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Bertha O(thelia?) Andersdotter (Ness?) - fødd i Noreg 18.7.1865 - døydde i Sweet Home, OR 6.7.1930 - kven var ho? - utvandringsår?


Lars E. Øyane

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Dette er ein person som eg har vore på leiting etter i minst 35 år, og som eg so langt ikkje har greidd å finna det norske opphavet til!  Kan nokon please hjelpa meg?

 

Bertha O(thelia?) Andersdotter, i Amerika kjend som Tilla Anderson, oppgjevi fødd i Noreg 18.7.1865 som dotter av Anders og Ragnhild Ness, utvandra til Amerika i ung alder og gifte seg i Vernon Co., WI 6.2.1882 med Thomas Torgerson (1862-1892) med foreldre frå Luster i Sogn.  Ho døydde i Sweet Home, OR 6.7.1930.

 

Er det mogeleg å finna ut:

 

* Det fulle norske namnet hennar?

 

* Nøyaktig stad (og dato) for fødsli hennar?

 

* Utvandringsåret hennar?

 

* Fulle namn på foreldri hennar med yrke og opphav?

 

Eg takkar so mykje på førehand for alle gode tips!

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Er dette den samme personen?

 

For ordens skyld:

 

Tilla A Miller

 in the Oregon, U.S., Death Index, 1898-2008

Name:Tilla A Miller

Death Date:6 Jul 1930

Death Place:Linn

Certificate:171

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=5254&h=151680&tid=&pid=&queryId=1ea13c310b72b62b4e4c2a1818b8a6e7&usePUB=true&_phsrc=MRr35&_phstart=successSource

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Tilla A. Miller

in the U.S., Obituary Collection, 1930-Current

Name:Tilla A. Miller

Death Age:64

Birth Date:14 Jul 1865

Death Date:6 Jul 1930

 

Tilla A. Miller

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Tilla A. Miller

Birth Date:14 Jul 1865

Death Date:6 Jul 1930

Cemetery:Zoar Lutheran Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Aurora, Clackamas County, Oregon, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:John C Miller

 

 

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Andre ekteskap?

 

T Torgeson

 in the Washington, U.S., Marriage Records, 1854-2013

Name:T Torgeson

Maiden Name:Anderson

Gender:Female

Marriage Age:32

Birth Date:abt 1865

Birth Place:Norway

Marriage Date:7 Oct 1897

Marriage Place:Vancouver, Clarke, Washington, USA

Father:T Anderson

Spouse:J C Miller

 

 

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Claude Torgeson

in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

Name:Claude Torgeson

Gender:Male

Race:White

Birth Date:1 Aug 1892

Birth Place:Vancouver Cl, Washington

Father:Thomas H Torgeson

Mother:Tilla A Anderson

SSN:700102761

Notes:Feb 1937: Name listed as CLAUDE TORGESON

 

Har du noen kilde til henne i Wisconsin?

 

 

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Tilla A Miller død 6/7 1930 skal være denne Tilla Anette født 14/7 1865 døpt 15/10 1865 Bragernes

SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0003: Ministerialbok nr. II 3, 1860-1868, s. 235
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051125020240

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F8W4-9FK

 

ft 1865

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038099000582

 

Familien i census 1870

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDHH-54Z

 

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https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/161071789/person/292104073072/story

 

When Tilla A. Anderson was born on July 14, 1865, in Norway, her father, Thorsten, was 30, and her mother, Anne, was 33. She had one son with Thomas Hendrickson (Henry) TORGERSON in 1892. She died on July 6, 1930, in Canby, Oregon, at the age of 64.

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3 hours ago, Anne Tonby said:

 

Tilla Andeson

 in the 1880 United States Federal Census

Name:Tilla Andeson
[Tilla Anderson] 

Age:14

Birth Date:Abt 1866

Birthplace:Norway

Home in 1880:Saint Olaf, Otter Tail, Minnesota, USA

Dwelling Number:51

Race:White

Gender:Female

Relation to Head of House:Daughter

Marital status:Single

Father's Name:Thosten Andeson

Father's Birthplace:Norway

Mother's Name:Anne Andeson

Mother's Birthplace:Nor

Occupation:At Home

Attended School:Yes

Neighbors:View others on page

Household Members:

NameAge

Thosten Andeson45

Anne Andeson54

Tritiof Andeson17

Tilla Andeson14

Maren Andeson 12

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=0&indiv=try&db=1880usfedcen&h=33229060

 

 

 

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Thorsten Anderson

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Thorsten Anderson

Birth Date:20 May 1835

Death Date:4 Dec 1900

Cemetery:Miller Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Silverton, Marion County, Oregon, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:Anne Anderson

 

Anne Anderson

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Anne Anderson

Birth Date:27 Apr 1827

Death Date:29 Dec 1895

Cemetery:Miller Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Silverton, Marion County, Oregon, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:Thorsten Anderson

 

 

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Thorsten Anderson

 in the 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:Thorsten Anderson

Age:65

Birth Date:May 1835

Birthplace:Norway

Home in 1900:Barlow, Clackamas, Oregon

Sheet Number:1

Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:6

Family Number:6

Race:White

Gender:Male

Immigration Year:1867

Relation to Head of House:Father

Marital status:Widowed

Father's Birthplace:Norway

Mother's Birthplace:Norway

Years in US:33

Naturalization:Naturalized

Can Read:Yes

Can Write:Yes

Can Speak English:Yes

Neighbors:View others on page

Household Members:

NameAge

Fred Anderson37

Annie Anderson31

Thorsten Anderson65

Joseph T Anderson7

Arthur F Anderson6

Alma Anderson3

Thorsten Anderson2

 

Fred må være Frijthof.

