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Rebecca Johnson

I have been able to locate the birth and marriage record for Anne Larsdatter. I have also located what I think to be her death record. The challenge is that I cannot decipher the town/farm names. They look the same to me but if someone could translate the death record I will know if I have the correct Anne Larsdatter. I already have the translations for the birth and marriage.

 

Birth: Record #27 13 Sep 1826 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/15782/48810/43

Marriage: Record #1 7 Apr 1847 Salomon Jacobsen and Anne Larsdatter https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1603/10559/3

Possible Death: Record #12 15 Nov 1903 (died of old age) https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/4446/201

 

Are these all the same Anne Larsdatter (father: Lars Gjertson)?

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Rebecca Johnson

Thank you Alexsander. I should have said that I have that transcribed death document and it was what triggered me into wondering if I located the correct death record in the parish because the town/farm names looked similar to my other parish records. It is the comparison of all three records that I was hoping someone would be able to confirm that they are all the same location.

 

I cannot seem to get the hang of the census searches.

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Alexander Glasø

I am not sufficiently familiar with that particular area to offer any input on whether on not location names have particular relevance and so forth, but I will try to help you with the census information.

 

1865 census: https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038210001003

1875 census: https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01052251001240

 

I wonder if the husband's residence from the marriage record, Ramnesfjæld (?), or is that Ravnsfjeld(?) is synonymous with the location from the two censuses, but maybe not. Looking through the general directory of properties via link on the census, it seems to me that these are smallholdings in a contained area. It is entirely possible they shifted around. According to the 1875 directory, for example, Ramsbjerget and Ramsfjeld are separate properties. Seems a fairly good bet these census entries correspond with the couple from the marriage record though, and puts us a few steps closer to finding out about her death.

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Rebecca Johnson

""Ramsbjerget and Ramsfjeld are separate properties""

 

I would not have realised that they were different properties. The Ravnsfjeld name eventually become my mother-in-laws surname (Ramsfield) and the families are definitely the same family on both census records.

 

This is the translation for Anne Larsdatter's marriage to Salomon Jakobsen.

 

 

Marriage

 

7 Apr 1847 • Haugen, Hjelmeland, Rogaland, Norway

 

Translation: Salomon Jacobsen Ravnsfjeld / Anna Larsdr. Hougenæsset Age: 27 1/2 aar [years] / 20 1/2 aar Father of the groom: [cotter] Jacob Ravnsfjeld Father of the bride: [cotter] Lars Gjertsen Hougenæsset Witnesses: Johne Houge / Aanen Ravnsfjeld.

 

This is from the digital record of the death of an Anne Larsdatter:

Birth place: Høivigtræet

 

I am thinking that these are two different Anne Larsdatter.

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Rebecca Johnson

I had thought the Anne Larsdatters (above) were two different Annes.  But, I think I have been able to tie the death record of Anne Larsdatter to her baptism record.

 

What I am needing to know, to be certain, is what the column names for columns 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 are in English.  Here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/4446/24611/37 and she is record #12.

 

Anne Larsdatter was baptised 15 October 1826 and her death record has a column with 15/10.  Once I know what the columns are I think I can safely say they are the same person.  Birth here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070619620555 and she is record #27.

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Needed to add record numbers.

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Ivar S. Ertesvåg
2 hours ago, Rebecca Johnson said:

 

What I am needing to know, to be certain, is what the column names for columns 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 are in English.  Here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/4446/24611/37 and she is record #12.

 

Anne Larsdatter was baptised 15 October 1826 and her death record has a column with 15/10.  Once I know what the columns are I think I can safely say they are the same person.  Birth here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070619620555 and she is record #27.

 

I am not able to link the entries, places and people. This is not an area where I have the necessary local information. However, translations and transcriptions are possible:

 

Columns (referring to the numbers above the columns):
7: Birth place - and for conscripted, also: When and where confirmation

8: Residence

9: Given/specified cause of death

10: Has a medical doctor been called for during the deceased's latest illness?

11: Is the death reported to the relevant probate court (or "Lensmannen")     [the lensmann was the local civil authority (police, probate administration, court service etc.)]

 

The unnumbered and handwrittten column between 11 and 12 is "When notified the vicar" (i.e. about the death).

 

........

 

female No. 12:

(4):"Strandsidderenke Anna Larsdatter"   ["strandsidder/-sitter" is someone holding a minor estate at the shore; can be anything from a poor fisherman (most likely) in a small cabin to a rich merchant with several buildings (not so likely)]

(7): "Høivigtræet"

(8): "Hebnes."

(9): "Alderdom"  [high age]

(10): "nei"

(11): "Ja"

(when notified): 15/11  (same day as she died)

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Ivar S. Ertesvåg
2 hours ago, Rebecca Johnson said:

Anne Larsdatter was baptised 15 October 1826 and her death record has a column with 15/10.  Once I know what the columns are I think I can safely say they are the same person.  Birth here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070619620555 and she is record #27.

 

This Anne was baptised on "1ste Oct." (not 15), parents "Huusmand Lars Gjertss. Anne Endred. Hauenæsset".

 

 

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Rebecca Johnson

Thank you Ivar.  I misread her baptism date as being the 15th.  The parents in the birth record are correct though.  I am going to have to keep looking for more source documents to match (or not) the death of this Anne Larsdatter with the information provided to me which was that she died March 1917. 

 

This is what I believe to be Anne LarsD confirmation record #19 (her sister Eli is in record #18 and was confirmed the same day) here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051209010288 and the place of confirmation looks like Hougenaeset?  I gather Høivigtræet is a different place?

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Ivar S. Ertesvåg

The confirmation seems to be the same Anna as in the baptism record.

"Anna Larsdr Hougenæsset | [bapt] 1 Octb. 1826 | Hougenæsset | Samme forældre" [same parents; "Hmd Lars Gjertsen og Anna Endresdr Hougenæsset"]

 

Houg-/Haug-/Hau- is the same.

Høivigtræet is a different name.

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Rebecca Johnson

I see.  So definitely *not* the same Anna Larsdatter in that death record.  Thank you Ivar.  I will keep looking for the right death record.

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