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Caroline Falk
12 minutes ago, Per.H.Skaug said:

Initially we were all responding in Norwegian to Karina, who made the Original Post, but now that you are on the thread, I think most of us wil try our best to respond in English. I am sure we can try to give at least a rough transcription if there is meaningful information in any of the records.

Karina is a star! she has been so kind and encouraging. I would not be searching so well without her.

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Ja, det er nok ikke denne karen - her er vel Hans og Ane i FT 1875 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052358000158   Sykdomstilstand: Spedalsk

Noe av utfordringen med et navn som Falch, er vel at det ikke nødvendigvis er ført i folketellinger og kirkebok, det kan jo ha vært patronymikonet som ble brukt mest?

Caroline, I think Egil was wondering about the original, not the transcribed extract. Quite often, English speakers will misunderstand Norwegian names and places (happens to me all the time, today). E

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The opening post says that Christian Falk had a somewhat dodgy reputation as a police officer. Could be true, after all he was caught stealing in 1878 after his career as a police constable was over. But he sure got some hassle from various individuals when he was a police constable. To his defence, I expect being a police officer in the 1870s was a rough trade.

 

The Derby Mercury (Derby, Derbyshire, England)

14 Jun 1876, Wed

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14 Jun 1876, 3 - The Derby Mercury at Newspapers.com

 

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The Derby Mercury (Derby, Derbyshire, England)

31 May 1876, Wed

Page 8

 

31 May 1876, 8 - The Derby Mercury at Newspapers.com

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The Derby Mercury (Derby, Derbyshire, England)

18 Jun 1873, Wed

Page 3

 

18 Jun 1873, 3 - The Derby Mercury at Newspapers.com

 

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Frank Marton Pedersen
On 4/13/2021 at 6:32 PM, Frank Marton Pedersen said:

 

Allsopp and Sons var et stort bryggeri i Burton:

 

Allsopp & Sons Ltd - Brewery History Society Wiki

 

Det kan se ut som at Christian var ansatt som vaktmann her i 1878.

 

(Messrs. tror jeg er det samme som Mr.) 

 

Allsopp & Sons Ltd was a large company at the time Christian Falk was employed as a watchman. Looks like the company archive is linked up here:

 

Samuel Allsopp & Sons Ltd, brewers | The National Archives

 

Looks like the staff records are available from 1882, and possibly earlier if you are lucky?

I suppose it´s likely that Christian was fired after stealing in 1878, but it could be well worth investigating this further. 

 

 

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På 14.4.2021 den 15.46, Inger Karin Haarbye skrev:

Har denne vært vurdert? Hans Christian Falch f. 19. febr. 1842 på Edøy. #14:

 

Møre og Romsdal county, Edøy, Brattvær, Hopen in Edøy, Parish register (official) no. 581A04 (1836-1852), Born and baptised 1842, Page 24
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070913660026
Permanent image-link: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070913660026.jpg

 

 

 

Det er mye mulig...må følge han videre og se hvor han evt dør da? Moren her heter jo Falck, og fadder med navn Falck. Far er da trolig Peder Jørgensen Veien f. 1820 fra Veiholmen, Edøy. Han gifter seg med Johanna 27/9-18757. Dette kan være et bra spor. Fant du noe mer på denne Hans Chr?

yes it may be. He is a illegitimate child. Must follow him to see where he dies. Mothers name is Falck, and among the witnesses from his baptizm ther are more Falck's. Peder came from Veiholmen, Edøy. He being bachelor and she was a spinster, he marry Johanna 27/9-1857. Mother of Hans Chr. was Alet Falck. 

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21 timer siden, Frank Marton Pedersen skrev:

The opening post says that Christian Falk had a somewhat dodgy reputation as a police officer. Could be true, after all he was caught stealing in 1878 after his career as a police constable was over. But he sure got some hassle from various individuals when he was a police constable. To his defence, I expect being a police officer in the 1870s was a rough trade.

 

The Derby Mercury (Derby, Derbyshire, England)

14 Jun 1876, Wed

Page 3

 

14 Jun 1876, 3 - The Derby Mercury at Newspapers.com

 

image.png.1b8349f838d26798521b10578d9081be.png

 

 

 

 

The Derby Mercury (Derby, Derbyshire, England)

31 May 1876, Wed

Page 8

 

31 May 1876, 8 - The Derby Mercury at Newspapers.com

image.png.a0a21067e1063135f007e4cffc912876.png

 

 

 

 

The Derby Mercury (Derby, Derbyshire, England)

18 Jun 1873, Wed

Page 3

 

18 Jun 1873, 3 - The Derby Mercury at Newspapers.com

 

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Your findings are remarkable;-) 

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34 minutter siden, Karina Huseby skrev:

Det er mye mulig...må følge han videre og se hvor han evt dør da? Moren her heter jo Alet Falck, og fadder med navn Falck. Far er da trolig Peder Jørgensen Veien f. 1820 fra Veiholmen, Edøy. Han gifter seg med Johanna 27/9-1857. Dette kan være et bra spor faktisk. Fant du noe mer på denne Hans Chr?

yes it may be. He is a illegitimate child. Must follow him to see where he dies. Mothers name is Alet Falck, and among the witnesses from his baptizm there are more Falck's. Peder came from Veiholmen, Edøy. He being bachelor and she was a spinster, he marry Johanna 27/9-1857?? 

