In Search Of Information Regarding Albertine Sophie Elvig, born January 7, 1840 in Hordaland, Norway

[Barbara Scates]

6 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

 

I took a peek at your tree. It looks great. If half of the tree's on Ancestry were that good we would be spared a lot of problems. 

Well, all of the credit goes to you and the other researchers that help me. I know I have said this time-and-time again but I TRULY APPRECIATE THE HELP. I am meticulous and always want everything right. I am getting the hand of "your" site. I just get hung up with the names - ELVIK or ELVIG. Arne Arnesen or Arne Elvig. Ha ha without all of the information I couldn't be doing so well. Also, the mere fact that all of you found the true name of my great grandfather and gave me information on Ditlef Moller was so exciting I can't stop talking about it at home. Of course those I am talking to don't really care. I will probably find some more things to ask but I don't want to overstay my welcome. I try hard to find it myself and have learned valuable techniques here.

[Anton Hagelee]

The Geni.com tree takes you back to 

 

https://www.geni.com/people/Mons-Johannesen-Solbjørg-Gjerstad/6000000144742538821

 

It would appear that the first records of the family line start at the Gjerstad farm with Olav. You probably can find reference to this family in the section on Gjerstad in the correct Bygdebok. Now you need to either get access to that Bygdebok or have a kind person like Rune look it up for you and post it in this thread. I can provide you with a person at UND you can do lookups for you for a very modest fee. I need to gather the info first such as his email etc. 

 

Olav Olavson 

Gender:	Male
Birth:	circa 1629
Immediate Family:	Husband of NN  Father of Mons Olavson Gjerstad

Endret Juli 26, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

My go to guy for Bygdebok information is "Swanson, Michael" <michael.l.swanson@und.edu>

 

https://und.edu/directory/michael.l.swanson

 

Office Address

Michael.l.swanon@und.edu

 

https://apps.library.und.edu/bygdebok/

 

https://apps.library.und.edu/bygdebok/place/112

 

 

Endret Juli 26, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

21 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

One approach I use is to find the family on a web tree. I prefer Geni.com since it can be used by anyone and you can easily contact the profile manager. The downside is that you rarely find sources on Geni.com.

I'm going to do that.

[Barbara Scates]

On 7/24/2021 at 9:38 PM, Rune Bergesen said:

n the farmbook for Elvik Hamre:

Arne Monsen Elvik 1773-1856 married 1. 1795 with Brita Nilsdtr. Reigstad 1770-1826, children: Mons 1796-1858, Nils 1799-1867, Arne 1802-died before 1856, he is the Inherit succesion dead with 5 children: Bernt Nicolai, Albert Johan, Carl August, Albertine Sophie, Johanne Regine. Lars 1805-1848, Johannes 1808 and Ole 1812. Arne Married 2 1827 Anne Jensdtr. Mele 1782-1864

Anton or Rune...when the book states "Arne 1802 died before 1856, HE IS THE INHERIT SUCCESION DEAD WITH 5 CHILDREN, does the above mean that Mons, Nils, Arne are Arne Monsen's children and that Bernt, Albert, Carl, Albertine, Johanne, Lars, Johannes and Ole are Arne Arnesen's. children. I assume that what it means but I want to make sure I have it right.

[Anton Hagelee]

12 minutes ago, Barbara Scates said:

Anton or Rune...when the book states "Arne 1802 died before 1856, HE IS THE INHERIT SUCCESION DEAD WITH 5 CHILDREN, does the above mean that Mons, Nils, Arne are Arne Monsen's children and that Bernt, Albert, Carl, Albertine, Johanne, Lars, Johannes and Ole are Arne Arnesen's. children. I assume that what it means but I want to make sure I have it right.

