Kyle Lerfald Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Hello All, I was directed to this marvelous forum by a person at Reddit in the Genealogy forum. I'm writing in English as my Norwegian is execrable/nonexistant. I'm trying to find out more about Hans Hanssen; This is the gentleman I want, right here. Born 1837, in Tvedt i Gjerdrum. https://digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000002648771 And this is still him; but I note the birthplace is now Nannestad. https://digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038333000733 I know Gjerdrum is also in Akershus, like Nannestad, but Nannestad is miles from Gjerdrum. I know Hans is deceased by 1886, or at least out of the picture as Berit is listed as a widow when she comes to America. But no baptism, or death or confirmation do I find for Hans Tvedt. Nor can I seem to find his father, who if I'm reading this correctly from the marriage list, is Hans Knudson. I feel terribly dense, and would appreciate any pointers the more experienced can give. Many thanks in advance, Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 27 minutter siden, Kyle Lerfald skrev: But no baptism, or death or confirmation do I find for Hans Tvedt. Akershus county, Heni, Gjerdrum in Gjerdrum, Parish register (official) no. I 5 (1835-1845), Born and baptised 1837, Page 18https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/512/25 Kyle Lerfald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I've made a search at www.familysearch.org and if these persons are the one and the same, it seems as Hans Knutsen and Kari Olsdatter got their first children living in Nannestad, and later they had children when living in Gjerdrum: https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bbirth_place%3Aakershus~ %2Bfather_givenname%3Ahans~ %2Bfather_surname%3Aknudsen~ %2Bmother_givenname%3Akari~ %2Bmother_surname%3Aolsdatter~ Kyle Lerfald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Grethe Flood said: I've made a search at www.familysearch.org and if these persons are the one and the same, it seems as Hans Knutsen and Kari Olsdatter got their first children living in Nannestad, and later they had children when living in Gjerdrum: https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bbirth_place%3Aakershus~ %2Bfather_givenname%3Ahans~ %2Bfather_surname%3Aknudsen~ %2Bmother_givenname%3Akari~ %2Bmother_surname%3Aolsdatter~ Thank you very much! So Hans Hanssen could very well have been born in Gjerdrum, and the Nannestad also makes sense, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Johannessen Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/6619/168 The church records concerning Beret's emigration in 1886 does not indicate that Hans was dead at that time, it can be interpreted as they both emigrated in 1886. "Beret Sivertsdatter Lerfald, Hans Hansen's wife" Then I find Hans Hansen and Beret Hansen in Massachusetts, Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KGK1-T1Y (ages are wrong but names and year of emigration are correct, so I am not sure that these are who you are looking for. If so, Hans probably died after immigration) Name:Hans Hansen Event Type:Immigration Event Date:12 Aug 1886 Event Place:Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States Age:60 Nationality:Norway Birth Country:Norway Ship Name:Steamship Gallia Name:Beret Hansen Event Type:Immigration Event Date:12 Aug 1886 Event Place:Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States Age:58 Nationality:Norway Birth Country:Norway Ship Name:Steamship Gallia Kyle Lerfald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Here is the confirmation record for Hans Hansen in Nannestad - it says that he was born on Tvedt in Gjerdrum - see 1853, entry no 8: Akershus county, Nannestad, Holter, Bjørke in Nannestad, Parish register (official) no. I 11 (1850-1859), Confirmation 1853, Page 125https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/530/111 This also might explain why he is listed with the birth place Nannestad in the 1865 public census. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 ???? http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1712&kenr=002&bnr=0036&lnr=00 Tellingsår: 1875 Kommune: Hegra Kommunenummer: 1712 Navn på bosted: Lerfald Antall personer registrert på bostedet: 4. Navn Familie-stilling Sivil-stand Yrke Fødselsår Fødested Etnisitet Sivert Torstensen hf g Kaarmand m j 1810 Hegre Sogn ø. S. Mali Haagensd. hans Kone g 1812 Hegre Sogn ø. S. Karelius Hanssen Dattersøn Forsørges af Moderen Arbeider paa et Bryggeri i Trondhjem 1865 Hegre Sogn ø. S. Hans Hanssen Dattersøn Forsørges af Moderen 1869 Hegre Sogn ø. S. Here Karelius Hansen and Hans Hansen are listed with their grandparents on their maternal side. The census tells that it's the mother of the boys, who is economically supporting them. She is working in a brewery in Trondheim. Karelius, 1865 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013372918 Hans, 1869 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013372917 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Thank you all- So the fact is that in 1875 Beret is in Trondheim with Karelius and Hans... and 11 years later appears to be going to America with her entire inmmediate family- family lore was that she was widowed by the time she came to Minnesota (1886), and the earliest US census is 1900 that I've found for her (listed as a widow). So it appears I have another puzzle. Where- or did- Hans die, I wonder? Obviously, not Norway- else there would have been a death record. Did they split up, and why was it her supporting the children- did they just split up with Beret using the fiction that Hans died to prevent social stigma....Unfortunately, Karelius (anglicized to Charlie) died in 1957, and Hans in 1953; neither married, no children. My father remembers them both from his childhood, but only has a child's memory of them- they were colorful characters. Many, many thanks! Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 21 minutter siden, Kyle Lerfald skrev: So the fact is that in 1875 Beret is in Trondheim with Karelius and Hans. Sorry if I did not explain it better. Beret is working in Trondheim according to the census, but both her sons are listed with Beret's parents. The sons are living with their maternal grandparents and Beret has left the boys and is working in a brewery in Trondheim, Sør-Trøndelag county. