Trugge Ingebregtsdatter 1799 moved to Vefsn from Tynset?

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

41 minutter siden, Randi Elisabeth Haugros skrev:

Kirsten or Kersti Ingebrigtsdatter and Peder Pedersen got married 28. september 1834 in Ibestad.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW8Q-FB3
 

Familysearch is not an open site - and this is incorrect.

not Ibestad Sept.1834:

SATØ, Ibestad sokneprestembete, Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1825-1836, s. 249
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070604640632

 

It can be useful to regard the information already gathered.

Acording to the correction page for the Tylldal "bygdebok" (see link above),

they married in Lenvik parish (No. 1/1834): 

SATØ, Lenvik sokneprestembete, H/Ha: Ministerialbok nr. 4, 1832-1844, s. 149
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070606620095

In 1834 Lenvik parish included Målselv (subparish)

Furthermore, she remarried as widow in Målselv 1855  (then a separate parish).

SATØ, Målselv sokneprestembete, Ministerialbok nr. 3, 1853-1863, s. 166
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050310010804

 

 

 

1 time siden, Randi Elisabeth Haugros skrev:

Karen Ingebrigtsdatter’s marriage, and her children, source: Familysearch:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=Karen&q.spouseGivenName=Even&q.spouseSurname=Larsen&f.recordCountry=Norway&f.recordSubcountry=Norway%2CTroms&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on
 

Karen and Even got married 1 july 1836, Ibestad, Troms.

 

open/original record:

SATØ, Ibestad sokneprestembete, Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1825-1836, s. 253
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070604640636

(No.1/1836)

 

 

 

[Ken Ogren]

20 hours ago, Randi Elisabeth Haugros said:

The best man to True and Jacob om 1830 was Ingebrigt Eriksen.

Look at the K om Kulstad and try to find an E om the page.

Yes, I can see that now, thank you.

[Ken Ogren]

22 hours ago, Randi Elisabeth Haugros said:

Brother Knut died in 1848:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000820389

This record says 1846, but I did my best to look in both timeframes in Lenvik parish.

Is this the right place to be looking?

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/25037/201

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

 

 

This record says 1846, but I did my best to look in both timeframes in Lenvik parish.

Is this the right place to be looking?

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/25037/201

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I am not sure about what you want to find; his death in the original church book or the probate after Knut Inbebrigtsen?

(Sorry about given wrong year of death in information about Knut).

About the probate, I cannot give you an answear just now. 

 

You do find information about hid death in the church book here

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000820389

 

Source information:

Church book from Lenvik parish 1845-1854 (1931P)

 

No 2 here:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/sources?s=lenvik&from=1845&to=1854&format=all&archive_key=&sc[]=kb

 

Velg Browse scans and then click Døde og begravede - Lenvik, Hillesøy, Målselv sokn, click   year  1846 and then browse to Serial no.:46

SATØ, Lenvik sokneprestembete, H/Ha: Ministerialbok nr. 6, 1845-1854, s. 279
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050310030722

 

Knut:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste.aspx?kb=k&RR=17262

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 9, 2020 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

The confirmations of Berith Ingebrigtsdatter, True's sister, in Tranøy parish 1823:

SATØ, Tranøy sokneprestkontor, I/Ia/Iaa/L0004kirke: Parish register (official) no. 4, 1820-1829, p. 489-490
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050309020840
 

Her parents came  in 1822 from Tønseth parish in Østerdahlen,  are staying (opholder sig nu) in Maalselven under Lenvigs parish, Ingebret Knudsen and wife Anne Olsd.

Endret August 10, 2020 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Ole Ingebretsen:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste.aspx?kb=k&RR=17334

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Embret/Ingebrigt Knudsen døde i 1848:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000000820530

 

SATØ, Lenvik sokneprestembete, H/Ha: Ministerialbok nr. 6, 1845-1854, s. 288
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050310030732

 

Marit døde i 1856:

SATØ, Målselv sokneprestembete, Ministerialbok nr. 3, 1853-1863, s. 214
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050310010835

 

 

Endret August 10, 2020 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Ken Ogren]

14 hours ago, Ken Ogren said:

Is this the right place to be looking?

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/25037/201

13 hours ago, Randi Elisabeth Haugros said:

I am not sure about what you want to find; his death in the original church book or the probate after Knut Inbebrigtsen?

 

I was trying to take the advice of Roy to look for the probate records of True's siblings;

 

On 8/9/2020 at 2:47 AM, Roy Østensen said:

One approach would be to search out the siblings of True, find when they died, and if they died childless, True would be mentioned with her whereabouts.