 

Probably but let me check it out. Also the list of children on this page of your tree seems to have an incorrect list of children. The only correct one would be Arne Monsen Elvig. The children of Mons Johannesen Solbjorg would need to have the last name of Monsen. 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/156613220/person/162305304960/facts

 

 

Endret Juli 26, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

On 7/24/2021 at 9:38 PM, Rune Bergesen said:

Arnes father: Mons Johannesen Solbjørg 1717-1800 married 1748 Guri Olsdtr. Hartveit 1729-1794, children: Johannes 1749-1750, Johannes 1751(In 1828 Store Sandviken) Ole 1753-1814, Ingeborg 1756-1838, Marta 1758-1772, Sygni 1760-1791, Arne 1762-1772, Anna 1765-1772, Marte 1767-1772, Arne 1773-1856

Anton, I took that from the list Rune posted. Guess I interpreted it wrong

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, Barbara Scates said:

Anton, I took that from the list Rune posted. Guess I interpreted it wrong

 

Well not interpreted wrong, but in Norway the son of a Mons Johannesen is a Monsen not a Johannesen. And the last two in your list are the same Arne Monsen Elvig. And this is your Arne. The material form the Bygdebok states that he married twice. Second marriage Anne Jensdatter Mele. 

 

If you change the last name of the folks in your list of children to Monsen and combine the two Arness your will be correct. We do need to sort out the second wife. 

 

 

Endret Juli 26, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

So I here is Anne Jensdatter Mele in the 1801 Census. Farm name is spelled a little different but that is not unusual. The data match with the Bygdebok info from the post by Rune. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058384001972

[Barbara Scates]

39 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

So I here is Anne Jensdatter Mele in the 1801 Census. Farm name is spelled a little different but that is not unusual. The data match with the Bygdebok info from the post by Rune. 

Thanks!!!!

[Barbara Scates]

3 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

The Geni.com tree takes you back to 

Anton, wow this site does have different information. I just signed up

[Rune Bergesen]

Hi, On Reigstad farm Nils Jensen Reigstad 1686-1764 married 2. 1746 Ingeborg Olsdtr. Breistein 1717-1794, 1 time with enke Agate Olsdtr. Bierge 1679-1746, her 2. Children Nils 1747-1792

Parents to Nils J. was Jens Clemetsen Haukaas f. 1662/63-1721 married 1685 Barbru Monsdtr. Indre Hordvik 1647-1721, Breistein and Hordvik is in Åsane Sogn.

Lars Jensen Reigstad, from Gjerstad i Haus, and i Bygdebok for Gjerstad Lars Jensen Gjerstad, from 1765 on Reigstad, 1706- married 1733 Brita Sjursdtr. Vevletveit 1711-1761, children: Brita 1734-1736, Jens 1736(soldat in 1762), Brita 1739 died young, Sjur 1740-1740, Sjur 1744- Gjerstad, Johannes 1746-1774, Einar 1748-1748, Einar 1749-1769, Jari 1752-1752, Brita 1752-1752, Lars 1754-, Marta 

Jens Johnsen Blom 1666-1728 married 1699 Brita Larsdtr. Votlo, 1672-1741,children 1701-1718, girl 1704-1704, Lars 1706-, Kari 1711-1711, Kari 1714-1764 Vikno.

Hartveit in Haus. Ole Johnsen Havrå 1697-1764 married 1721 Ingebjørg Sjursdtr. Litun 1692-1736, children Anna 1724-Småland, Gudrid 1729-Solbjørg, Johannes 1734-1734, Brita 1735-1735.

