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Hvor ble Johan Andreassen f. 1865 i Kraakstad, Akershus og hans mor Karen Christophersdtr. av etter 1873?

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Rune Thorstensen

Johan Andreassen ble født på Kraakstad i Akershus 21.07.1865 av foreldre enke Karen Christophersdtr. og ungkar Andreas Isachsen. I 1865 finner jeg dem på Asper øvre, Smedsrud, Kraakstad, Akershus.

 

Hun har også barna Anette S Johannesdtr. 7 år og Carl Johannessen 5 år.

 

På FamilySearch finner jeg at hun giftet seg i Skiptvet 02.01.1859 med Johannes Svenson. Karen er født på Eidsberg men flyttet med mann og barn til Bjerkeplads i Kraakstad 1862. Ektemannen må ha dødd der mellom 1862 og 1865.

 

Den 16.05.1873 flyttet hun og sønnen Johan fra Kraakstad til Kristiania.

 

Innflytting 1862.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/285/pi00000000046953

 

Folketelling 1865

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038007002829

 

Utflytting 1873.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/291/pu00000000109086

 

Problemet mitt er at jeg finner verken Johan eller hans mor Karen etter utflyttingen til Kristiania. Jeg håper derfor at noen med skarpere øyne enn meg kan klare å oppspore dem. Jeg er mest interessert i Johan's videre skjebne, men tar gjerne imot opplysninger om Karen også.

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Rune Thorstensen

Hvor ble mor og sønn av. Utflyttingen fra Kaakstad i 1873 sier at de skulle til Kristiania. Men jeg finner ikke spor av dem der, heller ikke i emigrantlistene fra Oslo. Har prøvd å søke i 1875 tellingene hele landet (dvs de som er søkbare) men fortsatt uten hell. Håper noen kanskje har mere hell og dyktighet enn meg. Skulle gjerne ha visst mer om deres videre skjebne.

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Sven Hjortland

Kan denne være aktuell?

 

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036392250685

 

 

 

Nummer 996:

SAO, Oslo skifterett, G/Ga/Gab/L0009: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1917-1918, s. 238
 
Edited by Sven Hjortland

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Ann-Mary Engum
Martine Caspara Amundsen

Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927

birth:
7 April 1874
 
christening:
19 July 1874
Kråkstad, Akershus, Norway
residence:
1874
Akershus, Norway
father:
Martin Amundsen
mother:
Karen Christophersdatter

 

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Bente L. Skjager
 

Name Allida Amundsen Gender Female Birth Date 24 Sep 1879 Christening Date 10 Dec 1879 Christening Place Oslo, Oslo, Norway Father's Name Martin Edvard Amundsen Father's Age 1837 Mother's Name Karen Christophersen Mother's Age 1837

 

 

SAO, Grønland prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Ministerialbok nr. 7, 1878-1888, s. 69
 
Mvh Bente
Edited by Bente L. Skjager

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Dåpen ,fra Ministerialboken.

Nr 38

Akershus fylke, Kråkstad, Ski i Kråkstad, Ministerialbok nr. I 8 (1870-1879), Fødte og døpte 1874, Side 30
Permanent bilde-ID: kb20060926050577
 

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  • Tellingsår: 1900
  • Kommune: Kristiania
  • Kommunenummer: 0301
  • Gatenavn: Mandalls Gade 7
  • Gatenr:
  • Bydel:
  • Gårdeier:
  • Antall leiligheter: 28

Antall personer registrert på bostedet: 153

 

(utdrag)

 

 

Marthin Amundsen hf g Handelsman skrapkræmmer 1836 Bærum   tidslinje.gif

 

Karen Amundsen

hm g ernæres af Hf 1837 Eidsberg    

 

Alida Amundsen

d ug Syerske Fabriken Herkules 1878 Kristiania   tidslinje.gif

 

Sigurd Stenersen

s ug ernæres af Datteren 1899.05.02 Kristiania

 

