In Search Of Information Regarding Albertine Sophie Elvig, born January 7, 1840 in Hordaland, Norway

[Anton Hagelee]

Good for you. When you finish you will have a Tree to be proud of. 

[Barbara Scates]

On 7/31/2021 at 4:11 PM, Anton Hagelee said:

Nils Nilsen of which nothing seems to be known. He married Gjertrude Gudmunsdatter about 1777 and they had only one child the son Nils.  After the death of her first husband Gjerturde married Knut Engelsen with whom she had several children. 

I have a question...this 1801 census appears to be "my" Knut  who is married to Gjertrude but the children are different. Thoughts on whether this is another Knud?

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/503698:61749?ssrc=pt&tid=156613220&pid=162173390744

 

Endret August 8, 2021 av Barbara Scates

[Anton Hagelee]

4 hours ago, Barbara Scates said:

I have a question...this 1801 census appears to be "my" Knut  who is married to Gjertrude but the children are different. Thoughts on whether this is another Knud?

 

Children different?  You need to explain a bit for me to understand. There is a Nils Nilsson born about 1779 from her first marriage and three children from her marriage with Knut and named after Knut. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058366001687

 

 

[Barbara Scates]

[Barbara Scates]

Gjertrud's children are listed as Nils, Gundmund, Anna Maria, Anna Margareta and Hans (I believe this was from the bydebok (spelling?) information. This lists Elen and Abigael as Gjertrud's and Knud's common children. Are Hans and Berta listed as their teens considered their children also?

[Anton Hagelee]

19 minutes ago, Barbara Scates said:

Are Hans and Berta listed as their teens considered their children also?

 

These two are servants. 

 

The Norwegian words should be "Deres tjenere". If you put that into Google translate you get " Their servants"

 

If you use the version from Ancestry of "Deres tienere" Google translate totally screws up the translation and gives you "Their teens" . That is wrong, they are servants. 

 

From the Norwegian translation web site that I gave you the link to

 

tiener                  (see "tjener")

 

tjener                  servant, waiter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 8, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

As far as the children are concerned. The 1801 Census shows three alive at that time. There could have been more born but they may have died before the 1801 Census. 

 

Secondly you are far enough back so finding the baptism record of the children can become more difficult. That far back the mothers name may have been not included in the baptism record. For example in the 1801 Census is Ellen born about 1792. 

 

This is likely her in the Ancestry.com list. 

 

Ellena Knudsdatter

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Ellena Knudsdatter
[Ellena Krabbetvedt] 

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:10 apr 1791

Baptism Place:Tysvaer, Rogaland, Norway

Father:Knud Krabbetvedt

FHL Film Number:126301

Reference ID:2:VX4X64

 

Notice no mothers name and last name is the farm name. Makes the search difficult.

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=UYt10&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=60092&msfng=knu*&msfng_x=1&msfns_x=1&msbdy=1790&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=10&msbpn__ftp=tysvaer, rogaland, norway&msbpn__ftp_x=1&msbpn=1059891&msbpn_x=1&new=1&rank=1&uidh=bz3&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=10&h=13057773&recoff=&ml_rpos=11&queryId=d22f449a19b0149b1c423e0c474b805d

 

 

Endret August 8, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

And the same explanation holds for Abigael born about 1793 in the 1801 Census. 

 

Abigael Knudsdatter

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Abigael Knudsdatter
[Abigael Krabbetvedt] 

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:12 feb 1792

Baptism Place:Tysvaer, Rogaland, Norway

Father:Knud Krabbetvedt

FHL Film Number:126301

Reference ID:2:VX50NR

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=UYt9&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=60092&msfng=knu*&msfng_x=1&msfns_x=1&msbdy=1790&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=10&msbpn__ftp=tysvaer, rogaland, norway&msbpn__ftp_x=1&msbpn=1059891&msbpn_x=1&new=1&rank=1&uidh=bz3&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=18&h=13063056&recoff=&ml_rpos=19&queryId=d22f449a19b0149b1c423e0c474b805d

[Anton Hagelee]

And here is Engel born about 1789 in the 1801 Census 

 

Engel Knudsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Engel Knudsen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:31 des 1786 (31 Dec 1786)

Baptism Place:Tysvaer, Rogaland, Norway

Father:Knud Krabbetvedt

FHL Film Number:126301

Reference ID:2:VX4L4D

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=UYt10&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=60092&msfng=knu*&msfng_x=1&msfns_x=1&msbdy=1790&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=10&msbpn__ftp=tysvaer, rogaland, norway&msbpn__ftp_x=1&msbpn=1059891&msbpn_x=1&new=1&rank=1&uidh=bz3&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=31&h=10286102&recoff=&ml_rpos=32&queryId=d22f449a19b0149b1c423e0c474b805d

[Anton Hagelee]

There are records of children born to Knud and Gjertrude that are not found in the 1801 Census. Perhaps the bygdebok records shed some light on them, but I can not remember seeing any bygdebok records on this family?

 

Here is a Gudmund. The record indicates he died in the same year as his birth.

 

Name:Gudmund Knudsen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:13 apr 1794

Baptism Place:Tysvaer, Rogaland, Norway

Death Date:1794

Father:Knud Engelsen Krabbetvedt

Mother:Giertrud Gudmundsdr

FHL Film Number:126301

Reference ID:2:VX56R4

Endret August 9, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here ia a Giertrud born in 1799, but the record in Ancestry also shows her death. 