Peder and Alet married 29/-1842:  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000009274614

 

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26 minutter siden, Karina Huseby skrev:

Det er mye mulig...må følge han videre og se hvor han evt dør da? Moren her heter jo Falck, og fadder med navn Falck. Far er da trolig Peder Jørgensen Veien f. 1820 fra Veiholmen, Edøy. Han gifter seg med Johanna 27/9-18757. Dette kan være et bra spor. Fant du noe mer på denne Hans Chr?

yes it may be. He is a illegitimate child. Must follow him to see where he dies. Mothers name is Falck, and among the witnesses from his baptizm ther are more Falck's. Peder came from Veiholmen, Edøy. He being bachelor and she was a spinster, he marry Johanna 27/9-1857. Mother of Hans Chr. was Alet Falck.

 

@Karina Huseby

 

Les postene videre etter Inger Karin's post.....

 

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48 minutter siden, Karina Huseby skrev:

Det er mye mulig...må følge han videre og se hvor han evt dør da? Moren her heter jo Falck, og fadder med navn Falck. Far er da trolig Peder Jørgensen Veien f. 1820 fra Veiholmen, Edøy. Han gifter seg med Johanna 27/9-18757. Dette kan være et bra spor. Fant du noe mer på denne Hans Chr?

yes it may be. He is a illegitimate child. Must follow him to see where he dies. Mothers name is Falck, and among the witnesses from his baptizm ther are more Falck's. Peder came from Veiholmen, Edøy. He being bachelor and she was a spinster, he marry Johanna 27/9-1857. Mother of Hans Chr. was Alet Falck. 

Confirmation 16 aug 1857 nr https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2287/14576/13

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Caroline Falk
On 4/14/2021 at 2:05 PM, Egil Johannessen said:

Census 1871 - do you have the scanned original? If so, can you determine whether it states Christiansund or Christiansand?

 

England and Wales Census, 1871https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDD6-J7G

Name: Christian Falk
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Horninglow, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Horninglow, Staffordshire, England
Sub-District: Burton Upon Trent
Enumeration District: 25
Sex: Male
Age: 29
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Police Constable
Birth Year (Estimated): 1842
Birthplace: Christiansund, Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/2907/0158


Household    Role    Sex    Age    Birthplace
Christian Falk    Head    M    29    Christiansund, Norway
Elizabeth Falk    Wife    F    27    Bristol St Philip'S, Gloucestershire
Joseph John Falk    Son    M    2    Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Edward Falk    Son    M    0    Gloucester, Gloucestershire

 

 

 

On 4/14/2021 at 3:05 PM, Per.H.Skaug said:

I konfirmasjonen som Egil har funnet og ved fødselen av kandidaten til Inger Karin, står det jo at faren heter Peder, så denne må jo i høyeste grad være interessant!

 

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Caroline Falk

Hello,

Thankyou for all for the help and interest given to me as I search for the birthplace and Family of my Great Great Grandfather Christian Falk.

I wonder if there is an address or website where I could tell the story that I have got so far, and show all the documents I have collected over the years  I have been researching. Any contact details where I could share the story would be amazing.

kindest regards

Caroline

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Hei 

Christian Pedersen Falck from Astafjord/Gratangen/Ibestad parish in Troms has a son Peder Christiansen Falck born 1819, who marry 1859 to 12 yr younger Ingeborg Anna Hansdt. b. 1831. Can this be his sec wife? What if Peder C Falck had a son Christian Pedersen Falck from previous marriage? Can someone look into this? Troms is far from Kr.sund, but Christian can have moved south?

Astafjord;  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000006507908 

Old Peder C Falck dies: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000002097384

 

Same person on Boldnæs?? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000006245588

 

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Here is Peder Falck at the census in 1875, with wife and son Kristian Fredrik b 1861 in Ibestad. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052447007632

 

It is of course still  possible that he may have had a son Christian born in a pervious marriage, but probably not likely to name a second son with the same name if he was still alive.

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Here is Peder in a previous marriage in 1855 to Synne Marie Jensdatter https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000006245588

 

She died in or just after childbirth in 1857, but I have not included the links here as they don't seem relevant.

 

Still not impossible that he could have had a previous marriage with a son ending up in Kristiansund, but probably not likely.

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