Hans Hanssen Tvedt (Tvet?) b.1837

[Kyle Lerfald]

Hello All,  

 

I was directed to this marvelous forum by a person at Reddit in the Genealogy forum. I'm writing in English as my Norwegian is execrable/nonexistant. I'm trying to find out more about Hans Hanssen;

This is the gentleman I want, right here. Born 1837, in Tvedt i Gjerdrum. https://digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000002648771

And this is still him; but I note the birthplace is now Nannestad. https://digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038333000733

 

I know Gjerdrum is also in Akershus, like Nannestad, but Nannestad is miles from Gjerdrum. I know Hans is deceased by 1886, or at least out of the picture as Berit is listed as a widow when she comes to America. But no baptism, or death or confirmation do I find for Hans Tvedt. Nor can I seem to find his father, who if I'm reading this correctly from the marriage list, is Hans Knudson. 

 

I feel terribly dense, and would appreciate any pointers the more experienced can give. 

 

Many thanks in advance,

 

Kyle

[Grethe Flood]

27 minutter siden, Kyle Lerfald skrev:

But no baptism, or death or confirmation do I find for Hans Tvedt.

 

Akershus county, Heni, Gjerdrum in Gjerdrum, Parish register (official) no. I 5 (1835-1845), Born and baptised 1837, Page 18
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/512/25
 

[Grethe Flood]

I've made a search at www.familysearch.org and if these persons are the one and the same, it seems as Hans Knutsen and Kari Olsdatter got their first children living in Nannestad, and later they had children when living in Gjerdrum:

 

https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bbirth_place%3Aakershus~ %2Bfather_givenname%3Ahans~ %2Bfather_surname%3Aknudsen~ %2Bmother_givenname%3Akari~ %2Bmother_surname%3Aolsdatter~

 

 

[Kyle Lerfald]

1 hour ago, Grethe Flood said:

I've made a search at www.familysearch.org and if these persons are the one and the same, it seems as Hans Knutsen and Kari Olsdatter got their first children living in Nannestad, and later they had children when living in Gjerdrum:

 

https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bbirth_place%3Aakershus~ %2Bfather_givenname%3Ahans~ %2Bfather_surname%3Aknudsen~ %2Bmother_givenname%3Akari~ %2Bmother_surname%3Aolsdatter~

 

 

Thank you very much! So Hans Hanssen could very well have been born in Gjerdrum, and the Nannestad also makes sense, now. 

[Lars Johannessen]

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/6619/168

The church records concerning Beret's emigration in 1886 does not indicate that Hans was dead at that time, it can be interpreted as they both emigrated in 1886.

"Beret Sivertsdatter Lerfald, Hans Hansen's wife"

 

Then I find Hans Hansen and Beret Hansen in Massachusetts, Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KGK1-T1Y

(ages are wrong but names and year of emigration are correct, so I am not sure that these are who you are looking for. If so, Hans probably died after immigration)

Name:Hans Hansen

Event Type:Immigration

Event Date:12 Aug 1886

Event Place:Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States

Age:60

Nationality:Norway

Birth Country:Norway

Ship Name:Steamship Gallia

 

Name:Beret Hansen

Event Type:Immigration

Event Date:12 Aug 1886

Event Place:Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States

Age:58

Nationality:Norway

Birth Country:Norway

Ship Name:Steamship Gallia

 

 

[Grethe Flood]

Here is the confirmation record for Hans Hansen in Nannestad - it says that he was born on Tvedt in Gjerdrum - see 1853, entry no 8:

 

Akershus county, Nannestad, Holter, Bjørke in Nannestad, Parish register (official) no. I 11 (1850-1859), Confirmation 1853, Page 125
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/530/111

 

This also might explain why he is listed with the birth place Nannestad in the 1865 public census. 

[Grethe Flood]

????

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1712&kenr=002&bnr=0036&lnr=00

 

• Tellingsår: 1875
• Kommune: Hegra
• Kommunenummer: 1712
• Navn på bosted: Lerfald

Antall personer registrert på bostedet: 4. 

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	Navn	Familie-stilling	Sivil-stand	Yrke	Fødselsår	Fødested	Etnisitet
	Sivert Torstensen	hf	g	Kaarmand m j	1810	Hegre Sogn ø. S.
	Mali Haagensd.	hans Kone	g		1812	Hegre Sogn ø. S.
	Karelius Hanssen	Dattersøn		Forsørges af Moderen Arbeider paa et Bryggeri i Trondhjem	1865	Hegre Sogn ø. S.
	Hans Hanssen	Dattersøn		Forsørges af Moderen	1869	Hegre Sogn ø. S.

 

Here Karelius Hansen and Hans Hansen are listed with their grandparents on their maternal side. The census tells that it's the mother of the boys, who is economically supporting them. She is working in a brewery in Trondheim. 

 

Karelius, 1865

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013372918

 

Hans, 1869

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013372917

 

 

 

 

 

[Kyle Lerfald]

Thank you all- So the fact is that in 1875 Beret is in Trondheim with Karelius and Hans... and 11 years later appears to be going to America with her entire inmmediate family- family lore was that she was widowed by the time she came to Minnesota (1886), and the earliest US census is 1900 that I've found for her (listed as a widow). So it appears I have another puzzle. Where- or did- Hans die, I wonder? Obviously, not Norway- else there would have been a death record. Did they split up, and why was it her supporting the children- did they just split up with Beret using the fiction that Hans died to prevent social stigma....Unfortunately, Karelius (anglicized to Charlie) died in 1957, and Hans in 1953; neither married, no children. My father remembers them both from his childhood, but only has a child's memory of them- they were colorful characters. 

 

Many, many thanks!

