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Karen and Lena (twins) baptized Nov. 9, 1879 in Austmarka, Vinger

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Clark Monson

Twins, Karen & Lena were born October 26, 1879 and baptized November 9, 1879 in Austmarka, Vinger church records.  Their unmarried parents were Karen Johannesdatter Ramtjernaasen born in 1855 and Ingebret Engebretsen Lonhogden born in 1858.  In the comments it looks like it says they were their first children together.  There is also something else written about what looks like the name "Kristian Torstensen"?. I can not understand what is written.  Can somebody translate that comment for me?  The mother Karen Johannesdatter Ramtjernaasen died from birth complications.  The twin Lena died in March, 1880 and the other twin Karen emigrated to America when her uncle was back to Norway for a visit.  She lived a long life in USA. 

Thank you very much!

Clark Monson

Grand Forks, North Dakota

USA

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Grethe Flood

Here is a link to the birth and baptism record:

Hedmark county, Vinger, Austmarka in Vinger, Parish register (official) no. 12 (1871-1880), Born and baptised 1879, Page 156
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/6033/165

 

As far as I can see, Kristian Torstensen is the father of the child mentioned after the twins. 

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Clark Monson

I think you are right about that but above his name it looks like it mentioned something about "Odalen"?  

Thank you!

Clark

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Leif B. Mathiesen

1. line under the names " Begges 1st Leiermaal.
That means it was their first sexual act out of wedlock.

2. line ?????? ????????????? S. Odalen

 

Søndre Odalen was the neighbor Parish to Vinger.

In the census of 1865 there is no boy in Vinger who fits the name and birth year.
But in S.Odal, I find one. Ingebrigt/Engebret Engebretsen.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038037004789

 

 

But remember, this is just one suggestion that needs to be checked
 

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Trude Nilsen
26 minutter siden, Leif B. Mathiesen skrev:

2. line ?????? ????????????? S. Odalen

 

Can this line be about the father Kristian Torstensen? 

Hans - - - -  1 leiermaal S. Odalen. 

 

That he had another child before he was married???

This is also just a suggestion.

 

 

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Clark Monson
40 minutes ago, Leif B. Mathiesen said:

1. line under the names " Begges 1st Leiermaal.
That means it was their first sexual act out of wedlock.

2. line ?????? ????????????? S. Odalen

 

Søndre Odalen was the neighbor Parish to Vinger.

In the census of 1865 there is no boy in Vinger who fits the name and birth year.
But in S.Odal, I find one. Ingebrigt/Engebret Engebretsen.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038037004789

 

 

But remember, this is just one suggestion that needs to be checked
 

 

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Clark Monson

Thank you both Leif and Trude.  That comment with S. Odalen is very confusing.  

The father is listed in the 1865 Vinger census as Embret Embretsen born in 1859 and living on the farm Lonhoiden.  (I'm unable to use the correct Norwegian vowels so I will just use "o."  In the 1875 census there is Karen Johannesdatter born in 1855 in Vinger and living in S. Odal on the farm, Fulu.  She is listed as a "budeie".  I have a strong feeling that this is the correct Karen Johannesdatter.  

It could be that this is something to do with Karen.  Perhaps she had another child in S. Odalen?  Or perhaps it is to do with the person, Kristian Torstensen, listed below in the next baptism.

Thank you all so much!!!

Clark

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Leif B. Mathiesen

Forget Kristian Torstensen.  He is father of the girl below.

 

 

 

 

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Trude Nilsen
27 minutter siden, Clark Monson skrev:

Or perhaps it is to do with the person, Kristian Torstensen, listed below in the next baptism.

That`s what I think too. 

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Ann-Mary Engum

 

 

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Leif B. Mathiesen

I found Ingebrigts second child.

No. 101

Hedmark fylke, Strøm, Ullern, Oppstad i Sør-Odal, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1876-1885), Fødte og døpte 1879, Side 76
Brukslenke for sidevisning:   https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070111660470  
 

And Karen Johannesdatter in census1865.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038039001358

 

Karen bapt. no.52

Hedmark fylke, Vinger, Austmarka, Eidskog i Vinger, Ministerialbok nr. 10 (1855-1861), Fødte og døpte 1856, Side 31
Brukslenke for sidevisning:    https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070124330079  
 

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Clark Monson

Great job, Leif Bjorn!  Thanks so much to you for taking all the time to solve this!  Thank you to the others too who were helping!  

It is very much appreciated!

Best Regards!

Clark

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