Miner Christian Christiansen (b. ca. 1777) at Braastad eie and Seaman Marthin Nicolaisen (b. 23 Jan 1823) Asdal in Øyestad

[Larry Halvorsen]

I am seeking help finding parents of Christian, and any information after the 1865 census on the whereabouts of Marthin.  Marthin's bapt : https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060113040579.  Marthin is shown with his family in 1865 census.  Christian was confirmed at Braastad and married Siri Olsdatter 22 March 1800 at Braastad.  I believe she lived at Løvbossen.  Siri died at Neersteen on 2 April 1832. Christian married a second time on 7 March 1833 to Sara Olsdatter (1787).  Christian and Siri's children: Ole (9 July 1800), Elef (8 Aug 1802), Gunild Helene (1805) and Ole (Nov 1807).  I thought Gunild Helene might be clue to mothers name, and also thought as a miner he may have come to Aust-agder as part of migration from Kongsberg.

 

Larry Halvorsen

Aston, PA

[Sven Hjortland]

22 minutter siden, Larry Halvorsen skrev:

any information after the 1865 census on the whereabouts of Marthin.

Maybe the father of Ole Nikolai?

 

Aust-Agder fylke, Vestre Moland i Vestre Moland, Ministerialbok nr. A 9 (1884-1899), Fødte og døpte 1884, Side 8
Permanent bilde-ID: kb20051202010155
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051202010155
Permanent bildelenke: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051202010155.jpg
 

[Anton Hagelee]

Tomine and son Ole Nikolai Nielsen born in 1884 in the 1891 Census. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052874001690

 

Bottom of the 1891 Census is a Martin Nilsen born 1840 hard to say what his role is. Maybe the husband?

 

Also a daughter  born 1876 in Arendal Olivia?

 

Probably this girl, mother is Thomine Olavia Nilsen and father is Martin Nilsen. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000017547855

 

In 1878 is a girl Anna Marie with parents Martin Nicolaisen and Temine Olivia Nilsen. Based on the birth year of the parents they fit the child found by Sven. but the birth year of this Marin Nicolaisen does not Marthin Nicolaisen born in 1823?

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000031644926

 

My guess is that this Martin Nicolasen is this one born about 1848 living with his family in Asdal Øyestad in the 1865 Census. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038163004528

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret April 24, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

2 hours ago, Larry Halvorsen said:

1865 census on the whereabouts of Marthin.  Marthin's bapt : https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060113040579.  Marthin is shown with his family in 1865 census.

 

Sorry Larry this link does not work for me. Can you post again. Also in the 1865 Census for  Asdal Øyestad, that I posted above it is Nicolai Martinsen that has the birth year of 1823 not the son Marthin. I wonder if you have confused the two?

 

Here is the baptism of Marthin in 1848

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038163004528

 

Nr. 122 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702660260

 

 

 

 

Endret April 24, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Just curious, are Christian Christiansen and Marthin Nicolaisen connected in any way?

 

For the record, here is the 1801 Census record for Christian Christiansen. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058326002167

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Perhaps this is the marriage of Christian Christiansen and Siri Olsdatter on March 22, 1800?

 

Siri Olsdr

in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

 Name:Siri Olsdr

Gender:Female

Marriage Date:22 Mar 1800

Marriage Place:Oyestad,Aust-Agder,Norway

Spouse:Christian Christiansen

FHL Film Number:123648

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3144232:60095?_phsrc=OhM3&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=siri&gsln=ols*&ml_rpos=18&queryId=5da55ba7c6c611df41a1df9844a2a7c8

 

Original Record is 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702640090

 

Just a quick look at the original record did not give any hint to me who is parents might be. 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

This might be the first child of Christian and Siri. Baptized Aug 8, 1802.

 

Elef Christensen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Elef Christensen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:08 Aug 1802

Baptism Place:, Oyestad, Aust-Agder, Norway

Father:Christian Christiansen

Mother:Siri Olsdr

FHL Film Number:123649

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1462203:60092

 

Original record 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702640393\

 

 

[Larry Halvorsen]

I should add Gunild' bapt. info: 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070702650068 - Note Christian and family was at Ostenboe eie in 1805.

 

Thanks all so far 

[Larry Halvorsen]

Sven, Anton,

 

  This looks promising!  Surprised Marthin is a  miller now, but going to sea is a young man's game. Nicolai is Marthin's paternal grandfathers name too!  Sponsor Terje Terjesen could be the same Terje (b. 1827) that married Marthin's sister Anne Kirstine (b. 1838).

 

Sorry for the convoluted post.  Marthin and Christian are related.  Christian is great grandfather of Marthin as ancestor of Nicolai's wife Kirsten Eleffsdatter. 