 

 

 

 
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Fred Anderson

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Fred Anderson

Birth Date:1863

Death Date:1940

Cemetery:Zoar Lutheran Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Aurora, Clackamas County, Oregon, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:Annie J. Anderson

Children:Joseph T. Anderson 
Ida Annette Frum 
Mabel Theoline Thompson 
Alice Frances Thompson 
Arthur L. Anderson 
Infant Daughter Anderson 
Thorsten Johan Anderson 
Alma Josephine Olsen

 

 

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4 hours ago, Anne Tonby said:

 

Kona til Thorsten er savnet i 1870 FT. Kanskje var Thorsten gift to ganger?

 

Thorsten Anderson

 in the Web: MInnesota, U.S., Marriages from the Minnesota Official Marriage System, 1850-2019

Name:Thorsten Anderson

Marriage Date:13 Jan 1871

Marriage Place:Douglas, Minnesota, USA

Spouse:Anna Nilsdotter Moseng

Certificate Number:A - 166

 

 

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Dåp av Maren datter av Thorsten Andersen og Anne Eliasdatter i Fillmore, County, Minnesota.

 

Maren Elisa Andersen

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

Name:Maren Elisa Andersen

Baptism Age:0

Record Type:Baptism 

Birth Date:5 Jul 1867

Baptism Date:15 Sep 1867

Baptism Place:Fillmore, Minnesota, USA

Father:Tosten Andersen

Mother:Anne Eliasdtr

Church Name:Bethlehem Lutheran Church

Church Location:Lanesboro, Minnesota

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Sannsynligvis død av den første kona til Thorsten Andersen i 1868 i Rushford, Fillmore County, Minnesota.

 

Anne Eliasdatter

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

Name:Anne Eliasdatter

Record Type:Burial 

Death Date:21 Dec 1868

Burial Date:18 Apr 1869

Church Name:Rushford Lutheran Church

Church Location:Rushford, Minnesota

 

Født ca 1831 i Norderhaug?

 

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https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=nik24&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=60722&gsfn=ann*&gsln=elias*&gsfn_x=1&gsln_x=1&new=1&rank=1&uidh=bz3&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=10&h=5144493&recoff=&ml_rpos=11&queryId=6f8678de640a6f89806afcae1327eb73

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Her er en dåp av en Anne Eliasdatter fra Norderhov.

 

 

Anne Eliasen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Anne Eliasen

Gender:Female

Birth Date:13 feb 1832

Baptism Date:29 des 1832 (29 Dec 1832)

Baptism Place:Norderhov,Buskerud,Norway

Father:Elias Eriksen

Mother:Else Jonsdr

FHL Film Number:124056

 

Nr. 10 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314620644

 

 

 

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Dåpen til Torsten 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHK2-XBW

 

Name: Tosten
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 12 Jul 1835
Event Place: Bragernes, Buskerud, Norway
Event Place (Original): Bragernes Drammen, Buskerud, Norway
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 May 1835
Father's Name: Elen Andersen
Mother's Name: Maren Tostensdr
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Et langskudd dette:

 

Her er en Anne født 1826, far Niels Pedersen, Moseng, Tolga, Hedmark.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013284834

 

Nr. 16 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603440467

 

1865 FT 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038049003832

 

 

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Sven Hjortland
9 minutter siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

Et langskudd dette:

 

Her er en Anne født 1826, far Niels Pedersen, Moseng, Tolga, Hedmark.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013284834

 

 

Riktig fødselsdato, men 1 år forskjell i forhold til FAG, men det er nok samme person.

 

Anne Anderson

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Anne Anderson

Birth Date:27 Apr 1827

Death Date:29 Dec 1895

Cemetery:Miller Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Silverton, Marion County, Oregon, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:Thorsten Anderson

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Lars E. Øyane

Innlegg #20:

 

Hjarteleg takk til Anton, Anne og Sven for mange supre og spennande innlegg!  Eg er skikkeleg imponert!

 

Det er tydeleg at vigselsattesten til Thomas frå Vernon Co., WI 67.2.1882 har leia oss på «vanskelege» stiar: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XR2P-H9B

 

Denne attesten seier Thomas H. Nash, men det er utan tvil same mann; foreldri hans var Henrik Torbjørnson Næs alias Henry Torgerson, og mori var Berit Tollefsdotter Haugen frå Slidre i Valdres.  Borni skreiv seg for det meste Torgerson!  Den einaste forklaringi eg kan finna, er følgjande:

 

Thomas må ha vore gift TO gongar.

