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Barbara Scates

Albertine is my great great grandmother and married Ditlev Moller Ditlevson in Hordaland, Norway in 1862. 

 

Although I have searched on this site, Family Search and Ancestry I am having a hard time confirming who her father and mother are. 

 

I have to say that EVERYONE on this site is to helpful and have given me lots of information. I truly appreciate your kindness.

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Anton Hagelee

Inge was kind enough to find the various records for you but it is also possible to search for them in Ancestry.com and then go to the original record in the Digitalarkivet parish records.  Here is the transcribed marriage in Ancestry. 

 

Albertine Soffie Elvig

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Albertine Soffie Elvig
[Albertine Soffie Elvik] 

Gender:Female

Age:22

Birth Date:1840

Marriage Date:2 okt 1862 (2 Oct 1862)

Marriage Place:Sveio, Hordaland, Norway

Father:Arne Elvik

Spouse:Ditlef Moller Ditlefsen

FHL Film Number:278088

Reference ID:2:1G39C32

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1NorwayMarriages&indiv=try&h=3254999

 

Something I find quite useful are the "Suggested Records" down the right side of the page. Buried in that list is also her baptism record. 

You do have to be careful to not be mislead since some of the Suggested Records will not be for the person featured on the page.

 

And it was probably easier to search for the marriage of Ditlef as his name is quite distinctive. 

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1NorwayMarriages&indiv=try&h=3254997

 

 

 

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Here is the baptism  record for Albertine from the list. 

 

Albertine Sophie

 in the Norway, Births and Christenings, 1648-1903

Name:Albertine Sophie

Gender:Female

Christening Age:0

Birth Date:1 jan 1840

Christening Date:1 mar 1840

Christening Place:Bergen, Hordaland, Norway

Father:Arne Elvig

Mother:Johanne Johnsdr

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=wevri_NorwayBirth&indiv=try&h=928896

 

Clicking on the name Arne Elvig brings up a new list of Suggested Records. In this list there are two Arne Elvig's. From the baptism record you know that you want the one with the wife named Johanne Johnsdatter. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Finding the marriage of Arne Elvig and Johanne Johnsdatter on Ancestry is a little more difficult since you do not know the last name of Arne. But I did search for Arne and Johann* Joh* with a marriage date of 1835 =/- 10 in Hordaland and found two in Bergen.  One 1831 and one 1844. Then you need to figure out which one. 

 

Inge made it easy for you with her link but sometimes it is not so easy. 

 

Arne Arnesen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Arne Arnesen

Gender:Male

Marital status:Single

Age:29

Birth Date:1802

Marriage Date:17 jul 1831

Marriage Place:Bergen, Bergen, Norway

Father:Arne Monsen Elvig

Spouse:Johanne Johnsdatter

FHL Film Number:123736

Reference ID:bk2B p542 cn18

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=60095&h=352952&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=60095

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The marriage record for Inge gives the names of the fathers. For Arne that is Arne Monsen Elvig. So this is likely Arne Monsen on the Elvig farm in the 1801 Census. And now you have the name of his wife and some of their other children. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058386000120

 

Arne Monsen and Birtha Nilsdatter were likely married in 1795 in Hamre parish. 

 

Arne Monsen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Arne Monsen

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:2 jul 1795

Marriage Place:Hamre,Hordaland,Norway

Spouse:Britha Nilsdr

FHL Film Number:124517

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=XWW2&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=60095&gsfn=arne&gsln=monsen&gsfn_x=1&gsln_x=1&msgdy=1800&msgdy_x=1&msgdp=10&msgpn__ftp=hordaland&msgpn__ftp_x=1&new=1&rank=1&uidh=bz3&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=0&h=3318331&recoff=&ml_rpos=1&queryId=dc089fcd0e5ba7c3899c049da093ab23

 

Arne Monsen Elvig and Britha Nilsdatter Rejstad , fourth record down on the left page. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050826040559

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000896234

 

 

 

 

 

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Barbara Scates
4 hours ago, Inge Nygård said:

Marriage in 1862 (no. 6): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070222720155

 

Albertine born 1840 (no. 16): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070321640684

 

Her parent's married (no. 18): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070416630692

 

4 hours ago, Inge Nygård said:

Inge, thank you so much. I did have some of the information but I was never confident that I had the correct father - Arne Elvig. I put Arne Nielsen Elvig on my tree as her father and Johanne Bergitte Johansdatter as her mother. I have never been certain if I was correct since I seem to find so many of the same name. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Finding the marriage of Arne Elvig and Johanne Johnsdatter on Ancestry is a little more difficult since you do not know the last name of Arne. But I did search for Arne and Johann* Joh* with a marriage date of 1835 =/- 10 in Hordaland and found two in Bergen.  One 1831 and one 1844. Then you need to figure out which one. 

