Help! Any English speakers that may be able to help me?

[Andrea McDonald]

I do not even know if I selected the correct forum as I am very far removed from my Norwegian heritage, so I have no understanding of the language. I am working on the family tree and have hit a dead end on the branch of the family we were most interested in researching. I am trying to find information on Andrine Pedersdatter Thokle. I found her listed in the church book of Grytten Parish for the birth of her son Kristian (document ID: pd00000013259723, listed on row 19). The father is Knud Vebjørnsen Remen. From the document I have determined they were unmarried, but a few of the columns are unclear to me. There are a few names listed under (sorry if I get the letters wrong) "Gaddered fulde Ravn." I am not sure if those names are relatives, or witnesses? Also, there is something written in the column "DM uaegte Born, of hvem Dpgaven er fleet", it is written in very cramped cursive, so difficult to read, but maybe "Opg---- of Barne moderen". I am trying to determine who her parents were in order to continue adding branches to her tree. If anyone has any suggestions as to where to turn next, please let me know!

[Astrid K. Halleraker]

Please register with christian and surname https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/content/change-display-name

[Andrea McDonald]

Done. Andrea McDonald (maiden name-Nomeland)

[Åsbjørg Susort]

1 time siden, Andrea McDonald skrev:

"Gaddered fulde Ravn."

"Faddernes fulde Navn" = names of witnesses

 

1 time siden, Andrea McDonald skrev:

"DM uaegte Born, of hvem Dpgaven er fleet",

"Om uægte Barn, af hvem Opgaven er skeet" (If born out of wedlock, who reported the birth)

"Opgivet af Barnemoderen" Reported by the childs mother

 

You did very well 😊

 

 

[Kjell Halvorsen]

Hi Andrea,

 

According to the Census 1875 Andrine Pederdatter and son Christian were living at farm Remmen of Grytten . Her year of birth was given as 1844, born at Heen annex to  Grytten parish.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1539&kenr=008&bnr=0037&lnr=00

 

Andrine was born 12 Feb and christened 29 Feb 1844 - # 2 at page 123 - and her parents were Eli Andersdatter Heen and Peder Olsen Heen. They were not married !

 

Møre og Romsdal county, Hen in Grytten, Parish register (official) no. 545A01 (1818-1853), Born and baptised 1844, Page 122-123Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070820650068

Kjell H

Endret Mai 3, 2018 av Kjell Halvorsen

[Andrea McDonald]

1 minute ago, Kjell Halvorsen said:

Hi Andrea,

 

According to the Census 1875 Andrine Pederdatter and son Christian were living at farm Remmen of Grytten . Her year of birth was given as 1844, born at Heen annex to  Grytten parish.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1539&kenr=008&bnr=0037&lnr=00

 

Andrine was born 12 Feb and christened 29 Feb 1844 - # 2 at page 123 - and her parents were Eli Andersdatter Heen and Peder Olsen Heen. They were not married !

 

Møre og Romsdal county, Hen in Grytten, Parish register (official) no. 545A01 (1818-1853), Born and baptised 1844, Page 122-123

Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070820650068

 

Kjell H

It looks like giving birth out of wedlock is a family tradition! 🙂 

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

As for Knud Vebjørnsen, the baby-daddy, he was living at Remen in 1865 with his parents and helping out his father, who owned a farm there. See 1865 census at: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038293001626

 

In 1910 he was living as a farmer way up in northern Norway, with a wife and a bunch of kids (first born in 1879). From the 1910 census it appears he had been born in Grytten 10 Feb 1848. See https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036939007625

 

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

In 1865 Andrine's father Peder Olsen was a land-owning farmer at Kolflot in Heen, and Andrine was living with him. Peder by this time had become married, and Andrine had 4 half-siblings also living at the farm. The census indicates that Peder was 45 years old, thus born about 1820. See https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038293001609

 

That this is the same as your Andrine Pedersdatter Thokle is shown by two church-book entries concerning her daughter Pauline. According to the "klokkerbok" (sacristan's book, essentially a second copy of the church books), Pauline (baptised 18 Feb 1877) was the illegitimate child of Andrine Pedersdatter Thokle and Roe Nielsen Grøvdahl (see transcript at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000013260861). But according to the minister's book, this same Pauline (baptised 18 Feb 1877) was the illegitimate child of Roe Nielsen Grøvdahl and Andrine Pedersdatter of Kolflot (see transcript at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000003130571). Incidentally, the comment ("merknader") at the very bottom of this transcript notes that this was the fourth time Andrine had been caught in "sin" ("leiermal") and only the first time for Roe.