These are the 8 children of Embret and Marit mentioned in the farm book for Tylldalen:

 

I was hoping to find probate records of one of Tru(gg)e's siblings from a death that would have occurred prior to her death in 1879.  Just hoping to find a reference to her, hopefully in Vefsn.  Perhaps mentioning her marriage to either Jacob Jacobsen, or Ole Olson.

 

Thank you so much

I am truly appreciative of the hard work you all have done, and how well you do it.  I am getting better, but there is a lot to learn.

Endret August 10, 2020 av Ken Ogren

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

I understand. Embret/Ingebret died i 1848, maybe there is a probate record after him. I have not been able to find it.

 

Målselv lensmann deathregister, scanned, starts at 1863.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/sources?s=Målselv&from=&to=&format=all&archive_key=&st[]=SKDP&st[]=SKDM&st[]=SKDR
 

 

[Roy Østensen]

5 hours ago, Randi Elisabeth Haugros said:

I understand. Embret/Ingebret died i 1848, maybe there is a probate record after him. I have not been able to find it.

Me neither. I've had no luck with probates of Ingebrigt or Maren between 1839 and 1859.

 

But here, on June 26, 1845, Ingebright Knudsen Øverby, transferred the deed on Øverby to Hans Hansen At?ibro of Lurøy dat. 2 sept. 1844.

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/17431/133

so, as Ingebret and Maren were both old, and none of their children stayed at Øverby, they probably sold out and settled their heritage before they died.

 

There is some detailed conditions in the actual deed, if somebody feels like transcribing:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/17167/178

Endret August 10, 2020 av Roy Østensen

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Målselv bygdebok 3, author Vidkun Haugli, page 77, Øverby, gnr. 83.

 

The farm is probably named after the farm Øverby in Tyldal parish in Østerdalen. 

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The first to settle at Øverby was Embret or Ingebrigt Knutsen and his wife, Marit Olsdatter Hokstad, from Tylldal in Nord-Østerdalen.

Embret was the son of Knut Arnesen Øverby and Kirsti Brynhildsdatter. Knut died in 1810, and Embret took over the father's farm. 

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10. feb 1826 Embret got "ryddningsseddel" on Øverby and settled down the same year.

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In 1845 Embret sold the farm Øverby to Hans Hansen from Sollia.

Embret and Marit stayed at Øverby with Hans  Hansen and his family.

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I am not going to translate the pages about the farm Øverby and the people living there.

There is more to read about Embret and Marit at Øverby farm. Their 8 children are mentioned,  by their names, and  about  Karen and Kirsti's marriages. The author writes: We know that Knut went to America (must be wrong).

 

[Roy Østensen]

I will provide a bit more detail from the farm book:

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Embret died in 1848 and Marit in 1856. They had 8 children: True, Kirsti, Knut, Ola, Berit, Ingrid, Marit and Karen. As mentioned only  a few of these came with them to Målselv. We know that the son Knut went to America. The daughter Karen b. 1812 was married to teacher and church-singer Even Larsen Moe in Bardu. They left for Trøndelag. Another daughter Kirsten (Kirsti), b. ca. 1805, was in 1834 married to Peder Pedersen. They had the daughter Ingri from before the marriage (b. 1833), and the daughter Marie b. 1835. Ingri was home-baptised by Johannes Thoresen Divimo.

The other 5 children are not mentioned.

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

53 minutter siden, Roy Østensen skrev:

I will provide a bit more detail from the farm book:

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Embret died in 1848 and Marit in 1856. They had 8 children: True, Kirsti, Knut, Ola, Berit, Ingrid, Marit and Karen. As mentioned only  a few of these came with them to Målselv. We know that the son Knut went to America. The daughter Karen b. 1812 was married to teacher and church-singer Even Larsen Moe in Bardu. They left for Trøndelag. Another daughter Kirsten (Kirsti), b. ca. 1805, was in 1834 married to Peder Pedersen. They had the daughter Ingri from before the marriage (b. 1833), and the daughter Marie b. 1835. Ingri was home-baptised by Johannes Thoresen Divimo.

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The other 5 children are not mentioned.

 

I do not doubt that this is correctly cited from the book.

However, the emmigration record in the Tynset ministerial records in 1822 list Embret and Marit with 8 children leaving "til Nordland", age 9 to 22 years.