 

Inge made it easy for you with her link but sometimes it is not so easy. 

 

Arne Arnesen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Arne Arnesen

Gender:Male

Marital status:Single

Age:29

Birth Date:1802

Marriage Date:17 jul 1831

Marriage Place:Bergen, Bergen, Norway

Father:Arne Monsen Elvig

Spouse:Johanne Johnsdatter

FHL Film Number:123736

Reference ID:bk2B p542 cn18

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=60095&h=352952&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=60095

Yes, sometimes it is not easy because I have torn between which Arne is the father - Elvig or Arnesen or are they the same person. On my tree, bs796 I have quite a lot of information but I am not confident it is right. As for Johanne, that too is a common name that pops up.

 

This site has taught me a lot - especially not to take the hints off of Ancestry. I have been using Family Search a lot and also this site and I just type in the information. 

 

I just needed another set of eyes on this. 

 

Thank you for your advice!

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4 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

The marriage record for Inge gives the names of the fathers. For Arne that is Arne Monsen Elvig. So this is likely Arne Monsen on the Elvig farm in the 1801 Census. And now you have the name of his wife and some of their other children. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058386000120

 

Arne Monsen and Birtha Nilsdatter were likely married in 1795 in Hamre parish. 

 

Arne Monsen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Arne Monsen

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:2 jul 1795

Marriage Place:Hamre,Hordaland,Norway

Spouse:Britha Nilsdr

FHL Film Number:124517

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=XWW2&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=60095&gsfn=arne&gsln=monsen&gsfn_x=1&gsln_x=1&msgdy=1800&msgdy_x=1&msgdp=10&msgpn__ftp=hordaland&msgpn__ftp_x=1&new=1&rank=1&uidh=bz3&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=0&h=3318331&recoff=&ml_rpos=1&queryId=dc089fcd0e5ba7c3899c049da093ab23

 

Arne Monsen Elvig and Britha Nilsdatter Rejstad , fourth record down on the left page. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050826040559

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000896234

 

4 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

 

I always wondered if it was Arne Monsen! I found that on the link you provided some time ago and printed it out. I keep a file folder of "possibilities".

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Barbara Scates said:

Yes, sometimes it is not easy because I have torn between which Arne is the father - Elvig or Arnesen or are they the same person. On my tree, bs796 I have quite a lot of information but I am not confident it is right. As for Johanne, that too is a common name that pops up.

 

There seems to be two separate families using the farm name of Elvig. 

 

First comes Arne Arnesen Elvig and his wife Johanne Johansdatter, both born around 1800.  They had several children ending with Johanne Regine born 17 Oct 1847. Arne Arnesen seems to have died between that date and the 1865 Census where Johanne is a widow. 

 

Census 1865 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038249022639

 

Then there is Arne Nielsen Elvig and his wife Eli Nielsdatter Flaesland married in 1851 and with several children beginning with Niels Andreas born in 1851 and ending with Arne Arnesen born about 1856-1857. Based on the 1865 and 1875 Census, Arne Nielsen and Eli Nielsdatter are still alive and still married. I would then assume that there is no connection between the two families and that Johanne Johansdatter was only married once and to Arne Arnesen. 

 

1865 Census 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038249020344

 

1875 Census 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052295022350

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Barbara Scates said:

This site has taught me a lot - especially not to take the hints off of Ancestry. I have been using Family Search a lot and also this site and I just type in the information. 

 

Yes, the hints on Ancestry can be quite misleading and so you need to be careful as to how you use them. One item to caution you on is people and places. If you find that  part of the family is  in Hordaland then you need to assume that most if not all of the rest of the family will also be found  in Hordaland. People in Norway tended to stay in the same area for many years and when they did move they did not move very far. It is not impossible for them to move from Hedmark to Hordaland but it is rare enough so that if you think a person in your tree did change "fylke" such as from Hedmark to Hordaland you need to get good documentation on the person. 

