In Search Of Information Regarding Albertine Sophie Elvig, born January 7, 1840 in Hordaland, Norway

[Anton Hagelee]

The best way to check a Tree is to use a Bygdebok and see how accurate it is . Baring that you can use Digitalarkvet and see if the data you find there fits well with the Tree. 

 

In the Geni.com tree above, the mother of Gjertrude is listed as Tyri Tallaksdtr. Årvik (Kvamme) who is married second time to Engel  Engelson. He is listed as from Mo, Hordaland. I do find them in the 1801 Census living on Moe and Tyri is in her second marriage. Gives me some hope that the tree is basically correct. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058368000602

 

Here is the record for the marriage of Tyri and Gudmund Larsen 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000271001

 

Nr. 17 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070226200538

 

The baptism of Gjertrude can be found as Nr. 50 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070226200566

 

 

 

 

Endret Juli 31, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

So here is the marriage of your Niels Nielsen Krabbetvedt and Gjertrude Gudmundsdatter Aarevig in Fjelberg, Hordaland 6 Juni , 1777.  Last record in the second column from the left 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070226200653

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000809165

 

 

 

 

Endret Juli 31, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

18 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

In the 1801 Census he is shown with his mother and is called Niels Nielssen so I do think you have the right name for him and the right mother. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058366001687

Sorry for the delay....problems at home. I have a little time to play with this before I go over to my mother's.

You are a great research buddy!

[Barbara Scates]

17 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Here is some of the data from the Geni.com Tree. 

Cleaned it up....I printed out the Geni.com and going to work on that.

I just have the free version. Do you think the paid version has better information, information that can't be gotten from Family Search or Ancestry?

 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

3 hours ago, Barbara Scates said:

Cleaned it up....I printed out the Geni.com and going to work on that.

I just have the free version. Do you think the paid version has better information, information that can't be gotten from Family Search or Ancestry?

 

No, the paid version is best for someone adding their own tree into the Geni tree. Gives you some tools that make adding and changing Geni profiles easier.

 

The problem with trusting a Geni tree is the lack of sources. 

 

The sources you need are best gotten from Ancestry or Family Search. Both are very good for finding the transcribed sources and making it easier to find the original source. Be it Norwegian baptism and marriage records or US Census Records and etc.  That makes it much easier to go directly to the original source in the scanned parish books. 

 

I use Geni.com as a guide to find where to look ie what fylke (county) or parish should I search to find the person of interest. Also it is useful for knowing what farm names are connected with a family. That makes trying to use a bygdebok much easier. 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 1, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

1 minute ago, Anton Hagelee said:

I use Geni.com as a guide to find where to look ie what fylke (county) or parish

I can see that it does give parish information which is very helpful.

I am plugging away attempting to correct and add the information regarding Gjertrud. You helped a lot because I was stuck on her profile. 

 

Remember, if you see something wrong or crazy, let me know.

[Anton Hagelee]

I feel fairly comfortable with the information contained in the Geni.com tree that I linked to, since I have found the original records for Gjertrude, her birth marriage , her parents marriage and the family in the 1801 Census. It matched with the basic information found in the tree and that increases my confidence in the accuracy of the tree. 

 

The tree does contain one original source, a link to the probate record for Gudmund Larsen Årvik. I find the probate record totally unreadable so my hat is off to the profile manager for seeming to have read it. 

 

Here is the link, take a look. The probate record if for the death of the father of Gudmund. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20110401640671

 

https://www.geni.com/people/Gudmund-Larson-Ile-Ihle-Årvik/6000000011322606324?through=6000000085617690583

Endret August 1, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

5 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Here is the link, take a look

Wow, wow.....Thanks!!!

[Anton Hagelee]

19 minutes ago, Barbara Scates said:

Wow, wow.....Thanks!!!

 

In the middle of the second column on the left page starts  the year "Anno 1730". The first record appears to be for the 2nd of October and for a Lars Gudmundsen. 

 

His second wife Kirsten Jacobsdatter is mentioned fairly early in the record.

 

On the next page over is his death date of 17 Feb 1730 

 

Probably this guy from the tree. 

 

Lars Gudmundson Ile  

Gender:	Male
Birth:	1665  Vikedal, Rogaland, Norway
Death:	February 17, 1730 (64-65)

Endret August 1, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

I see that your Ancestry.com tree is coming along quite nicely. Here are some of the more minor points that will help make your tree even better. 

