Need some help understanding some probate cards

[Larry Melander]

Need help understanding two probate cards for the estate of Hellek Ingebretsen Tveiten in Rollag parish in Buskerud.  He died in 1745.  It appears the first index card is dated 1 July 1745 but there is another date added which appears to be 10.10.1745- not sure why and what is the significance of the entry above the dates?  Then there is a second probate card dated 1752 but for his widow Ragnhild Knutsdatter- (but she didn't die until 1764 according to Rollag Bygdebok).  Did Ragnhild and the children share in the first estate and then did Ragnhild give much of her share to the children in 1752 12 years before her death??  Appreciate any help in interpreting what this means.

 

Excerpt from Rollag Bygdebok p. 119

Hellek Ingebretsson døydde alt i 1745.  Ragnhild levde til 1764.  Buet etter Hellek blei gjort opp 10.10.1745.  Ragnhild sat att med sin del til 1752, da ho oppga sitt bu.  Hellek bu var brutto verd 668 rdl. av dette 350 rdl. for N. Tveiten.  Nettoverdet var 465 rdl.  Ragnhild Knutsdotters bu kom brutto opp i 247 rel.  Av dette var 1 hud 7-1/9 skinn in Tveiten verd 189 rdl.  Nettoverdet var 233 rdl.

 

SAKO, Numedal og Sandsvær sorenskriveri, H, 1694-1802, s. 2111
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SAKO, Numedal og Sandsvær sorenskriveri, H, 1694-1802, s. 2116
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20100224642118
 

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

7 timer siden, Larry Melander skrev:

Need help understanding two probate cards for the estate of Hellek Ingebretsen Tveiten in Rollag parish in Buskerud.  He died in 1745.  It appears the first index card is dated 1 July 1745 but there is another date added which appears to be 10.10.1745- not sure why and what is the significance of the entry above the dates?  Then there is a second probate card dated 1752 but for his widow Ragnhild Knutsdatter- (but she didn't die until 1764 according to Rollag Bygdebok).  Did Ragnhild and the children share in the first estate and then did Ragnhild give much of her share to the children in 1752 12 years before her death??

 

Without looking up the protocol:  There were probably two meetings, 1 July and 10 Oct.

Above the dates: "S.[side] 70b", Page 70b (of the protocol)

 

Yes, Ragnhild apparently divided her estate between the children in 1752. There was probably a condition for the one that got the real estate, to take care of her in her age.

 

A question back, about terminology: in all dictionaries I have access to (Webster, Oxford English, ...) "probate" is associated with a will  (Oxford: "The official proving of a will;"- since probate originally means proving/trying). In a Norwegian "skifte", there is usually not a will.

 

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

The first "skifte", 1745:

SAKO, Numedal og Sandsvær sorenskriveri, H/Hb/Hba/L0006A: Skifteprotokoll , 1744-1755, s. 70b-71a
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090121410091

There were two meetings, one to open and get an overview; the second to divide the inheritance.

 

The second, 1752:

SAKO, Numedal og Sandsvær sorenskriveri, H/Hb/Hba/L0006A: Skifteprotokoll , 1744-1755, s. 310b-311a
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090121410333

 

much text and very poor images...

 

[Larry Melander]

Thanks Ivar. 

 

Regarding probate- the only reason I used the term is digitalarkivet search engine calls those index cards "probate index cards". 

 

I'm not a lawyer but probate is a process for settling the estate- especially if someone has a lot of property.  Some states have laws that allow smaller estates to be settled without going to probate- even if you don't have a will.  Also if you have your assets set up properly with beneficiaries designated and trusts established on property you can avoid your family from having to go thru probate.