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In the farmbook for Elvik Hamre:

Arne Monsen Elvik 1773-1856 married 1. 1795 with Brita Nilsdtr. Reigstad 1770-1826, children: Mons 1796-1858, Nils 1799-1867, Arne 1802-died before 1856, he is the Inherit succesion dead with 5 children: Bernt Nicolai, Albert Johan, Carl August, Albertine Sophie, Johanne Regine. Lars 1805-1848, Johannes 1808 and Ole 1812. Arne Married 2 1827 Anne Jensdtr. Mele 1782-1864

Arnes father: Mons Johannesen Solbjørg 1717-1800 married 1748 Guri Olsdtr. Hartveit 1729-1794, children: Johannes 1749-1750, Johannes 1751(In 1828 Store Sandviken) Ole 1753-1814, Ingeborg 1756-1838, Marta 1758-1772, Sygni 1760-1791, Arne 1762-1772, Anna 1765-1772, Marte 1767-1772, Arne 1773-1856

Reigstad Nils Nilsen Reigstad 1747-1792 1. married 1769 Marta Larsdtr. Søre Reigstad(dtr. off Lars Jensen Reigstad) 1742-1789 2. married 1790 Anne Olsdtr. Reigstad 1752-1832. Children: Nils 1769-1769, Brita 1770-1826, Nils 1793(in Bergen 1794) Lars 1776-1776, Ingeborg 1778-1778, Ingeborg 1780-1849, Nils 1793-1846.

 


 
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Looking at your Family Tree on Ancestry, it seems to me that if you separate the two families of Arne Arnesen Elvig and Arne Nielsen Elvig you will do a lot to clean up the tree. As for Johanne Johansdatter, the amount of information we have on her that we can rely on is not very much. From the marriage record provided by Inge you know she was born about 1804 and her father is Johan Jensen Moldestad. The marriage record and 1875 Census give her birth place as either Nordfjord or Gloppen. So she likely was born in Sogn og Fjordane. Here we are changing fylke but we have good records to guide us. 

 

Moldstad farm is found in Gloppen.  Now the trick is to see if we can find a Johan Jensen associated with the farm. 

 

 

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There is a Jon Jensen on Moldestad in Gloppen in the 1801 Census 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058409002583

 

Based on what we know from above this looks like the baptism of your Johanne Johnsdatter born in 1804 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000009072693

 

You wil find the original record for her baptism as the fourth record down in the right hand column of the left page. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070228300489

 

 

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Based on the 1801 Census, this is likely the marriage of Jon Jensen and Synneve Rasmusdatter 

 

Jon Jenssen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Jon Jenssen

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:31 okt 1784 (31 Oct 1784)

Marriage Place:, Gloppen, Sogn Og Fjordane, Norway

Spouse:Synneve Rasmusdr

FHL Film Number:126401

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1NorwayMarriages&indiv=try&h=4969921

 

Record is second one down in the second column on the left hand page. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070228300330

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

 

Yes, the hints on Ancestry can be quite misleading and so you need to be careful as to how you use them. One item to caution you on is people and places. If you find that  part of the family is  in Hordaland then you need to assume that most if not all of the rest of the family will also be found  in Hordaland. People in Norway tended to stay in the same area for many years and when they did move they did not move very far. It is not impossible for them to move from Hedmark to Hordaland but it is rare enough so that if you think a person in your tree did change "fylke" such as from Hedmark to Hordaland you need to get good documentation on the person. 

Wow, I didn't know that. What great information!

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15 hours ago, Rune Bergesen said:

Arne Monsen Elvik 1773-1856 married 1. 1795 with Brita Nilsdtr. Reigstad 1770-1826, children: Mons 1796-1858, Nils 1799-1867, Arne 1802-died before 1856, he is the Inherit succesion dead with 5 children: Bernt Nicolai, Albert Johan, Carl August, Albertine Sophie, Johanne Regine. Lars 1805-1848, Johannes 1808 and Ole 1812. Arne Married 2 1827 Anne Jensdtr. Mele 1782-1864

Wow, thank you Rune!

 

15 hours ago, Rune Bergesen said:

Arne Monsen Elvik 1773-1856 married 1. 1795 with Brita Nilsdtr. Reigstad 1770-1826, children: Mons 1796-1858, Nils 1799-1867, Arne 1802-died before 1856, he is the Inherit succesion dead with 5 children: Bernt Nicolai, Albert Johan, Carl August, Albertine Sophie, Johanne Regine. Lars 1805-1848, Johannes 1808 and Ole 1812. Arne Married 2 1827 Anne Jensdtr. Mele 1782-1864

Arnes father: Mons Johannesen Solbjørg 1717-1800 married 1748 Guri Olsdtr. Hartveit 1729-1794, children: Johannes 1749-1750, Johannes 1751(In 1828 Store Sandviken) Ole 1753-1814, Ingeborg 1756-1838, Marta 1758-1772, Sygni 1760-1791, Arne 1762-1772, Anna 1765-1772, Marte 1767-1772, Arne 1773-1856

Reigstad Nils Nilsen Reigstad 1747-1792 1. married 1769 Marta Larsdtr. Søre Reigstad(dtr. off Lars Jensen Reigstad) 1742-1789 2. married 1790 Anne Olsdtr. Reigstad 1752-1832. Children: Nils 1769-1769, Brita 1770-1826, Nils 1793(in Bergen 1794) Lars 1776-1776, Ingeborg 1778-1778, Ingeborg 1780-1849, Nils 1793-1846.