Gjerstad Johannes Monsen Gjerstad 1694- married 1714 Marta Andersdtr. Gjerstad 1691-1757, children Kari 1715-1771 Solbjørg, Mons 1717-Solbjørg, Sygni 1720-1720, Marta 1720-1721, Marta 1722-1731, Sygni 1724-1753 Gjerstad, Aagota 1727 Halland, Marta 1731-1808 Vevle

Gjerstad Mons Olson 1655-1709 married to Sygni Olsdtr. 1657-1719 children Brita 1679-1760 Havrå, Ole 1681 Skistad?, Knut 1682-1745 Tjelland, Elling 1691-, Johannes 1694- Gjerstad, Helge 1696-1750 Tveitaraas, Rasmus 1697-1770 S.Veset, Maria 1700-1793. Maria 1704-

Gjerstad Anders Simonsen Gjerstad 1662-1729, they dont now the name off the wife, children Simon 1688-1737 Gjerstad, Gudmund 1691-1691, Marta 1691-1757 Gjerstad, Eilev 1695-1695, Kari 1697-1763 Rongve, Magdeli 1700-1782 Gjerstad, Johannes 1704- Litun, Jørgen 1719-1734.

 

 

 

 

 

[Barbara Scates]

30 minutes ago, Rune Bergesen said:

Hi, On Reigstad farm Nils Jensen Reigstad 1686-1764 married 2. 1746 Ingeborg Olsdtr. Breistein 1717-1794, 1 time with enke Agate Olsdtr. Bierge 1679-1746, her 2. Children Nils 1747-1792

Parents to Nils J. was Jens Clemetsen Haukaas f. 1662/63-1721 married 1685 Barbru Monsdtr. Indre Hordvik 1647-1721, Breistein and Hordvik is in Åsane Sogn.

Lars Jensen Reigstad, from Gjerstad i Haus, and i Bygdebok for Gjerstad Lars Jensen Gjerstad, from 1765 on Reigstad, 1706- married 1733 Brita Sjursdtr. Vevletveit 1711-1761, children: Brita 1734-1736, Jens 1736(soldat in 1762), Brita 1739 died young, Sjur 1740-1740, Sjur 1744- Gjerstad, Johannes 1746-1774, Einar 1748-1748, Einar 1749-1769, Jari 1752-1752, Brita 1752-1752, Lars 1754-, Marta 

Jens Johnsen Blom 1666-1728 married 1699 Brita Larsdtr. Votlo, 1672-1741,children 1701-1718, girl 1704-1704, Lars 1706-, Kari 1711-1711, Kari 1714-1764 Vikno.

Hartveit in Haus. Ole Johnsen Havrå 1697-1764 married 1721 Ingebjørg Sjursdtr. Litun 1692-1736, children Anna 1724-Småland, Gudrid 1729-Solbjørg, Johannes 1734-1734, Brita 1735-1735.

Gjerstad Johannes Monsen Gjerstad 1694- married 1714 Marta Andersdtr. Gjerstad 1691-1757, children Kari 1715-1771 Solbjørg, Mons 1717-Solbjørg, Sygni 1720-1720, Marta 1720-1721, Marta 1722-1731, Sygni 1724-1753 Gjerstad, Aagota 1727 Halland, Marta 1731-1808 Vevle

Gjerstad Mons Olson 1655-1709 married to Sygni Olsdtr. 1657-1719 children Brita 1679-1760 Havrå, Ole 1681 Skistad?, Knut 1682-1745 Tjelland, Elling 1691-, Johannes 1694- Gjerstad, Helge 1696-1750 Tveitaraas, Rasmus 1697-1770 S.Veset, Maria 1700-1793. Maria 1704-

Gjerstad Anders Simonsen Gjerstad 1662-1729, they dont now the name off the wife, children Simon 1688-1737 Gjerstad, Gudmund 1691-1691, Marta 1691-1757 Gjerstad, Eilev 1695-1695, Kari 1697-1763 Rongve, Magdeli 1700-1782 Gjerstad, Johannes 1704- Litun, Jørgen 1719-1734.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh my goodness Rune, thank you so much!