 

 

 

 

Giertrud

 in the Norway, Births and Christenings, 1648-1903

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Name:Giertrud

Gender:Female

Christening Age:0

Death Age:0

Birth Date:Abt. 1799

Christening Date:21 apr 1799

Christening Place:Tysvaer, Rogaland, Norway

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=60092&h=5314156&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=1345

Death Date:1799

Father:Knud Krabbetvedt

Mother:Giertrud Krabbetvedt

 

It looks to me like their were twins born on the same day. It is likely that both died before the 1801 Census 

 

Ane Maria Knudsdatter

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Ane Maria Knudsdatter

Gender:Female

Birth Date:1799

Baptism Date:21 apr 1799

Baptism Place:Tysvaer, Rogaland, Norway

Death Date:1799

Father:Knud Krabbetvedt

Mother:Giertrud Krabbetvedt

FHL Film Number:126301

Reference ID:2:VX5MZX

 

Death of Ane Maria

 

Ane Maria

 in the Norway, Births and Christenings, 1648-1903

Name:Ane Maria

Gender:Female

Christening Age:0

Death Age:0

Birth Date:Abt. 1799

Christening Date:21 apr 1799

Christening Place:Tysvaer, Rogaland, Norway

Death Date:1799

Father:Knud Krabbetvedt

Mother:Giertrud Krabbetvedt

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

On a positive note, you are looking for ancestors back in the 1700's. That is a rare achievement!

 

The parish records from Tysvær, Rogaland seem to me to be a total mess and very difficult to find and to read if you do find them. So you are fortunate to be getting as far as you are. 

 

Look on the bright side on this one. 

[Anton Hagelee]

In your Tree you have a Anna Margareta and a Hans. Do you have any sources for those two people?

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/156613220/person/162112782851/facts

 

One other note. Gudmund would be a Knudsen and not an Engelsen. Father is Knud.

 

 

Endret August 9, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here for the record is the original baptism record for Gudmund. In the far left column is a 13 something. Look to the right and you will see 

 

 

Note the ancestry record indicates that he died the same year. So somewhere in 1794 should be a Begraved and then his name. Difficult to find, the best I could do is this one. It may read Barn av Knud Enelsen?

 

 

 

Endret August 9, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Barbara Scates]

14 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Notice no mothers name and last name is the farm name. Makes the search difficult.

You are right about that Anton! I have been running into that repeatedly.

[Barbara Scates]

On 8/8/2021 at 7:56 PM, Anton Hagelee said:

In your Tree you have a Anna Margareta and a Hans. Do you have any sources for those two people?

I think I got them off of a ancestry tree and I have a note to "look for documents". I cannot find any for those two so I deleted them.

 

You are the the best. I thought it was the right Knud, and the mistake in the Gudmund Engelsen was me working too many hours. Glad you pointed it out!

 

 

 

 

[Tove D. Johansen]

Maybe you have this information already:

Albertine Sophie had siblings

Albert Johan christened May 16, 1842 Korskirken

Carl August  christened March 10, 1844 Korskirken

Johanne Regine christened November 28, 1847 Korskirken

Their father Arne Elvig (occupation: cooper) died and was buried January 12, 1848

 

The information is from the parish records of Korskirken church, Bergen

 

 

 

 

[Tove D. Johansen]

 

Carl August  christened March 10, 1844 Korskirken

He must be the Karl Elvig found on the 1875 census for Bergen 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052295030844

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 14, 2021 av Tove D. Johansen

[Tove D. Johansen]

 There is also the brother Bernt Nikolai born July 2, 1837  Korskirken, Bergen

 

[Tove D. Johansen]

Johanne Elvig aged 73, died September 19, 1875 in Bergen

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/23997/255

 

"5 myndige Børn, hvoraf 4 fraværende"  (5 children of legal age, of which 4 are absent)

 

 

 

 

Endret August 15, 2021 av Tove D. Johansen

[Bjarne Rosenstrøm]

32 minutter siden, Tove D. Johansen skrev:

Johanne Elvig died September 19, 1875 in Bergen

 

https://www.nb.no/search?q="johanne elvig"&mediatype=aviser&fromDate=18750101&toDate=18751231&counties=Vestland:[Bergens Tidende]

 

 

 

[Tove D. Johansen]

Karl Elvig died in 1902 in Bergen

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/15/pa00000001077424

 

[Barbara Scates]

Tove thank you so much for the information! This site has wonderful researchers on it and you and the others have helped me so much. I will start adding this to my tree. I try to find information on my own but it has become difficult and I run into brick walls!

[Barbara Scates]

2 hours ago, Bjarne Rosenstrøm said:

 

https://www.nb.no/search?q="johanne elvig"&mediatype=aviser&fromDate=18750101&toDate=18751231&counties=Vestland:[Bergens Tidende]

 

 

 

Thank you Bjarne! Wow........

[Barbara Scates]

20 hours ago, Tove D. Johansen said:

Maybe you have this information already:

Albertine Sophie had siblings

Albert Johan christened May 16, 1842 Korskirken

Carl August  christened March 10, 1844 Korskirken

Johanne Regine christened November 28, 1847 Korskirken

Their father Arne Elvig (occupation: cooper) died and was buried January 12, 1848

 

The information is from the parish records of Korskirken church, Bergen

 

 

I had some Tove but not all especially date Arne died.....that was a real find. Thanks!