 

 

Tusen Takk- All

[Larry Halvorsen]

 I should add the birth year is correct for Marthin -1848.  Pretty sure my Marthin is the father of Ole Nicolai.  Can anyone translate the remarks in far right column on Ole Nicolai's baptism?  Something about parents and Arendal?

[Sven Hjortland]

Wrong Martin....

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:683B-1LW2

 

Name	Martin Niklassen
Residence Place	Barbo
Birth Date	16 Oct 1848
Birthplace	Mov Førs i Bohus Län
Father's Name	Niklas Johanssen
Father's Sex	Male
Spouse's Name	Thomine Olivia Nilsdatr.
Spouse's Birth Date	28 Oct 1845
Spouse's Birthplace	Øiestad
Spouse's Father's Name	Nils Olsen Strømmen
Spouse's Father's Sex	Male
Marriage Date	16 Oct 1873
Marriage Place	Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norge
Marriage Place (Original)	Arendal, Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norge
Event Type	Marriage
Source Call Number	SAK/1111-0040/F/Fb/L0004
Source Description	Church book from Arendal parish 1861-1873 (0903P)
Entry Number	34
Line Number	1010
Page Number	312
Source Publication Year Range	1861-1873
Affiliate Film Number	vi-09405-1861-1873

[Sven Hjortland]

Martin was born i Sweden

 

Utskrift fra EmiWeb/Emigranter registrert i svenske kirkebøker

Fornavn:	Martin		Utflyttingsdato:	1870-10-08
Etternavn:	Niklasson		Utflyttingssted:	Kitteröd
Fødselsdato:	1848-10-16		Utflyttingssogn:	Mo
Gårdsnavn:			Utflyttingslän:	Göteborgs och Bohus
Født sted:			Destinasjon sted:
Født sogn:	Mo		Destinasjon land:	Norge
Født län:	Göteborgs Och Bohus		Landskode:
Født sted (utenfor Sverige):			Enslig/Familie:	E
Født land (utenfor Sverige):			Filnr:	13
Yrke:			Kilde:	Mo Hfl 1867-1871
Alder:	22		Side i Husforhør/Församlingsbok:	43
Kjønn:	M		Nr. i utflyttingsliste:	12
Sivilstatus:	OG
Innflyttingsår:			Husforhørsbind:
Innflyttingssted:			Utflyttingsbind:
Innflyttingssogn:			Merknader i utflyttingsliste:
Innflyttingslän:			Merknad om gjeninnvandring:
Innflyttingsland:			Gjeninnvandringsdato:
Fars navn:			Merknad om arbeidsattest:
Fars yrke:
Mors navn:
Mors yrke:
Ektemakes navn:
Ektemakes yrke:

[Anton Hagelee]

A little confusing to me. So perhaps a short tree will help. At least help me?

 

Christian Christiansen born about 1777 married Siri Olsdatter in 1800. 

 

Son Elef born in 1802 

 

An Elef Christiansen married a Anne Nilsdatter on  3 Aug 1827 in Øyestad

 

Kirstin Ellefsdatter was born 10 Jun 1829

 

and married a Nicolai Borge Marthinsen on 13 Nov 1846 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009697351

 

They had son named Marthin Nikolaisen on 23 Oct 1848 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038163004528

 

 

 

 

Endret April 25, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Getting back to your original question about the parents of Christian Christiansen born about 1777.  Searching Aust-Agder 1777 +/- 2 turns up three candidates but two of them died the same year as they were born.  

 

Thus Ancestry.com has only one possible candidates. 

 

Name:Christian Christiansen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:29 Jun 1777

Baptism Place:Tromøy, Aust-Agder, Norway

Father:Christian Olesen Barboe

Mother:Anne Halvorsdatter Naeskilden

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/18517068:60092?_phsrc=nqE20&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=christian&ml_rpos=1&queryId=fee6bb9a9403fd9d0d3ac81a7bb59aaa

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070614640368

 

It is possible that this Christian was born out of wedlock. The first two words in the record look to me like "fd unagt"  and the original record also shows the mothers name first, followed by the names of the witnesses and then followed by the name of the father?

 

 

 

 

Endret April 25, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

And I do not find a marriage that fits. The only marriage found in Ancestry.com is of Christian Olsen and Anne Jørgensdatter in 1782. 

 

Christian Olsen

in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Christian Olsen

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:20 okt 1782 (20 Oct 1782)

Marriage Place:Tromøy, Aust-Agder, Norway

Spouse:Anna Jorgensdatter

FHL Film Number:123695

 

Here is this family in 1801 census. Christian is a widower then. His residence seems to be connected to Barboe?