 

Peder Olsen died 27 Aug 1894 at age 73 while a widower and retired farmer living at Kolflot (or Kaalflaat). See transcript of burial record at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000002245381

Endret Mai 3, 2018 av Carl Geschwind

[Andrea McDonald]

Thank you all! You have been so helpful. I've gotten more information from you in a few hours than I had gotten in days of trying to dig through it on my own. Not speaking the language has been a major problem. I've made it further back in the family tree than I ever thought I would.

[Olaf Larsen]

11 timer siden, Andrea McDonald skrev:

It looks like giving birth out of wedlock is a family tradition

Haha, you're not alone about that!  😄 Most of us have some ancestors who gave birth to - or were born as, an illegitimate child. I have a lot of them! (I mean my ancestors, not me!)

Endret Mai 4, 2018 av Olaf Larsen

[Jan Øivind Jensen]

Hi, Andrea. Andrine is my great-great-grandmother. Pauline is my great-grandmother, and my grandmother, Magdalene, was actually born i Duluth in 1899, but mother and child returned to Norway and Kolflotten in Romsdal. They moved later to Kristiansund.

[Ann-Mary Engum]

8 minutter siden, Jøje skrev:

Hi, Andrea. Andrine is my great-great-grandmother. Pauline is my great-grandmother, and my grandmother, Magdalene, was actually born i Duluth in 1899, but mother and child returned to Norway and Kolflotten in Romsdal. They moved later to Kristiansund.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/content/change-display-name

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/content/219/user-accounts-logging-in-and-discussion-forum

 

 

[Ann-Mary Engum]

@Andrea McDonald

[kreg kolflaath viesselman]

Hei Andrea,  I think you have answered one of my questions, and I may be able to answer a few of yours.  Kristian (Christian in America), Andrine's son, was my great-grandfather.  http://files.usgwarchives.net/mn/yellowmedicine/bios/ckolflot.txt

My mother has a letter from Christian's sister informing him that their "dear mother has died".

I live in Norway, and have been to isfjorden, probably to the place Kris grew up.

Kristian was a bit cagey about his history in Norway, and maybe guilded the lily a bit about his background.  We always wondered why, as the oldest boy, he came to america. But now it is clear he had no future, being a "bastard", as he would have been seen. you will notice Christian took pains to specify that his father had the same last name as him in the link I sent your from the Minnesota archives 🙂 I will try to dig up some more. If you want to make direct contact, feel free to email me kregvies (a) gmail.com

regards,

Kreg Viesselman

[Torbjørn Igelkjøn]

Andrea's last visit in the forum is May 23rd, 2018.

 

I try to send her a PM.

[kreg kolflaath viesselman]

På 18.2.2020 den 12.56, Jøje skrev:

Hi, Andrea. Andrine is my great-great-grandmother. Pauline is my great-grandmother, and my grandmother, Magdalene, was actually born i Duluth in 1899, but mother and child returned to Norway and Kolflotten in Romsdal. They moved later to Kristiansund.

I think we are probably related then. Christian was Adrines illegitimate son, who moved to Minnesota. He was my great grandfather.  My moms maiden name is Kolflat (Kolflot)

Do you live in Norway? I do!

[Jan Øivind Jensen]

Ja, jeg bor i Kristiansund i Norge. 

[kreg kolflaath viesselman]

Fint! Jeg bor i Oslo. Jeg er nok "tilbakevandrer".  Vet du om Pauline hadde noe kontakt med Kristian? Som jeg skrev, min familie har fortsatt et brev fra Kris sin søster i Norge.  Forresten, vet du om de kalte Andrine for "ana"? jeg mener jeg husker det.  Tror Christian og Andrine bodde i flere år på Remmem (Remmen?) gård ven Trollvegen.  Ser at det er en gård som het Marsten eller Marstein rett ned elva fra Remmem. Kan det forklarer at hun til slutt ble gift med en man som hadde samme etternavn?

 

[kreg kolflaath viesselman]

Uansett, det virker som vi er i slekt...litt langt unna, men hyggelig likevel:)

[Michael Walsh]

Irrespective of the original post being pretty old, I love it when genetic couisins are able to make a connection via this forum (and other like places). I think it's really cool.