 

Most of the issues I now see in your tree are those of geography and naming of parishes. 

 

Here is an example 

 

John "Jon" Jensen Moldestad

1746–1809

BIRTH 1746 • Gloppen, Nordfjord, Nordland, Norway (Should be "Gloppen, Sogn og Fjordane" }

DEATH 1809

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/156613220/person/162305366162/facts

 

Gloppen is a parish (prestegjeld ) in the county (fylke) of Sogn og Fjordane. 

 

Nordfjord is what is called a traditional district of region of Norway. There are several regions within Norway and they usually contain several parishes. You will not find them in the parish records on Digitalarkivet and in my opinion it is probably better to ignore them. But that is a personal opinion. Here is the a Wikipedia entry for Nordfjord. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordfjord

 

Nordland is a totally different county (fylke) and a little further north of  Sogn og Fjordane. 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Nordland_County,_Norway_Genealogy

 

 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is a good website for definitions as it gives a very good explanations along with the definition. 

 

https://otjoerge.wordpress.com/norwegian-american-dictionary/a-e/#A

 

Here are the definitions for Parish (prestegjeld ) and Sub-Parish (sogn or sokn) 

 

https://otjoerge.wordpress.com/norwegian-american-dictionary/p-t/#P

 

https://otjoerge.wordpress.com/norwegian-american-dictionary/p-t/#S

 

Many times in the parish records at Digitalarkivet the sub parishes are grouped under the parish, as this example from Gloppen shows. 

 

Statsarkivet i Bergen 

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Gloppen sokneprestembete 

Ministerialbok

Ministerialbok nr. A 1

Gloppen prgj.

Breim sokn, Gimmestad sokn, Vereide sokn

1686 - 1711

kr, ns

Første side

Innhold

 

English Version 

 

Statsarkivet i Bergen 

---

Gloppen sokneprestembete 

Parish register (official)

Parish register (official) no. A 1

Gloppen parish

Breim local parish, Gimmestad local parish, Vereide local parish

1686 - 1711

kr, ns

First page

Content

Endret August 3, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

10 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

I see that your Ancestry.com tree is coming along quite nicely. Here are some of the more minor points that will help make your tree even better. 

Wow, I was just thinking about you

I have been trying to clean up the tree and remove duplicates and people that "go nowhere" - if you know what I mean. Last night I entered some of the information Rune gave me about the Registad farm. I made a couple of mistakes because I was tired and when I am tired I interpret the things wrong. So I am glad you check on me! 

I really like doing this type of thing - like I said my friends think I am crazy

 

[Anton Hagelee]

9 minutes ago, Barbara Scates said:

So I am glad you check on me! 

 

Ok, then, here is another one, 

 

Johanne Johnsdatter

1804–1884

BIRTH 1804 • Gloppens Praeteg, Bergen, Norway

DEATH 24 JAN 1884 • Modum, Buskerud, Norway

 

Gloppen is a parish in Sogn og Fjordane county whereas Bergen is a city in Hordaland county 

 

And I do not know where Johanne died but I would be very surprised if it was as far away from Gloppen as Modum parish in Buskerud county. 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Buskerud_County,_Norway_Genealogy

 

Death records are some of the most difficult things to find as there are not many places to search.

 

 

 

 

[Barbara Scates]

6 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

And I do not know where Johanne died but I would be very surprised if it was as far away from Gloppen as Modum parish in Buskerud county. 

It can't be. As you taught me Norwegians always stay close to where they are from so if that is far away, it cannot be the right person.

 

I am working on the Jens Jonsen Reed information. Ha, that is a task. A lot of children and trying to make certain I am interpreting the information right is "something else". An example:  "Else M 1781 Gabriel Nilsen Fossheim to Skinlo, Kari 1760, Jens 1764 M 1792 Brite Knudsdtr. Ovreset" MEANS:

 

Else is Jens daughter (birth unknown) she married Gabriel in 1781 and moved from Fossheim to Skinlo? Kari is a daughter that was born in 1760 and Jens is a son who was born in 1764 and married to Brite in 1792?

[Anton Hagelee]

Also for Arne Arnesen, I would question that the death record for a Arne Arnesen from 1867 and Grue, Hedmark is your guy. 