Thank you Rune!

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15 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Looking at your Family Tree on Ancestry, it seems to me that if you separate the two families of Arne Arnesen Elvig and Arne Nielsen Elvig you will do a lot to clean up the tree.

Yes, I need to clean it up. I tend to put a person in while I am researching and delete later but in hindsight I think I should create a "research tree" and put my guesses there in case someone is looking at my tree on Ancestry for information. I don't want to mess anyone up. You have always been so helpful Anton. Thank you. 

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Here is the confirmation of the Johanne Jonsdatter Moldestad in Gloppen parish, Sogn and Fjordane in 1819.

 

Nr. 13 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070228300669

 

This is the lady that, I think married  Arne Arnesen in the 1831 record posted by Inge. Now of course she is from Gloppen, Sogn og Fjordane not Hordaland where Arne is from, but the two fylke are next to one another and if you look at emigrations from Gloppen they tend to be toward Bergen where the marriage took place. 

 

The marriage record lists the bride's birth place as Nordfjord/Gloppen, Nordfjorden runs through Gloppen so much the same. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordfjorden_(Vestland)

 

 

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Anton, firstly I appreciate the fact that you clarify so much. Inge found some great records and the fact that you "explained in detail" what some of them contained is helping me so much. Ha, I am tired and am getting Arne Arnesen mixed up with Arne Monsen Elvik.....ha ha. I print out lead that you, Inge anI d Rune have given me so I don't mess up. 

 

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1 hour ago, Barbara Scates said:

Ha, I am tired and am getting Arne Arnesen mixed up with Arne Monsen Elvik.....ha ha. I print out lead that you, Inge anI d Rune have given me so I don't mess up. 

 

Albertine Sophie born 1840

 

Parents are

 

Arne Arnesen Elvig b1802 and  Johanne Johansdatter b 1804 were married in 1831 in Bergen.

 

Parents of Arne are Arne Monsen Elvig b 1773 and Birtha Nilsdatter Rejsted b 1770 were married in 1795 in Hamre, Hordaland.

 

Parents of Johanne b 1803 are John (Jon) Jensen Moldestad b 1745 and Synneve Rasmusdatter Sandalen b 1764 were married in 1784 in Gloppen, Sogn og Fjordane.

 

 

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Putting together the above chart brought this record up 

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1NorwayMarriages&indiv=try&h=4969921

 

Goes with this record from above. 

 

Jon Jenssen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Jon Jenssen

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:31 okt 1784 (31 Oct 1784)

Marriage Place:, Gloppen, Sogn Og Fjordane, Norway

Spouse:Synneve Rasmusdr

FHL Film Number:126401

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=FS1NorwayMarriages&indiv=try&h=4969921

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Barbara Scates said:

Thank you Anton! Cleaning everything up now......

 

I took a peek at your tree. It looks great. If half of the tree's on Ancestry were that good we would be spared a lot of problems. 

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Now to go further back in time takes some work. It is difficult to go back on the parish records since they run out about 1700 or so. One way to approach it is to use  the Bygdebøker as Rune did above. But people moved from farm to farm and you need to know the names of the farms they lived on to be able to look them up in the Bydgebok. And you need to have access to the Bygdebok. 

 

One approach I use is to find the family on a web tree. I prefer Geni.com since it can be used by anyone and you can easily contact the profile manager. The downside is that you rarely find sources on Geni.com. But you can sometimes find the farm names and use that to guide you to the farm in the Bygdebok to see if you can find some collaboration. Bygdebøker are not primary sources but back to the 1600's they are the best we have. 

 

For your tree here is a Geni.com tree.  The tree is missing some children including your Arne?

Mons Johannesen Solbjørg / Gjerstad icn_world.gif?1626906062

Norwegian: Mons Johanneson Gjerstad
Gender: Male
Birth: 1717
Death:

1800 (82-83)

 

https://www.geni.com/people/Mons-Johannesen-Solbjørg-Gjerstad/6000000144742538821

 

 

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