SAH, Tynset prestekontor, Ministerialbok nr. 18, 1815-1829, s. 576-577
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603380508

(this link is not new to the thread)

 

All 8 seems to have left records in Nordland and/or Troms (but may be not in Målselv?)

[Roy Østensen]

Yes, the family must have stayed somewhere in Bardu between 1822 and until Embret got the permission to clear land at Øverby, and most of the children seems to have stayed on in Bardu.

[Anita Aamo]

Publisert av Målselv Historielag:

 

http://www.malselvhistorielag.no/index.php/malselv-historielag-hjem/63-nybyggerne-pa-overby-og-kongsli

 

http://www.malselvhistorielag.no/documents/OddBjorklundsSamlinger/Tyldals-Knut-pa-Overby.pdf

 

It looks like the family lived in Skoelvlia (Skoelvdalen?)in Bardu for a few years.  Note that four of the daughters were married in Bardu to sons of other pioneers.

Endret August 11, 2020 av Anita Aamo

[Ken Ogren]

6 hours ago, Anita Aamo said:

http://www.malselvhistorielag.no/documents/OddBjorklundsSamlinger/Tyldals-Knut-pa-Overby.pdf

The first paragraph mentions True along with the other siblings, later in the paragraph is mentioned Ole Olsen.  I will type this area of the document into google translate when I get some time, to see if there is any relevance.

 

I am just amazed at the great information you all have been able to locate, and I appreciate your effort.

 

Before seeing this post, and getting somewhat hopeful for a solid link, I was thinking that this may be the end of the road for tracing this True of Tynset.  I was thinking that maybe I should start trying to trace any other True Ingebregtsdatter's that were born near this time and place, to perhaps confirm or exclude them as the True of Kuhlstad.

 

Thank you again for your work, and help. 

Endret August 11, 2020 av Ken Ogren

[Roy Østensen]

8 hours ago, Ken Ogren said:

The first paragraph mentions True along with the other siblings, later in the paragraph is mentioned Ole Olsen.  I will type this area of the document into google translate when I get some time, to see if there is any relevance.

It is a nice article, but it does not give much specific details that we haven't already found. It does say that 'Many of Embret's girls married the sons of the first land clearers in Bardu, but some of them emigrated to America.' which is not entirely correct, since as far as we have found only one of the sons of Embret emigrated. It does tell a bit of the story of the ancestors of Embret in Tylldalen. Note that Embret named his new farm in Målselv Øverby after his home farm in Tylldalen, so don't get them mixed up.

 

Looking again at the 8 siblings:

1. True, b. 1799
2. Kirsti (b. 1802, d 28 May 1881), m. #1 to Peder Pedersen, #2 to Peder Bersvendsen, to Målselv and Balsfjord
3. Berit (b. 1804, d. 8 Jan 1839), m. 1834 to Lars Simonsen, two sons mentioned in the probate.
4. Ingrid (b. 4 Aug 1807, d. 6 Feb 1894), m. to Simon Johnsen, 3 children mentioned in the farm book
5. Marit (b. 28 Apr 1810, d. 3 Mar 1886), m. #1 to Simen Olsen Viken, #2 to John Olsen Lien, and children mentioned in the farm book
6. Karen (b. 3 Feb 1813), m. 19 Jul 1835 to Even Larsen Motrøen, and children mentioned in the farm book, to Trondheim
7. Knut, b. 8 Sep 1815
8. Ole, b. 12 Aug 1817, m. 26 Sep 1841 to Sigrid Halvorsdatter, Rendalen, emigrated to Minnesota with his family 1 Aug 1872.

We only have Knut left for a possible childless probate. The Tylldalen addendum has this link for his death: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2893/255

which, if it is the correct Knut states him as unmarried at his death on 28 Jun 1846. However, I could not find a probate.

 

I am still confident that the True we have found, and which the Tylldalen addendum supports, is the correct one, for no other reason that the name is so unusual and that there are no other candidates.

Endret August 11, 2020 av Roy Østensen

[Knut Skorpen]

På 9.8.2020 den 2.24, Ken Ogren skrev:

Yes Jacobine Olsdatter was my dad's great grandmother.  Her and Jacob Nielsen's daughter Anna Nicolina 1875 emigrated to the USA to a farm that is within 2 miles as a crow flies from where I live.  She emigrated and married Jacob Nielsen 1872 also from Vefsn.  They were married in a small town near here.

Is it this marriage?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9C3-V2JY?i=43&cc=1534448
 

Do you know more about  her husband Jacob Nielsen?