 

Arne Arnesen Elvig

1802–1867

BIRTH 1802 • Bergen, Norway

DEATH 23 OCT 1867

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60606&h=3168468&ssrc=pt&tid=156613220&pid=162258525407&usePUB=true

 

Looking at the original record the farm looks to me to be Heidebye also Høidebye. . If so it is likely this guy from Grue. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038041003871

 

Who married back in 1827

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009119467

 

 

 

 

Endret August 3, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

17 minutes ago, Barbara Scates said:

Else is Jens daughter (birth unknown) she married Gabriel in 1781 and moved from Fossheim to Skinlo? Kari is a daughter that was born in 1760 and Jens is a son who was born in 1764 and married to Brite in 1792?

 

Correct 

 

Here are Jens and Brite and several children on the farm called  Øversetter  in the 1801 Census 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058409002478

 

 

Endret August 3, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

36 minutes ago, Barbara Scates said:

 I am working on the Jens Jonsen Reed information.

Anton, when you have time please look at that profile and see if I am putting the correct last names for the children....I am taking the father's first name and adding dtr for a daughter and adding sen if it is a son. For example, Jens Jensen and Else Jensdtr

[Anton Hagelee]

19 minutes ago, Barbara Scates said:

Anton, when you have time please look at that profile and see if I am putting the correct last names for the children....I am taking the father's first name and adding dtr for a daughter and adding sen if it is a son. For example, Jens Jensen and Else Jensdtr

 

Looks good to me. I think you have got the Norwegian naming system down, a big step for some folks. 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

 

1 hour ago, Barbara Scates said:

It can't be. As you taught me Norwegians always stay close to where they are from so if that is far away, it cannot be the right person.

 

Well that is worded a bit strong, but if you see that a person marries, lives or dies some distance from the parish where they were born, etc. it is worth putting in some extra effort to verify that the person is who you think they are. 

 

 

[Barbara Scates]

17 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

 

 

Well that is worded a bit strong, but if you see that a person marries, lives or dies some distance from the parish where they were born, etc. it is worth putting in some extra effort to verify that the person is who you think they are. 

 

 

Ok,  well said! You sure know your stuff

[Anton Hagelee]

On 7/26/2021 at 10:12 PM, Rune Bergesen said:

Moldestad farm in Gloppen Nordfjord Jon Jensen

 

I see that the Bygdebok uses Nordfjord along with the Gloppen parish name. My preference is to not do that, but rather use Gloppen, Sogn og Fjordane. but as I said earlier that is a personal preference. I feel that using the fylke name rather than a regional name pins down the location better. 

 

It is somewhat akin to identifying a person from Itasca County,  Minnesota as being from Itasca County, Upper Midwest. 

 

A Minnesotan would get where you are referring to but it does not provide as good a description as Itasca County, Minnesota. 

 

You also need to get rid of the reference to Nordland. That is a totally different County (fylke)

 

Kari Olsdtr Felde

1723–1807

BIRTH 1723 • Gloppen, Nordfjord, Nordland, Norway

DEATH 1807 • Gloppen, Nordfjord, Nordland, Norway

 

Jens Jonsen Reed

1718–1790

BIRTH 1718 • Gloppen, Nordfjord, Nordland, Norway

DEATH 1790 • Gloppen, Nordfjord, Nordland, Norway

 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 3, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

3 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

A Minnesotan would get where you are referring to but it does not provide as good a description as Itasca County, Minnesota. 

Ahhh, I understand. I printed out the map that you attached to a reply and will try to follow it. Ancestry, as you know, fills in the parish (places)when you type so I will be careful. I am being more careful but have a long way to go. It's a learning experience. Thanks for the advice/help. It is much appreciated. Getting tired so I will resume tomorrow.

[Barbara Scates]

19 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

use Gloppen, Sogn og Fjordane

I am correcting the fylkes . . .lots to do.

[Barbara Scates]

21 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Here is a good website for definitions as it gives a very good explanations along with the definition. 

 

https://otjoerge.wordpress.com/norwegian-american-dictionary/a-e/#A

 

Wow, thanks. That is a good website.

I think I am getting the hang of it BUT I am sure I will still make mistakes. 

[Barbara Scates]

Anton, getting used to looking for the correct fylke! Cleaning up the profiles and making some progress. Using Geni.com too.