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0301&kenr=260&bnr=0003&lnr=05

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  • Tellingsår: 1900
  • Kommune: Kristiania
  • Kommunenummer: 0301
  • Gatenavn: Mandalls Gade 7
  • Gatenr:
  • Bydel:
  • Gårdeier:
  • Antall leiligheter: 28

Antall personer registrert på bostedet: 153

 

(utdrag)

 

 

Marthin Amundsen hf g Handelsman skrapkræmmer 1836 Bærum   tidslinje.gif

 

Karen Amundsen

hm g ernæres af Hf 1837 Eidsberg    

 

Alida Amundsen

d ug Syerske Fabriken Herkules 1878 Kristiania   tidslinje.gif

 

Sigurd Stenersen

s ug ernæres af Datteren 1899.05.02 Kristiania

 

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0301&kenr=260&bnr=0003&lnr=05

 

 

Sigurd sto med en annen fødselsdato i 1910.

 

  • Tellingsår: 1910
  • Kommune: Kristiania
  • Kommunenummer: 0301
  • Gatenavn: Mandalls gate 7
  • Gatenr:
  • Bydel:
  • Gårdeier:
  • Antall leiligheter: 21

Antall personer registrert på bostedet: 107

 

(utdrag)

 

 

Martin Amundsen hf   Handelsmand omreisende 13.04.1836 Bærum   tidslinje.gif

 

Karen Amundsen* f Kristoffersen

hm     10.06.1837 Eidsberg   tidslinje.gif

 

Sigurd Stenersen

Pleiesøn   Pleiesøn 21.05.1898 t

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1910&knr=0301&kenr=124&bnr=0072&lnr=01

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Emigranter over Kristiania 1871-1930 ny

 

 

1915 202 26 1 09.12.1915 10.12.1915 Sigurd Arthur Steners. ug   smedlærl. m 21.05.1899 Liabrov. 14 IV Michigan   Kjerschow United States 254   til mor p.att.
 

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=232164&merk=232164#ovre

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Sigurd Stenersen
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island)

Given Name Sigurd Surname Stenersen Last Place of Residence Christiania, Norway Event Date 28 Dec 1915 Age 17y Nationality Norway, Scand. Departure Port Christiania Arrival Port New York Gender Male Marital Status S Ship Name United States

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJWQ-9MJ

 

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Ellis Island

 

Skipsmanifestet viser at han skulle til Mother Alleda Alhsen i Traverse City ,Michigan.Det står en adresse også,men jeg greier ikke å tyde.

http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiNjEwMTIyMDkwMTYxIjs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7

 
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Traverse City, Michigan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traverse_City,_Michigan
  1.  
  2.  

Traverse City is a city in the U.S. state of Michigan. It is the county seat of Grand Traverse County, although a small portion extends into Leelanau County. It is the ...

 

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Emigranter over Kristiania 1871-1930 ny

 

148069 1904 160 31 10692 1 18.10.1904 20.10.1904 Alida Ahls. g     k 25 Kristiania Michigan   Lie Unitet States   Prp   fglass.gif

 

148070

1904 160 32 10693   18.10.1904 20.10.1904 Gudrun Elfrida Ahls. ug b   k 1å 9m Kristiania Michigan   Lie Unitet States   Prp
 http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=148069&merk=148069#ovre

 

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Alida Ahlsen
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island)
Given Name Alida Surname Ahlsen Last Place of Residence Christiania Event Date 31 Oct 1904 Age 24y Nationality Norway, Scand. Departure Port Christiania Arrival Port New York Gender Female Marital Status M Ship Name United States

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JN9T-324

 

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Ellis Island:

 

Ahlsen, Alida
1904
Christiania
United States

Manifestet viser at hun skal til  ektemannen  Gunnar T. Ahlsen i Traverse Michigan

http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAyNTg0MDQwMzIwIjs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7

 