[Rune Bergesen]

Moldestad farm in Gloppen Nordfjord Jon Jensen 1746-1809 M 1784 Synneve Rasmusdtr. Sandal 1764-1817, children Jens 1784 died 6 days old, Kari 1786 M 1816 David Nilsen Øvreset to Moldestad, Rakel 1787 died 8 days old, Rakel 1788-1817, Marta 1791 M 1813 Jacob Nilsen Øvreset, Jens 1793-1797, Synneve 1802 M 1830 Jon Krispinussen Myklebust Husmand Jonplassen Moldestad, Johanne 1804, Else  died 3 years old 1809.

Jens Jonsen Reed 1718-1790 M Kari Olsdtr. Felde 1723-1807, children Jon 1746, Mari 1747 died 14 days old, Ole 1749 died 10 weeks old, Mari 1750 M 1781 Amund Antonsen Hole, Ole 1753-1821, Jacob  1755 died 2 mdns old, Else M 1781 Gabriel Nilsen Fossheim to Skinlo, Kari 1760, Jens 1764 M 1792 Brite Knudsdtr. Øvreset.

Reed Farm Jon Lauritsen died 85 aar 1756 M 1705 Kari Antonsdtr. Hetle died 81 aar 1759, children Lars 1706 lived on Hjelle 1750, Mari 1709 M 1735 Jon Jacobsen Hjorteset, lived on Oksholen Vaagsøy Selje Nordfjord, Ane 1712 M 1752 Lars Abelsen Mørkeset, Gjøde 1715 unmarried in 1750, Jens 1718, Jon 1721 M 1750 Mari Rasmusdatter Skinlo.

Reed Laurits Jonsen died 55 aar 1700 M Anne Jacobsdtr. died 60 aar 1705,childen Jon, Jens legal in 1705, Eli M 1726 enkemann Anders Knudsen Sandene Karnilsplassen, Kristense M 1. 1708 Erik Jonsen Myklebust M 2, Enkemann Krispinus Andersen Skrede on Myklebust she have a daughter Helga 1711-1724 with Knud Torsen Bjørkelo, Anne M 1709 Knud Olsen Kleppe , Randi died 59 aar 1747 have a son Jon 1724 with Anders Jonsen Klakegg, Mari 1687 tribunal 1705, Marte 1691 tribunal 1705, Jacob 1694 tribunal 1705.

Felde Ole Iversen Moldestad 1691-1744 M 1718 Mari Rasmusdtr. Felde died 63 aar 1753 childen Marte 1720, Kari 1723, Else 1729 -1744, Mari 1735 M 1760 Erik Larsen Felde, Ivar 1725 M Synneve Steinardtr. Øvreset, Ole 1731 M Siri Rasmusdatter Felde 1702-1763, Lusie 1732 with Ragnhild Gabrielsdtr. Øvreset.

Moldestad Iver Olsen Moldestad died 53 aar 1706 m Kari Jonsdtr. Felde died 17(36) children ole 1691, Inger M 1706 Rasmus Olsen Hole, Jon 1697-1713, Kari  died 37 aar 1725 M 1725 Rasmus Danielsen  Hunskaar, Jon 1700-1712

[Rune Bergesen]

Om the farm Sandal Rasmus Larsen died 52 aar 1778 M 1755 Marte Olsdtr Fossheim 1723-1799 children Synneve 1756 died  6 days old, Lars 1758, Peder 1761 M 1788 Rakel Ingebrigtsdtr. Myklebust farmer and innkeeper in Utvik, Synneve 1764.

Sandal Lars Bentsen 1702-1763 M 1725 Synneve Rasmusdtr. Bjørnarheim died 78 aar 1764 childen Rasmus 1726 dired 10 days old, Bent 1728 died 7 weeks old, Bent 1729 tribunal 1747, Rasmus born ca 1736

Sandal Bent Jacobsen died 65 aar 1728 M 1686 Eli Larsdtr. Fossheim died 70 aar 1727 children Anne 1687 M 1711 Nils Nilsen Førde on Støyva, Ole 1690-1763 M 1. Mari Ingebrigtsdtr. Berge M 2. Aagot Olsdtr. died befor 1750 on the farm Berge in Utvik Nordfjord, Rasmus 1697 M enke Ingeborg Pedersdtr. Gimmestad on Alme, Jøde 1701 died 16 weeks old, Lars 1702.

