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Paul Hanson og Caroline med fem born - farma 1870 i Utica township, Crawford Co., WI - kven var desse folki? - frå Lærdal?


Lars E. Øyane

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Eg slit med å identifisera huslyden som gøymer seg attom Dwelling #211 i FT1870 for Utica township, Crawford Co., WI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCY9-5ML

 

Hanson, Paul 32 farmer Nor

Hanson, Caroline 30 housekeeping Nor

Hanson, Hans 8 at school Nor

Hanson, Betsy 6 at school Nor

Hanson, Ole 5 Nor

Hanson, Caroline 3 WI

Hanson, Christian 1 WI

 

Næraste naboen Jens Hess Jensson Spangelo var komen frå Borgund i Lærdal.  Kan Paul ogso vera derifrå?

 

Eg takkar so mykje for alle gode tips!

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Samme mann i 1885, nabo er John Spangol.

 

Paul Hanson

in the Wisconsin, U.S., State Censuses, 1855-1905

Name:Paul Hanson

Residence Date:1885

Residence Place:Utica, Crawford, Wisconsin, USA

Relationship:Head

Neighbors:View others on page

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3557531:1055?tid=&pid=&queryId=b336ec1fe62c7473e5f5cc344013192a&_phsrc=Pmi6&_phstart=successSource

 

I 1875 FT, ikke Paul Hanson men Paul Helland 

 

Paul Helland

in the Wisconsin, U.S., State Censuses, 1855-1905

Name:Paul Helland

Residence Date:1875

Residence Place:Utica, Crawford, Wisconsin, USA

Relationship:Head

Neighbors:View others on page

 

3 menn og 2 kvinner

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3324172:1055?_phsrc=hJu9&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=paul&ml_rpos=45&queryId=bb98698f7a29b3e2f58099283d1608b1

 

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1 hour ago, Lars E. Øyane said:

 

Næraste naboen Jens Hess Jensson Spangelo var komen frå Borgund i Lærdal.  Kan Paul ogso vera derifrå?

 

I 1880 FT bor ved siden av John Spangol, Paul H Helland.

Kan dette være Paul Hansen Helland?

 

Paul H. Helland

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

Name:Paul H. Helland

Age:39

Birth Date:Abt 1841

Birthplace:Norway

Home in 1880:Utica, Crawford, Wisconsin, USA

Dwelling Number:148

Race:White

Gender:Male

Relation to Head of House:Self (Head)

Marital Status:Married

Spouse's Name:Anna Helland

Father's Birthplace:Norway

Mother's Birthplace:Norway

Occupation:Farmer

Neighbors:View others on page

Household MembersAgeRelationship

Paul H. Helland39Self (Head)

Anna Helland36Wife

John H. Helland2Son

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/46078304:6742

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4Z-WGP

 

 

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6 hours ago, Lars E. Øyane said:

 

Næraste naboen Jens Hess Jensson Spangelo var komen frå Borgund i Lærdal.  Kan Paul ogso vera derifrå?

 

Jens Hess Jensson Spangelo har en bror som heter Ole Jensson Spangelo. Ole er gift med Kari Hansdatter Helland. Kari er storesøster til Paul Hansen Helland. Er Paul Hansen Helland samme mann som Paul Hanson, vanskelig å vite?

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/173443259/person/212248604207/facts

 

 

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Paul Hansen Helland f 9 sep 1840 uttvandret i 1866 med Anna ? ? i 1866. Ikke barn 

 

Nr. 4 & 5 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070305680215

 

Sannsynligvis denne mannen?

 

Nr. 137

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070514630250

 

Det er lite sannsynlig at Paul Hansen og Paul Hansen Helland er samme person.

 

 

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Innlegg #7:

 

Hjarteleg takk til Anton for mange spennande innlegg om denne huslyden!

 

Eg er i utgongspunktet òg temmeleg sikker på at dette må vera:

 

Paul Hansson Helland, fødd i Lærdal 14.9.1840 som i 1867 utvandra i lag med nabojenta:

Anna Nagel Ørbeck Hansdotter Sanden, fødd i Lærdal 10.10.1843: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/11598/102

 

Eg finn ikkje vigsli deira, men dei fekk ein son Hans f. i Crawford Co., WI 6.9.1868: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60722/images/41742_314961-00046?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx27180&_phstart=successSource&pId=1642136

 

Dei fekk òg minst to born til, men båe var fødde mykje seinare:

 

* John Henry f. Crawford Co., WI 14.11.1877: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60722/images/41742_314962-00008?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx27182&_phstart=successSource&pId=3888204

 

* Hanna Mathilda f. Crawford Co., WI 2.2.1882: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60722/images/41742_314962-00013?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx27183&_phstart=successSource&pId=3888394

 

Kan det tenkjast at census-takaren har blanda saman to ulike huslydar?  Fanst det kan henda ei Caroline som hadde dei fem opprekna borni med mann sin??

 

Det finst elles ingen passande Paul Hansson (Helland) i dette nabolaget i FT1870!!

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å komplettera dette emigrantregisteret!

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3 hours ago, Lars E. Øyane said:

Kan det tenkjast at census-takaren har blanda saman to ulike huslydar?  Fanst det kan henda ei Caroline som hadde dei fem opprekna borni med mann sin??

 

Mulig. Det er mange problemer i 1870 FT. Vi har sett mange i 1870 FT postet her.

 

Paul Helland

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

Name:Paul Helland

Record Type:Burial 

Birth Place:Norge

Death Date:25 May 1895

Burial Date:27 May 1895

Father:Hans Olsen Hilland

Mother:Mitta Kristine Pauls

Church Name:Utica Lutheran Church

Church Location:MT Sterling, Wisconsin

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=60722&h=3890820&indiv=try

 

 

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Anna i 1900 FT 

 

Anna Helland

in the 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:Anna Helland

Age:60

Birth Date:Nov 1839

Birthplace:Norway

Home in 1900:Utica, Crawford, Wisconsin

Sheet Number:12

Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:186

Family Number:189

Race:White

Gender:Female

Immigration Year:1868

Relation to Head of House:Head

Marital Status:Widowed

Father's Birthplace:Norway

Mother's Birthplace:Norway

Mother: number of living children:2

Mother: How many children:4

Years in US:32

Attended School:0

Can Read:Yes

Can Write:Yes

Can Speak English:Yes

House Owned or Rented:Own

Farm or House:F

Neighbors:View others on page

Household MembersAgeRelationship

Anna Helland60Head

Henry Helland22Son

Anna Helland18Daughter

Halm Enerson49Boarder

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/73585594:7602?_phsrc=QXd6&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=anna&ml_rpos=33&queryId=48b6649bbbc6f7b238514bc78ffc2829

 

Hans  f 1866

 

John Olai f 1873

 

John Henry f 1877

 

Hannah Mathilda f 1882

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Lars E. Øyane said:

Kan det tenkjast at census-takaren har blanda saman to ulike huslydar?  Fanst det kan henda ei Caroline som hadde dei fem opprekna borni med mann sin??

 

Ja, en blanding av familier er mulig. Kanskje familien er Kari kone til Ole Spangler og noen barn til Ole og Kari og Kari kom på besøk til bror Hans?

Kan Kari være Caroline.

Barn av Kari er Caroline og Christine (Christian?)

Hva med Hans, Betsey og Ole??

Jeg vet ikke. Mange feil i folketellingen.

 

Her er Ole og Kari (Caroline) i 1870 FT.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN97-LY9

 

"Grabbing at straws"

 

 

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