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Aldida Abelson
United States Census, 1910
Name Aldida Abelson Event Type Census Event Date 1910 Event Place Bingham, Leelanau, Michigan, United States Gender Female Age 30 Marital Status Married Race White Race (Original) White Relationship to Head of Household Wife Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Wife Birth Year (Estimated) 1880 Birthplace Norway Father's Birthplace Norway Mother's Birthplace Norway Sheet Letter B Sheet Number 1
HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE

 

Gunder Abelson

Head M 29 Norway

 

Aldida Abelson

Wife F 30 Norway

 

Gudrum E Abelson

Daughter F 7 Norway

 

Minnie R Abelson

Daughter F 4 Michigan

 

Blanch G Abelson

Daughter F 2 Michigan

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLRS-B3P

 

View the original document. 

 

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Gunnar Theodore Ahlson
United States World War I Draft Registration Cards
Name Gunnar Theodore Ahlson Event Type Draft Registration Event Date 1917-1918 Event Place Leelanau County, Michigan, United States Gender Male Birth Date 02 Nov 1880 Birthplace , ,

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6XX-JDC

 

Oppgir Alida Ahlsen som nærmeste slektning.

Det står en adresse på henne også.

View the original document.

 

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Alida Ahlson
United States Census, 1920
Name Alida Ahlson Event Type Census Event Date 1920 Event Place Traverse, Grand Traverse, Michigan, United States Gender Female Age 40 Marital Status Married Race White Race (Original) White Can Read Yes Can Write Yes Relationship to Head of Household Wife Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Wife Birth Year (Estimated) 1880 Birthplace Norway Immigration Year 1904 Father's Birthplace Norway Mother's Birthplace Norway Sheet Letter B Sheet Number 13
HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE

 

Gunnar T Ahlson

Head M 39 Norway

 

Alida Ahlson

Wife F 40 Norway

 

Sigurd Ahlson

Son M 20 Norway

 

Gertrude E Ahlson

Daughter F 16 Norway

 

Minnie R Ahlson

Daughter F 14 Michigan

 

Blanche B Ahlson

Daughter F 12 Michigan

 

Harold T Ahlson

Son M 5 Michigan

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ3Q-H32

 

View the original document.

 

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Alida Ahlson
United States Census, 1930
Name Alida Ahlson Event Type Census Event Date 1930 Event Place Bingham, Leelanau, Michigan, United States Gender Female Age 50 Marital Status Married Race White Race (Original) White Relationship to Head of Household Wife Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Wife Birth Year (Estimated) 1880 Birthplace Norway Immigration Year 1905 Father's Birthplace Norway Mother's Birthplace Norway Sheet Letter A Sheet Number 6
HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE

 

Gunnar Ahlson

Head M 49 Norway

 

Alida Ahlson

Wife F 50 Norway

 

Harold Ahlson

Son M 15 Michigan

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQB5-QJG

 

View the original document.

 

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Alida Ohlson
United States Census, 1940
Name Alida Ohlson Event Type Census Event Date 1940 Event Place Traverse City, Traverse City, Grand Traverse, Michigan, United States Gender Female Age 60 Marital Status Married Race (Original) White Race White Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Wife Relationship to Head of Household Wife Birthplace Norway Birth Year (Estimated) 1880 Last Place of Residence Same Place

HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE

Gunner Ohlson Head M 59 Norway

 

Alida Ohlson

Wife F 60 Norway

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4LQ-PZN

 

View the original document.

 

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Alida Ahlsen

Birth: Sep. 27, 1879, NorwayDeath: Apr. 28, 1977

Genesee County
Michigan, USAtrans.gif
Grave marker spelling is Ahlsen, death record name spelled Ahlson, son Harold's records are spelled Ahlson. 
 
