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Louis Thompson, born 1850 in Fredrikshald

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Ivar Moe

Its possible that this information already is well known?

Ole og Ludvigs mothers birth and her parents

Oline Børresdatter b. 18 april 1821 in Berg, Halden . Baptism 4 jan. 1822

 

Her father: Børre Olsen

Mother : Marte Andreassen ??

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7429/81707/60

 

 

 

 

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Per H Skaug

Ivar,

 

their father is number 12 here, born 4 April 1822. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7429/81707/62 with parents Hans Hansen and Randi Pedersdatter.

 

That ties with his 1910 census birth date of 4 April 1822, and since this Peter is a former watchmaker there is no doubt that it is the correct one. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036333006789

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Ivar Moe
6 minutter siden, Per H Skaug skrev:

their father is number 12 here, born 4 April 1822. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7429/81707/62 with parents Hans Hansen and Randi Pedersdatter.

 

That ties with his 1910 census birth date of 4 April 1822, and since this Peter is a former watchmaker there is no doubt that it is the correct one. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036333006789

 

Ok, good correction Per.

My proposal has now been removed

 

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Carl-Henry Geschwind

 

46 minutes ago, Ivar Moe said:

Ole og Ludvigs mothers birth and her parents

Oline Børresdatter b. 18 april 1821 in Berg, Halden . Baptism 4 jan. 1822

 

Marriage of Peder Hansen and Oline Børresdatter, 8 July 1845 in Berg: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060604010806, nr. 6. (this was about three months before first son Hans Martin Hansen was born in Fredrikshald). This record shows that Børre (Børge) Olsen is her father, so the birth on 18 April 1821 in Berg is correct.

 

Her parents Børre Olsen and Marthe Andreasdat. were married 4 Jan 1822 in Berg: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061013020402, nr. 9 (this is same date their first daughter Oline was baptised; she had been born nearly 9 months before).

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Ivar Moe

Children of Randi Pedersdatter og Hans Hansen

 

Else - b. 1807 Bunæss Pladsen

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000011764676

 

Hans - b. 1810 Ulvehollet under Bunæss (strange name of birthplace) Must be Ulveholtet (wolf grove) name of a small farm. 

https://www.halden.kommune.no/teknisk/miljøoglandbruk/skogogjordbruk/ulveholtet/om_ulveholtet/Sider/side.aspx

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000011765047

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Per H Skaug

Here is Else's confirmation in 1822, as number 15. They were living in Myren at the time, which was probably a crofters place under a farm.  https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7429/81710/35

 

Here is Hans' confirmation in 1825, as number 10. There were still living in Myren. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7429/81710/42

 

Lars' confirmation in 1833 as number 10. Still in Myren. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7430/81718/6

 

Peder in 1836, number 19. Still in Myhra, https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7435/37730/30

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Emma Hall

Wow I am amazed at what you have discovered while I have been at work!

 

No response from Philippa on Family Search as yet - so hoping this family is mine - feel very invested in them now, despite one being a criminal!

 

Emma

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
On 8/17/2019 at 11:40 AM, Emma Hall said:

A lot of my DNA matches do have ancestral name matches to Hansen however, that said, I also have matches with Pedersen and variants on Thompson - I haven't specifically been able to find Ole or his parents in any of my searches / matches' DNA.

 

If you haven't already done so, you might want look again at your DNA matches - it is possible your matches haven't traced their ancestry all the way back to Peder and Oline Hansen, but perhaps there is a hit for either a Hansen in England (Amy Olive Hansen, Thomas Jewitt Hansen, Irene May Hansen, or Philip Randolph Hansen - children of Louis Hansen in England) and/or a Gundersen in Norway (Olga Annette Gundersen, Johan Ludvig Gundersen, Oskar Gundersen, Hjalmar Gundersen, Olga Randine Josefa Gundersen - children of Sophie Hansen with her two Gundersen husbands). If you can find a hit for one of these, that would confirm that your Louis Thompson is Ole Hansen.

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Per H Skaug

This is probably(?) Else Hansdatter's wedding to Lars Andersen the 14th of April in 1852. She was 46 years old, and daughter of a Hans Hansen. Based on the age, there is probably no children of the couple, so most likely no descendants. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/347/2248/51

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This is possibly Hans Hansen (the brother of Peter Hansen, the watchmaker) at Tømmerholt in Tune in the census in 1865 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037997006384 married to Oline Petersdatter, 46 years, born in Berg, with children Petria Randine and Hans Petter (the full names were found at FS)

 

Here is the wedding of Hans (stated Olsen, but a son of Hans Hansen) marrying Oline Petersdatter on the 6th of April https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7435/37733/32

He is stated as living on Wold, but born on Buu... (difficult to read, might be Bunæs, which is where the brother of the watchmaker was born)

To double check the father name, i also checked in the duplicate book, where he is called hans Hansen https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7430/81720/20

 

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Ivar Moe

I wonder if this is a daugther of Børre Olsen and Marthe Andreasdatter

 

Anne Sophie Børresdatter married December 29 - 1852 with sailor Johan Fredrik Sørensen Bigum

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/347/2248/53

 

I cant find her baptism, born 1831 - 1832 

 

And a son: Johan Petter Børresen born 16 sep. 1827

No 1

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7434/146?indexing=

 

Børre Olsen parents are likely:

Ole Baalsen and Boel Helgesdatter

 

Børre Olsen was a sailor. Born approximately 1797 and died September 11, 1843

 

 

Johan Fredrik Sørensen Bigum  October 9, 1822 - July 16, 1907

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
23 minutes ago, Ivar Moe said:

I cant find her baptism, born 1831 - 1832

 

Born 16 Nov 1831, baptised 29 Jul 1832 (under name Anne Sophie Gudmundsen Børresdatter): https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7435/10, nr. 29

 

She has five children listed at familysearch.org: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LC5V-QGZ

 

I also found a total of 6 children there for Børre Olsen, but have not yet checked them all against the churchbooks.