[Ken Ogren]

56 minutes ago, Knut Skorpen said:

Is it this marriage?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9C3-V2JY?i=43&cc=1534448
 

Do you know more about  her husband Jacob Nielsen?

 

Yes, the record above is the marriage of my dad's grandparents both from Vefsn, but married in Washington state.  They had a farm very near to where I grew up, and live.

 

I do know more about Jacob Mathias Nielsen.  My dad knew and loved them both.  I will start to look farther back into his history now that we have come to somewhat of a conclusion with True.

 

I have relationships at least two generations beyond Jacob that I have developed in Family Search.  I am going back over what I have pieced together to try to be more confident in the information.

 

Please let me know if there is specific information that you desire, and thank you to all the wonderful and helpful people on this site.  I hope to come and visit Norway next summer, Corona Virus allowing.

 

 

[Knut Skorpen]

I'm working with farm history in Vefsn.

 

These days I'm the next "Vefsn bygdebok -- Gardshistorie for Vefsn" will be printed. I called the typograph and, and now the marriage is mentioned under Jakob Mathias Nilsson in  Herringbotn and Anna Nikoline Jakobsdtr, Kulstad. These two farms are among the farms we write about in the coming book. Thank you for help!

 

I think that was the last correction in this book!

[Ken Ogren]

Please let me know if you'd like information about their families.

[Knut Skorpen]

1 time siden, Ken Ogren skrev:

Please let me know if you'd like information about their families.

I would like to know where the lived and the year each of them (Jakob and Anna) died. It also would  be interesting to know what name they used im Amerika.

Endret August 12, 2020 av Knut Skorpen

[Ken Ogren]

They Lived at what is now 15898 159th Ave NE, Arlington, WA 98223.  The house they lived in is no longer there.  They went by Jacob and Anna Nelson.  This is the ID for Jacob in my family tree on Family Search.  LY3B-ZNQ, and this is Anna LY3B-PCP.  All of their children have passed, and many of their grand children.  I only have that Jacob passed in 1951.  Anna lived until March 23rd 1967.

 

I would be very interested in information about the family in Vefsn.  I believe you can look at the tree that is attached to Jacob and Anna to see what I have compiled.  Much of what is there has yet to be truly verified.

Endret August 12, 2020 av Ken Ogren

[Ken Ogren]

On 8/12/2020 at 6:33 AM, Knut Skorpen said:

These days I'm the next "Vefsn bygdebok -- Gardshistorie for Vefsn" will be printed.

 

Is there also this type of document for

Oppland, Heidal, Sel, Vågå?  My mother's father's parents came from this area of Norway.

 

I found this link https://www.genealogi.no/wiki/index.php/Liste_over_digitaliserte_bygdebøker_–_Oppland, but it seems like it cannot be opened from here.

[Roy Østensen]

1 hour ago, Ken Ogren said:

 

Is there also this type of document for

Oppland, Heidal, Sel, Vågå?  My mother's father's parents came from this area of Norway.

 

I found this link https://www.genealogi.no/wiki/index.php/Liste_over_digitaliserte_bygdebøker_–_Oppland, but it seems like it cannot be opened from here.

The links are indeed almost entirely restricted to Norwegian ip addresses.

And most of the books listed are not farm histories with genealogic details, but mostly just regional history.

The list is also not exhaustive, as it only contains literature that has been scanned.

• For Heidal, the only genealogical book in the list is Torø Brobakken og Lars Hattrem og deres efterslekt : fra Heidal i Gudbrandsdalen and that seems to be a handwritten family history covering two family trees related to the two persons in the title that were living around 1800
• For Sel, none of the resources have decent geneological detail.
• For Vågå the book Slekter i Vågå og Lom : med forgreininger blant annet til Sel, Heidal og Skjåk might be of interest. It is a limited print of 50 books privately made, and only covers a handful of farms. I attach a screenshot of the content. If you see anything relevant, just ask...

You can find more resources here, sometimes with books for sale: https://slekt1.com/litteratur/wpbdp_category/oppland/

 

For Heidal there is a two-volume farm-book. You find the author information on the national library, but the book is not available even for Norwegian IPs.

• Arnfinn Engen: Gards og slektshistorie for Heidal (2011, 2012)

For Vågå and Sel there is a combined local history book in 4 volumes, but I don't expect it to contain very detailed genelogiacal information

• Ivar Teigum: Bygdebok for Vågå og Sel (2001, 2004, 2007, 2009)

See also: http://heidal-historielag.org/Oppdatert litteraturliste.html