Sandal Jacob Bentsen  born ca 1625 died before 1686 children Rasmus, Else died 5 aar 1717, Bent.

Sandal Bent Jacobsen farmer 1618 M Lucie tribunal 1646 with the children Jacob and Gunhild

Fossheim Ole Jonsen  1688-1777 M 1721 Marte Steffensdtr. Bjørkelo 1696-1747 children Marte 1723, Jon 1724-1728, Steffen 1726-1732, Jn 1728-1743, Tora 1730 M 1754 Reiel Olsen Sandal, Steffen 1733-1773

Fossheim Jon Rasmussen died 75 aar 1725 M Tora Jonsdtr. died 80 aar 1743 children Anton in Bergen 1711, Ragnhild died 75 aar 1755 M 1709 Jon Nilsen Verlo Utvik, Ole 1688, Mari died ca 1739 M 1699 Amund Nilsen (Kapperstad) on Fossheim, Rasmus 1691, Jacob 1694 dired 1 day old, Nils 1691, Lars 170 tribunal 1745, have an son Absalon born 1732 with Anne Marie Mortensdtr. Ous(Eid Nordfjord)

Fossheim Laurits(Lars) Iversen died 70 aar 1704 M Magnhild Olsdtr. died 73 aar 1712 children Iver died 72 aar 1724, Eli died 70 aar 1727, Brite died 41 aar 1705 M 1692 Mathias Mikkelsen Strand

Bjørnarheim Rasmus Markussen died 72 aar 1708 M 1, Anne Andersdtr, Bergheim died 47 aar 1689, M 2. 1689 Helga Ingebrigtsdtr. Bergheim died 59 aar 1708 children Markus died 54 aar 1735, Lars to Holland sailer with Det vestindiske compani and died in Curacao Vest India in 1711, Bergitte in Bergen 1711, Anne Ugift died 84 aar 1758, Synneve  died 78 aar 1764, children 2 M. Nils 1691 M 1714 Ane Larsdtr. Egge, Oluf 1700 tribunal 1711.

Bjørnarheim Markus (Rasmussen) user i 1636 M Birgitte tribunal 1646 children Rasmus, Nils died 72 aar 1702 Støyva, Jacob died 34 1688 ond had a daughter Siri died 3 aar 1687.

[Barbara Scates]

20 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Now you need to either get access to that Bygdebok or have a kind person like Rune

Anton, look at what Rune posted!  So nice of him and you!

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, Barbara Scates said:

Anton, look at what Rune posted!  So nice of him and you!

 

Very nice of Rune. And you, you hit the jackpot!

[Anton Hagelee]

You have a real treasure trove of data from Rune. I hope you do not mind if I remind you of a feature of Norwegian life. That is the patronymic naming practice of Norwegians up to about the 1900's. The last name of the child is derived from the first name of the male parent. 

 

So the  children born to Arne Monsen Elvig would be known as Arnesen not Monsen. In your tree you have a Nils (Niels) Monsen Elvig  born in 1799 with a father named Arne Monsen. 

 

In this 1801 Census, he is listed under his name Nils Arnesen born about 1799

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058386000123

 

Something to keep in mind as you add all that data to your tree.

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/156613220/person/162305335195/facts

Endret Juli 27, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

9 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

I hope you do not mind if I remind you of a feature of Norwegian life. That is the patronymic naming practice of Norwegians up to about the 1900's. The last name of the child is derived from the first name of the male parent. 

 

I need all the help you can provide. I did not know about the naming of a child and I always get confused about the last name so if you ever see anything wrong please point it out. I don't remind being corrected. I like to have information correct.

[Barbara Scates]

51 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

So the  children born to Arne Monsen Elvig would be known as Arnesen not Monsen. In your tree you have a Nils (Niels) Monsen Elvig  born in 1799 with a father named Arne Monsen. 