Family links: 
 Spouse:
  Gunnar Ahlsen (1880 - 1944)
 
 Children:
  Harold T Ahlson (1914 - 1985)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 Burial:
Woodlawn Memorial Cemetery 
Clio
Genesee County
Michigan, USA 
Edit Virtual Cemetery info [?
Created by: paulswife
Record added: Jun 07, 2012 
Find A Grave Memorial# 91530912

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Ahlsen&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GRid=91530912&

 

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Gunnar Ahlsen

Michigan Death Certificates, 1921-1952

birth:
2 November 1880
Norway
death:
18 July 1944
Mount Morris, Genesee, Michigan, United States
father:
Hans Ahlsen
mother:
Johanna Kristensen
 

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Gunder Theodor Ahlsen

Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927

birth:
2 November 1880
 
christening:
23 January 1881
BERG, OSTFOLD, NORWAY
residence:
1880
Berg, Østfold, Norway
father:
Hans Ahlsen
mother:
Johanne Kristensen
 

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Minnie Rose Ahlson

Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013

birth:
1905
marriage:
6 January 1939
Lucas, Ohio, United States
father:
Gunnar Ahlson
mother:
Alida Amundsen
spouse:
James C Filson
other:
James Filson, Ella Minese
 View the original document.

 

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Helen Rose Ahlson Vasbinder

Ohio, County Marriages, 1789-2013

birth:
1906
marriage:
10 June 1946
Lucas, Ohio, United States
father:
Gunnar Ahlson
mother:
Alida Amundson
spouse:
Clyde J Young
other:
Alexander Young, Mabel Hodak

View the original document.

 

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Sigurd Arthur Ahlson

United States World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

birth:
21 May 1899
, ,
draft registration:
from 1917 to 1918
Leelanau County, Michigan, United States
View the original document.

 

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Sigurd Ahlson

Patient

United States Census, 1930

birth:
1900
Norway
residence:
1930
Berlin, Ionia, Michigan, United States
immigration:
1916

 

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Blanche B Ahlson
mentioned in the record of UNKNOWN and Blanche B Ahlson

Name

Blanche B Ahlson

 

Event Type

Marriage

 

Event Date

09 May 1977

 

Event Place

Pinellas, Florida, United States

 

Gender

Female

 

Race

White

 

Volume

4083

 

Certificate Number

031245

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VJ7B-F2Y

 

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Blanche B Ahlson

United States Social Security Death Index

birth:
12 September 1907
 
death:
10 July 1995
Safety Harbor, Pinellas, Florida
 

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Blanche B Ahlson

Florida Death Index, 1877-1998

birth:
12 September 1907
 
death:
10 July 1995
Pinellas, Florida, United States

 

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Blanche B Ahlson  
United States Public Records

 

Name

Blanche B Ahlson

 

Residence Date

01 Dec 1993-01 Jan 1998

 

Residence Place

Saint Petersburg, Florida, United States

 

Birth Date

1908

 

Phone Number

(727) 347-4534

 

Phone Number Recorded Date

01 Jan 1998

 

Address

5610 4th Ave N # B Address Continued Saint Petersburg, Florida 33710 Address Date 01 Dec 1993-01 Jan 1998

 

2nd Address

5 Ave Plaza Apts

 

2nd Address Continued

Saint Petersburg, Florida 33713

 

2nd Address Date

01 Aug 1987

 

3rd Address

441 33rd St N

 

3rd Address Continued

Saint Petersburg, Florida 33713

 

3rd Address Date

01 Apr 1987

 

Record Number

34453140

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KGN6-K9K

 

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Harold T Ahlson

 

Birth:  Oct. 9, 1914
Michigan, USA Death:  Dec. 8, 1985
Genesee County
Michigan, USA trans.gif
 
Family links: 
 Parents:
  Gunnar Ahlsen (1880 - 1944)
  Alida Ahlsen (1879 - 1977)
 