 

Kyle

[Grethe Flood]

 

21 minutter siden, Kyle Lerfald skrev:

So the fact is that in 1875 Beret is in Trondheim with Karelius and Hans.

 

Sorry if I did not explain it better. Beret is working in Trondheim according to the census, but both her sons are listed with Beret's parents. The sons are living with their maternal grandparents and Beret has left the boys and is working in a brewery in Trondheim, Sør-Trøndelag county. 

[Grethe Flood]

When did Karelius (Charles) and Hans arrive in the US and where in the US did they live and die?

Edited January 5, 2018 by Grethe Flood

[Kyle Lerfald]

17 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said:

 

 

Sorry if I did not explain it better. Beret is working in Trondheim according to the census, but both her sons are listed with Beret's parents. The sons are living with their maternal grandparents and Beret has left the boys and is working in a brewery in Trondheim, Sør-Trøndelag county. 

 

 

You explained it perfectly- I didn't think or read properly. 

[Kyle Lerfald]

4 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said:

When did Karelius (Charles) and Hans arrive in the US and where in the US did they live and die?

 

Karelius in 1884, Hans 1885 per the 1900 Census, so before Beret and Hans. Both worked originally as express drivers (horses), and Hans would stay with driving through the rest of his life, horses to trucks. Charles worked first as a driver, then as a clerk at a hardware store-Gardner Hardware- which only closed in 2016. Beret, Karelius and Hans lived in Minneapolis, and sponsored Olaf Lerfald (Beret's nephew, my Grandfather) to come to Minneapolis in 1909/1910. They continued to live in Minneapolis- first the Seward neighborhood,  then Ceder Riverside (adjacent), where Beret died in 1915. The boys moved near Mound, Minnesota, by Lake Minnetonka, and lived together in the village of Island Park. Hans died of a heart attack at age 84, and tragically, Charles died when their home caught fire (it was described as "an old tar-paper shack" by my Uncle) at age 92. They're buried in Crystal, Minnesota. I hope to identify if they're in any old family photos, but with only my Dad left, it may not be possible. 

 

[Grethe Flood]

Hans Hansen Tvedt - entry no 17 in 1885:

Nord-Trøndelag fylke, Øvre Stjørdal (Hegra) i Øvre Stjørdal, Ministerialbok nr. 703A03 (1880-1892), Utflyttede 1884-1887, Side 202
 
 

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Emigration 01.06.1881.

Karelius Tvedt.

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=25884&merk=25884#ovre

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Emigration 15.07.1885.

Hans Hans. Tvedten.

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=42976&merk=42976#ovre

[Grethe Flood]

https://digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000069138

 

Ser at Karelius har bosted Nedre Stjørdalen.

[Grethe Flood]

???

Olaf Lerfald

United States Census, 1930

Name	Olaf Lerfald
Event Type	Census
Event Date	1930
Event Place	Minneapolis (Districts 1-250), Hennepin, Minnesota, United States
Gender	Male
Age	37
Marital Status	Single
Race	White
Race (Original)	White
Relationship to Head of Household	Lodger
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)	Lodger
Birth Year (Estimated)	1893
Birthplace	Norway
Immigration Year	1910
Father's Birthplace	Norway
Mother's Birthplace	Norway
Sheet Letter	A
Sheet Number	13

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Josie Milby	Head	F	58	Norway
Thomas J Kearns	Lodger	M	42	Minnesota
Anna B Kearns	Niece	F	43	Minnesota
Olaf Lerfald	Lodger	M	37	Norway

[Grethe Flood]

???

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000184004

 

 

[Ann-Mary Engum]

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3467960

[Kyle Lerfald]

That's Grandfather, absolutely!  My Grandmother is next to him- born in the US but family from Bergen (Aksel Reusch) and Risor (Ragna Torgusen Reusch). Both passed before I was born, but I met my Great Aunt Edith Reusch when I was a child. She was a force of Nature in the same way Ragna was reputed to be. 

[Kyle Lerfald]

Hmm. 1910 US Census has Olaf, Beret (Head of household) Hans and Karelius at the house at 2017 22nd Street.

[Kyle Lerfald]

1 hour ago, Grethe Flood said:

???

Olaf Lerfald

United States Census, 1930

Name	Olaf Lerfald
Event Type	Census
Event Date	1930
Event Place	Minneapolis (Districts 1-250), Hennepin, Minnesota, United States
Gender	Male
Age	37
Marital Status	Single
Race	White
Race (Original)	White
Relationship to Head of Household	Lodger
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)	Lodger
Birth Year (Estimated)	1893
Birthplace	Norway
Immigration Year	1910
Father's Birthplace	Norway
Mother's Birthplace	Norway
Sheet Letter	A
Sheet Number	13

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Josie Milby	Head	F	58	Norway
Thomas J Kearns	Lodger	M	42	Minnesota
Anna B Kearns	Niece	F	43	Minnesota
Olaf Lerfald	Lodger	M	37	Norway

And now I see the 1930 date. Yes, that makes sense. He'd have been working at the U of M at that point, I think- he was a caretaker (maintenance) of the Bell Museum and the grounds around the building. Met Grandmother in 1932, married in '33. Uncle John born '34, Dad (Robert) in 1937, and Warren in '41. He passed away in 1953, same year as Hans. 

[Kyle Lerfald]

1 hour ago, Grethe Flood said:

https://digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000069138

 

Ser at Karelius har bosted Nedre Stjørdalen.

Wonderful! 

[Kyle Lerfald]

He took the Håkon VII to (Edit) Trondheim then a ship to the UK, and S S Cymric from Liverpool (sailed 12 Jun. 1909) arriving in Boston. Quite a journey they all made. 

Edited January 5, 2018 by Kyle Lerfald
misstatement

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Emigranter fra Trondheim 1867-1930
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http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=140750&merk=140750#ovre