 

Og her fann eg no vigsli til Thomas og Tilla:

POLK C/159 06/11/1887 TORGERSON, T H ANDERSON, TILLA A

 

Då oppstår spørsmåli:

 

* Kven var denne første kona Bertha O. Nash?

 

* Og kvar vart det av ho?

 

* Fekk dei born i lag?

 

Her følgjer eit oppdatert manuskript for denne huslyden:

 

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e. Thomas Torgerson, f. i Crawford Co., Wis. 18.1.1862, d. i Vancouver, Wash. 10.11.1892.  Thomas gifte seg første gongen i Vernon Co., Wis. 6.2.1882 med Bertha O.

 

     ##### (middle name?)

 

     Nash,

 

     ##### (daughter of Andrew Nash and Ragnhild – who was she?? – info?)

 

     So gifte Thomas seg 11.6.1887 att i Polk Col., Minn. med Tilla Anette Torstensdotter Andersen frå Bragernes, i Amerika kjend som Tilla Anderson.  Ho var dotter av bøkkar Torsten Ellendson Andersen på Landfall på Bragernes, opphavleg frå Drammen, og første kona Anna Eliasdotter frå ein plass under Sørgefoss i Norderhov og f. på Bragernes 14.7.1865, men utvandra til Amerika med foreldri sine i 1866.

 

     ##### (eller 1867?)

 

     Ho d. i Sweet Home, Ore. 6.7.1930.  Thomas Torgerson var arbeidar («laborer»), og han og Tilla budde i Vancouver, Clark Co., Wash., men som enkje gifte Tilla seg att i Vancouver, Wash. 7.10.1897 med enkjemannen John C.

 

     ##### (middle name?)

 

     Miller, f. i Henrico Co., Va. 28.1.1847.  Han d. i Vancouver, Wash. 7.10.1902.  John og Tilla farma i Manor precinct, Clark Co., Wash., men då ho på ny vart enkje, flytte Tilla til Canby, Clackamas Co., Ore.  Ho fekk i alt tre born, som alle var frå første ekteskapet med Thomas, men John Miller hadde òg to born frå to tidlegare ekteskap.

 

     ##### (hadde Thomas born med første kona si??)

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å komplettera denne biografien!

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15 minutes ago, Lars E. Øyane said:

 

Denne attesten seier Thomas H. Nash, men det er utan tvil same mann; foreldri hans var Henrik Torbjørnson Næs alias Henry Torgerson, og mori var Berit Tollefsdotter Haugen frå Slidre i Valdres.  Borni skreiv seg for det meste Torgerson!  Den einaste forklaringi eg kan finna, er følgjande:

 

Thomas Hendrikson Nash

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

Name:Thomas Hendrikson Nash

Gender:Male

Record Type:Marriage 

Marriage Date:6 Feb 1881

Marriage Place:Vernon, Wisconsin, USA

Spouse:Bertha Olina Andersdr Nash

Church Name:West Prairie Lutheran Church

Church Location:Vernon County, Wisconsin

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=60722&h=1643073&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=4997

 

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år  ?

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35 minutter siden, Lars E. Øyane skrev:

Bertha O.

     ##### (middle name?)

Olina

 

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60722&h=9595756&tid=&pid=&queryId=1423e3b789a5a120019eeec8837f3f7f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ITW6615&_phstart=successSource

 

Name: Bertha Olina Andersdr Nass
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 6 Feb 1881
Marriage Place: West Prairie, Wisconsin, USA
Spouse: Thomas Hendrikson
Church Name: West Prairie
Church Location: West Prairie, Wisconsin
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Lars E. Øyane

Innlegg #23:

 

Hjarteleg takk til Anton og Sven for siste innleggi!

 

Eg er ganske so sikker på at vigselsåret var 1882, sjå òg det offisielle registeret.  Interessant er det uansett at Bertha har fått mellomnamnet Oline, og eg har ein sterk mistanke, om me tek omsyn til det tette bandet denne ætti hadde med Highland Lutheran church i Fillmore Co., MN (der mellom anna tanta Britha Sanderson Fossen budde), at dette godt KAN vera den Bertha Oline me leiter etter:

 

Berte Oline, f. 9.11.1862 av foreldri Anders Olson og Ragnhild Olsdotter: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60722/images/41742_314738-00846?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=1aa1977a2b11bd6afa1e8422e8a98285&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx22078&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.136584752.1695409772.1606056092-1442769865.1532627837&pId=1639488

 

Ei søster Marte er f. same stad 17.1.1861: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60722/images/41742_314738-00840?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=1aa1977a2b11bd6afa1e8422e8a98285&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx22078&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.136584752.1695409772.1606056092-1442769865.1532627837&pId=1639488

 

Her er vigsli til foreldri:

 

Name: Andrew Oleson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 24 Mar 1860
Marriage Place: Fillmore, Minnesota
Spouse's Name: Ragnhld Olesdatter
Spouse Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage
FHL Film Number: 1316804

 

Men kvar kjem Nash-namnet ifrå?

 

Og her er Bertha O. Nash i Norway township, Fillmore Co., MN i 1880 - 17 år ugift: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYB2-9ZFT

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å komplettera denne biografien!

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