 Spouse:
  Lucille L Ahlson (1917 - 1986)   Burial:
Woodlawn Memorial Cemetery 
Clio
Genesee County
Michigan, USA  
Edit Virtual Cemetery info [?]  
Created by: paulswife
Record added: Jun 07, 2012 
Find A Grave Memorial# 91530948

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=91530948

 

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Harold Ahlson
United States Census, 1940
Name Harold Ahlson Event Type Census Event Date 1940 Event Place Traverse City, Traverse City, Grand Traverse, Michigan, United States Gender Male Age 25 Marital Status Married Race (Original) White Race White Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head Relationship to Head of Household Head Birthplace Michigan Birth Year (Estimated) 1915 Last Place of Residence Same Place
HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE

 

Harold Ahlson

Head M 25 Michigan

 

Lucille Ahlson

Wife F 23 Michigan

 

Deanna Ahlson

Daughter F 0 Michigan

 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4LQ-GMX

 

View the original document.

 

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Harold Ahlson

United States Social Security Death Index

birth:
9 October 1914
 
death:
December 1985
Flushing, Genesee, Michigan

 

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Harold T Ahlson
United States Public Records

Name Harold T Ahlson Residence Date 01 Jun 1997-01 Jun 2001 Residence Place Flushing, Michigan, United States Birth Date 01 Jul 1914 Address 6348 Humphrey Ave Address Continued Flushing, Michigan 48433 Possible Relatives Lucille Ahlson Record Number 618331041

 

Edited by Ann-Mary Engum

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Rune Thorstensen

Hjertelig takk alle sammen for flott hjelp. Her er det ingen tvil om at man har funnet Karen, og hun dro nok trolig ikke til Kristiania på det tidspunktet som var opplyst i 1873.

 

Dermed er hennes livsløp avklart. I skiftemeldingen i innlegg 3 vises det til datteren Anette (Agnette) som hun hadde i sitt første ekteskap med Johannes Svenson.

 

Derimot er det fremdeles uavklart hva som skjedde med Johan Andreassen f. 1865. Han bor ikke med moren og hennes nye ektemann i 1885 tellingen.

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Ann-Mary Engum

Har redigert  # 12.

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Rune Thorstensen

Jeg har sjekket kirkebøkene for Kraakstad, Akershus frem til 1879 for å se om jeg kunne finne Johan Andreassen død der, uten hell. Vi vet jo nå at hans mor fikk barn i et nytt forhold med Martin E. Amundsen. Først datteren Martine Caspara født i Kraakstad 1874 og deretter datteren Alida født i Grønland Menighet i Kristiania i 1879.

 

Dette tilsier jo at familien må ha flyttet til Kristiania en gang mellom 1874 og 1879.

 

Ved den kommunale tellingen der i 1885 kan jeg ikke se noe til Martine Caspara, så vi må anta at hun har dødd en gang mellom 1874 og 1885.

 

Men det store spørsmålet er fremdeles hvor det ble av Johan?

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Rune Thorstensen

Jeg klarer ikke helt å slippe tak i Johan. 

 

Vi vet at han i utgangspunktet meldte utflytting fra Kraakstad til Kristiania i 1873 sammen med sin mor. Dette ble det neppe noe av for mora fikk en datter i Kraakstad året etter med Martin Edvard Amundsen. Hun giftet seg samme året med ham. De fikk sitt neste barn på Grønland i Kristiania i 1879 og må følgelig ha flyttet dit en gang mellom 1874-79. Jeg har ikke funnet ny utflytting fra Kraakstad eller innflytting til Grønland Menighet.

 

I 1885 bor Maren Amundsen f. Christopersdtr. i Kristiania med sin mann og datteren Alida som ble født 1879. Men jeg ser ikke spor av Johan Andreassen f. i Kraakstad 1865 der. Dessverre er ikke 1875 tellingen for Kraakstad scannet så jeg får ikke sjekket om Johan fortsatt bor med sin mor da.

 

Jeg finner ham heller ikke død i Kraakstad mellom 1873 og 1880.

 

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