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) When did Karelius (Charles) and Hans arrive in the US and where in the US did they live and die? Edited January 5, 2018 by Grethe Flood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said: Sorry if I did not explain it better. Beret is working in Trondheim according to the census, but both her sons are listed with Beret's parents. The sons are living with their maternal grandparents and Beret has left the boys and is working in a brewery in Trondheim, Sør-Trøndelag county. You explained it perfectly- I didn't think or read properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said: When did Karelius (Charles) and Hans arrive in the US and where in the US did they live and die? Karelius in 1884, Hans 1885 per the 1900 Census, so before Beret and Hans. Both worked originally as express drivers (horses), and Hans would stay with driving through the rest of his life, horses to trucks. Charles worked first as a driver, then as a clerk at a hardware store-Gardner Hardware- which only closed in 2016. Beret, Karelius and Hans lived in Minneapolis, and sponsored Olaf Lerfald (Beret's nephew, my Grandfather) to come to Minneapolis in 1909/1910. They continued to live in Minneapolis- first the Seward neighborhood, then Ceder Riverside (adjacent), where Beret died in 1915. The boys moved near Mound, Minnesota, by Lake Minnetonka, and lived together in the village of Island Park. Hans died of a heart attack at age 84, and tragically, Charles died when their home caught fire (it was described as "an old tar-paper shack" by my Uncle) at age 92. They're buried in Crystal, Minnesota. I hope to identify if they're in any old family photos, but with only my Dad left, it may not be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Hans Hansen Tvedt - entry no 17 in 1885: Nord-Trøndelag fylke, Øvre Stjørdal (Hegra) i Øvre Stjørdal, Ministerialbok nr. 703A03 (1880-1892), Utflyttede 1884-1887, Side 202 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann-Mary Engum Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Emigration 01.06.1881. Karelius Tvedt. http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=25884&merk=25884#ovre Kyle Lerfald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann-Mary Engum Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Emigration 15.07.1885. Hans Hans. Tvedten. http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=42976&merk=42976#ovre Kyle Lerfald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 https://digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000069138 Ser at Karelius har bosted Nedre Stjørdalen. Kyle Lerfald and Ann-Mary Engum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 ??? Olaf Lerfald United States Census, 1930 Name Olaf Lerfald Event Type Census Event Date 1930 Event Place Minneapolis (Districts 1-250), Hennepin, Minnesota, United States Gender Male Age 37 Marital Status Single Race White Race (Original) White Relationship to Head of Household Lodger Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Lodger Birth Year (Estimated) 1893 Birthplace Norway Immigration Year 1910 Father's Birthplace Norway Mother's Birthplace Norway Sheet Letter A Sheet Number 13 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Josie Milby Head F 58 Norway Thomas J Kearns Lodger M 42 Minnesota Anna B Kearns Niece F 43 Minnesota Olaf Lerfald Lodger M 37 Norway Kyle Lerfald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grethe Flood Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 ??? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000184004 Kyle Lerfald and Ann-Mary Engum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann-Mary Engum Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3467960 Kyle Lerfald and Grethe Flood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 That's Grandfather, absolutely! My Grandmother is next to him- born in the US but family from Bergen (Aksel Reusch) and Risor (Ragna Torgusen Reusch). Both passed before I was born, but I met my Great Aunt Edith Reusch when I was a child. She was a force of Nature in the same way Ragna was reputed to be. Ann-Mary Engum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Hmm. 1910 US Census has Olaf, Beret (Head of household) Hans and Karelius at the house at 2017 22nd Street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Grethe Flood said: ??? Olaf Lerfald United States Census, 1930 Name Olaf Lerfald Event Type Census Event Date 1930 Event Place Minneapolis (Districts 1-250), Hennepin, Minnesota, United States Gender Male Age 37 Marital Status Single Race White Race (Original) White Relationship to Head of Household Lodger Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Lodger Birth Year (Estimated) 1893 Birthplace Norway Immigration Year 1910 Father's Birthplace Norway Mother's Birthplace Norway Sheet Letter A Sheet Number 13 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Josie Milby Head F 58 Norway Thomas J Kearns Lodger M 42 Minnesota Anna B Kearns Niece F 43 Minnesota Olaf Lerfald Lodger M 37 Norway And now I see the 1930 date. Yes, that makes sense. He'd have been working at the U of M at that point, I think- he was a caretaker (maintenance) of the Bell Museum and the grounds around the building. Met Grandmother in 1932, married in '33. Uncle John born '34, Dad (Robert) in 1937, and Warren in '41. He passed away in 1953, same year as Hans. Ann-Mary Engum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Grethe Flood said: https://digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000069138 Ser at Karelius har bosted Nedre Stjørdalen. Wonderful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Lerfald Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) He took the Håkon VII to (Edit) Trondheim then a ship to the UK, and S S Cymric from Liverpool (sailed 12 Jun. 1909) arriving in Boston. Quite a journey they all made. Edited January 5, 2018 by Kyle Lerfald misstatement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann-Mary Engum Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Emigranter fra Trondheim 1867-1930 År Side Linjenr Lp.nr. Ny gruppe Reisedato Førenamn Etternamn Sivilstand Fam. stilling Yrke Kjønn Fødd dato Bustad Reisemål Linje Skip Billett Føremål Reiseløyve Merknad 1909 138 33 2779 1 02.06.1909 Olaf Lerfald ug Visergut m 1893 Thjem Minneapolis, Minn. Stjerne Håkon 7 Bill. bet. i Amerika a Meldt http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=140750&merk=140750#ovre Kyle Lerfald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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