Okay, I need to correct the last name to Arnesen, is that correct. Nils Monsen Elvig's father is Arne Arnesen......

As I said before, I tend to get confused with the names. Also Anton, do I add the farm name to the person, Like Arne Arnesen Elvig or leave it as Arne Arnesen. Ha, I never know which spelling it is - Elvik or Elvig! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Juli 27, 2021 av Barbara Scates

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, Barbara Scates said:

Okay, I need to correct the last name to Arnesen, is that correct. Nils Monsen Elvig's father is Arne Arnesen......

As I said before, I tend to get confused with the names. Also Anton, do I add the farm name to the person, Like Arne Arnesen Elvig or leave it as Arne Arnesen. Ha, I never know which spelling it is - Elvik or Elvig! 

 

Your tree page for Nils now has him as Nils Arnesen with father Arne Monsen. That is correct. As far as the spelling of the farm name there are variations of a name from time to time. The names are usually spelled similarly but perhaps not exactly the same. There is perhaps no correct name so you can chose one and go with it.Elvig or Elvik is the same name. 

 

Not only can the spelling of the farm name vary, but a person can use several farm names during his lifetime. Usually involves moving from one farm to another but not always. 

Endret Juli 27, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

1 hour ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Usually involves moving from one farm to another but not always. 

I noticed that! You are a great teacher. Of course I am working on it now. It's addictive. 

[Anton Hagelee]

On 7/27/2021 at 4:31 PM, Barbara Scates said:

noticed that! You are a great teacher. Of course I am working on it now. It's addictive. 

 

I may also be a pest but I looked at your tree today, thinking about the Norwegian naming practices. If you pick a person such as Ditlef Moller Ditlefsen and look at the Tree View you should be able to look at all the last names and see that sons have the last name based on the fathers first name. But when I do that I see that Nils Nielsen has a father named Ole. He should then be a Olsen. not a Nielsen. I think you have the right name but maybe the wrong father. 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/156613220/person/162112782172/facts

 

In the 1801 Census he is shown with his mother and is called Niels Nielssen so I do think you have the right name for him and the right mother. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058366001687

 

His father is dead and his mother has remarried so it may be difficult to determine who his father is. I think some of the parish records for Tysvær Parish were burned in a fire which may make the job more difficult.

 

I will take a longer look at the issue and see if I can figure out who his father is. 

 

 

[Barbara Scates]

11 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

I may also be a pest but I looked at your tree today

Anton you are NEVER A PEST. I truly appreciate and enjoy your input. I have been trying to clean up the tree and adhere to the "paternal" last name rule. I started cleaning some up and then found some more records. Any time you see something and you have the time please tell me where I messed up. 

 

I miss checking my email for all the wonderful "finds" from my helpers on this site. I saw Neilsen the other day and made a note to clean that up. I started with the Elling Andreas side and am trying to delete wrong documents, fix names and delete anything I do not think is concrete. Some are still a mystery.  I have been trying to find out a death notice for Ditlef Moller Ditlefson (Albertine's father). He died young and I think I plugged in a place  but my curiosity is nagging at me.

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Based on this Tree from Geni.com I would say that the father of your Nils Nilsen born about 1779 is a man also named Nils Nilsen of which nothing seems to be known. He married Gjertrude Gudmunsdatter about 1777 and they had only one child the son Nils.  After the death of her first husband Gjerturde married Knut Engelsen with whom she had several children. 

 

It looks like you have the parents of Gjertrude correct but the line of her first husband Nils Nilsen ends with him. 

 

It is possible that there may be a bygdebok section on the parents of Gjerturde that would give you the history of Nils Nilsen. Here is some of the data from the Geni.com Tree. 

 

https://www.geni.com/people/Gjertrud-Årvik/6000000085617690583?through=6000000011322606324