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Per H Skaug
8 hours ago, Ragnhild K. Brænd said:

Fredrikshalds tilskuer 17.06.1882:

sofie.jpg

Since Anders Gustav Gundersen was in South Shields when he died, he was presumably visiting one of his brother in laws, Louis Hansen or Louis Thompson.  Would it be worthwile looking for his death records in England, and whether there was an address or a next-of kin that would tie Louis Thompson to him?

 

Also, might there have been any weddings or baptisms while he was there that he might have attended as a best man or a godparent?

 

Lastly, we have not looked at any of the birthrecords for Louis T or Louis H's children, or their wedding records. I dont know if these records would list godparents or best men, but might there be something to find there? That being said i don't know to what is included on these records, and if this is even a worthwile exercise.

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
16 minutes ago, Per H Skaug said:

Lastly, we have not looked at any of the birthrecords for Louis T or Louis H's children, or their wedding records

 

As far as I know, the problem with British records of this time period is that they are not online - the British registry offices see them as a revenue source, so you have to pay a fee to get a copy, and it takes several weeks for processing. All we have are the indexes, which can pin down a birth or marriage to a three-month period, but don't give further detail.

 

Norway is MUCH more user-friendly for genealogists!

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Emma Hall

My mum may have the relevant records. I will see if they have any further information on them but if he died in 1882 then Anders won’t be on the records for Louis T as the key dates are after this.

 

Info I have on My Heritage tree for Louis T marriage and children are as follows:

 

Married Sarah Elizabeth Wilby in 1887. Witnesses have surname Vibond.

 

Oliver, 1889 (no further details)

 

Eliza Jamesine, 1891 - May 11, Sunderland (married James Marr Algernon Towenson, South Shields Jan 14 1912).

 

Oline, 1896 (married William Wood, 1917).

 

Lily, 1898

 

Louise, no date

 

Ludvig’s children were all born after 1882 as well.

 

I will ask my mam to look up the death record for Anders and see what’s on it.

 

No luck with DNA matches yet.

 

Emma

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Ivar Moe

Hi Emma

 

Son of Ludvig/Louis - Thomas Jewitt Hansen was married to Mary Hedley. They had a son named Peter Hansen. (According to Familysearch see #41 and a source on MyHeritage) Is it possible to find more about  him in english sources?

He was born 2. apr 1931 in Sunderland, Durham.

 

 

Brg

Ivar

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Emma Hall

Hi all

 

I did a search on My Heritage for a death for Anders Gundersen and the only result that comes up is for someone born circa 1880. I have asked my mam to check on Ancestry and see if there’s anything on there.

 

South Tyneside / Shields have records searchable online but Anders isn’t coming up for deaths in 1882 however it does imply that the system is not fully up to date so it could be that the record hasn’t been digitised yet.

 

https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/34814/Search-historical-births-deaths-and-marriages-records

 

21 hours ago, Ivar Moe said:

Hi Emma

 

Son of Ludvig/Louis - Thomas Jewitt Hansen was married to Mary Hedley. They had a son named Peter Hansen. (According to Familysearch see #41 and a source on MyHeritage) Is it possible to find more about  him in english sources?

He was born 2. apr 1931 in Sunderland, Durham.

 

 

Brg

Ivar

 

Is the My Heritage source for Peter Hansen just a record search or was he found in a family tree?

 

I have been busy tonight on My Heritage - I have found children of Oline Borresdatter’s (Ole’s mother) siblings as well as their grandchildren and in one case a great grandchild - most were of the source Geni (and some of them even have photos) so I have joined that site in the hope I can find the family tree on there and contact them for further info. Haven’t had a chance to confirm on actual records. 

 

There were also two people on the site with family trees featuring Hjalmar Gundersen but I am not sure they have profiled their DNA - that’s to check tomorrow and I will also contact them to see if they know more about the family (perhaps won’t tell them straight away that Hjalmar may have been a criminal!) 

 

Sorry if I have missed this but one of my searches came up with a listing for Bolette Randi (Ole’s sister) and it states that both her and her husband died at sea in 1887. Not sure where the record would be to confirm that (unless it has already been sourced).

 

Thanks

 

Emma

 

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
5 minutes ago, Emma Hall said:

Sorry if I have missed this but one of my searches came up with a listing for Bolette Randi (Ole’s sister) and it states that both her and her husband died at sea in 1887. Not sure where the record would be to confirm that (unless it has already been sourced).

 

Sorry, this was unfair of us, as it was in Norwegian and not translated, but if you go to post #68, that newspaper article is an official notice from February 1888 telling everyone owed money by skipper Anton Eilertsen and his wife Bolette Randi (both lost at sea in fall 1887) to put in their claims, so that probate on the estate can be held. And in post #72 I then provided a link to the probate record.

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