsborg.  If my mother knew they were Swedish she never mentioned it but I really don't think she knew, only that her father was born in Norway & I expect believed his parents were born in Norway as well.  Children of Anders and Katrine are:

Karl Johan - d. May 2, 1913 Ontario, Canada,

Anna Marie - b. Tonsberg, December 1, 1883 -  Page 39, Entry 92 - died June 26, 1978 Ontario, Canada

Olaf - b. June 3, 1891 - in Frogn AK.  (Don't have the reference #) - he died April 4, 1983 Ontario Canada

Josef Artur - b. April 29, 1895.  I have his birth recorded as Drøbak, no reference.  I couldn't find his record so took the date & birth place from the 162nd Battalion Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force Attestation Papers - WW1.   He died in 1972.

Both sides of my mother's family were living in close proximity to each other & although I wasn't old enough, maybe not even born yet to have known, A.J & Katrine or Karl Johan (aka Charie Johnson), I knew & met the rest of this family & all their offspring and have a close relationship with all my still living cousins from my mother's family.  There was also a close connection by all to those of my father's family.  He was born in Ontario, Canada in close proximity to where my mother's family settled on their return to Canada in 1914.  My parents were 12 years of age when they first met at a local bathing beach.  They married in 1926, married for 57 years.  My father died in 1983.

 

 

 

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

?? Maybe Axel also went to America?

 

245714 1920 29 5 1 15.01.1920 18.01.1920 Aksel Bernts. ug skibsbygg. m 16.05.1886 Amerika New York Kjerschow Hellig Olav 610 Am. intention

 

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=32&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=245714&merk=245714#ovre

 

The record says that he lives in New York. He probably left for America earlier on and was visiting Norway in 1920.

 

Mathilde Antonette and Olga Elise Katrine left in 1908:

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=13&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=182856&merk=182856#ovre

 

Mathilde Jensen Unneland with her family left in 1914:

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=119&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=226721&personpostnr=226721#nedre

 

I assume you have seen these records.

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[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Anders Johansen and his family in census 1900. Religious community: Mormon

 

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037023000477

 

I can't find the childrens birth records in the churchbook of Drøbak or Frogn. They are not listed under "dissentere".

 

Katrine Johannesd Randem and her sons and Karl Johan Emil Randem emmigrated in 1907:

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=79&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=179406&personpostnr=179406#nedre

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[carrolann@rogers.com]

I do have the documents for AJ & Katrine & 1900 Census for Vestby (where my mother was b. - I have her documents).  Actually I have all the census records for everyone who emigrated and also all the ships lists.  As you will note on the 1900 census there are birth dates & place names for Olaf & Josef.  Since I too couldn't find birth records in the Norwegian Parish records I presume I took the dates & places from the 1900 census.  The Ships list for 1907 says they're from Westby but no doubt I looked at all those parish records as well.  As a matter of fact, I believe I have, at some point, ready every parish entry in Norway.  The tombstone for Josef says he was b. in 1894.  I have sent an email to Josef's son & maybe he can shed some light on this.