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058325000877

 

Here is the baptism record of the first child in the 1801 census Anna Maria. Father is Christian Olsen Barboe.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070614640386

 

Endret April 25, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Sven Hjortland]

1 time siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

It is possible that this Christian was born out of wedlock. The first two words in the record look to me like "fd unagt"  and the original record also shows the mothers name first, followed by the names of the witnesses and then followed by the name of the father?

Yes, he was born out of wedlock

[Anton Hagelee]

Back to Marthin. I see that in the 1875 Census Kirsten Ellevsdatter is living at  Asdal Liene, Øyestad. Husband is dead and Marthin is not living withe the family. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052198003837

 

Perhaps someone can find Marthin in the seaman's rolls.

 

 

Endret April 25, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Larry Halvorsen]

I guess Seaman Marthin remains a mystery- It could be he jumped ship like his three brothers in another country.  I have looked in New York for him (where his brothers settled) to no avail.  I jumped the gun and was just starting research on Anne Thomine.  Finding her in the 1875 census raises some more issues:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/pf01052196002907  ; I don't have to worry about that now.

Shows you how careful you have to be, I would not expect a problem with the name Marthin, not as common as Ole, but in this case same result.

 

Regarding Christian born 29 June to  Christian Olesen and Anne Halvorsdatter.  I considered him a possible father in the past along with several other fathers of illegitimate sons, but further research could not confirm.  I believe Olesen married someone else shortly thereafter, and I could never trace Anne to Braastad area.  

Siri and Christian were boarders with her Aunt Targier Ellefsdatter (1763) and husband Gunsteen Svenkesen in 1801.  Gunsteen was also a miner. Another Aunt, Helgie Ellefsdatter (1757), also lived at Braastad.  Helgie was born at Lodersoll eie.  However, both sisters were daughters of Ellef Phillipsen (1722-1770) of Rosseland Evje parish.  Ellef Phillipsen died at Lodersoll.

There never was any sponsors of Siri and Christians' children that could be attributed to Christian's side - seemed like an orphan.

[Larry Halvorsen]

I looked at the marriage record here:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060208010792

even though Name is Nicolaisen, fathers name clearly Johnsen.

 

BTW the transcribed 1846 marriage information for Marthin's father and Kirsten Ellefsdatter has some errors, his name is Nicolais Boye Marthinsen and his father was  Marthin Nicolaisen Jaeger.

[Larry Halvorsen]

I checked the 1875 census for ships underway out of Arendal.  I did not see Marthin, it's a lot of lists to go through - so maybe I missed him.  I did find someone else I was looking for.  The husband of Marthin's sister, Anne Katrine, he was on a Bark bound for New Orleans.  Can I assume this is N.O. USA?  His name was Julius C. Bentsen.  I believe I found his sister, the wife of the Capt., on a Bark bound for Rio!  Are there Seaman's rolls for Arendal that can be searched? Not sure if they are available.

[Larry Halvorsen]

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060113040579 is the correct link for Marthin's baptism.

His father Nicolais Boye Marthinsen was born 22 Jan and baptized 2 Feb 1823, sorry for confusion.

[Larry Halvorsen]

Some new information.  I just learned sister Anne Katrine immigrated via Kristiansand, Vest-agder in 1883,  and Anne Katrine's mother did likewise in 1888.  I need to check Kristiansand records for Marthin both immigration and census.

[Larry Halvorsen]

On 4/24/2022 at 3:18 PM, Larry Halvorsen said:

I am seeking help finding parents of Christian, and any information after the 1865 census on the whereabouts of Marthin.  Marthin's bapt : https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060113040579.  Marthin is shown with his family in 1865 census.  Christian was confirmed at Braastad and married Siri Olsdatter 22 March 1800 at Braastad.  I believe she lived at Løvbossen.  Siri died at Neersteen on 2 April 1832. Christian married a second time on 7 March 1833 to Sara Olsdatter (1787).  Christian and Siri's children: Ole (9 July 1800), Elef (8 Aug 1802), Gunild Helene (1805) and Ole (Nov 1807).  I thought Gunild Helene might be clue to mothers name, and also thought as a miner he may have come to Aust-agder as part of migration from Kongsberg.

 

Larry Halvorsen

Aston, PA

Correction to subject of my April 24 Post: Marthin Nicolaisen was born 23 Oct 1848, Baptized on 19 November.

[Larry Halvorsen]

On 4/25/2022 at 4:08 PM, Anton Hagelee said:

And I do not find a marriage that fits. The only marriage found in Ancestry.com is of Christian Olsen and Anne Jørgensdatter in 1782. 

 

Christian Olsen

in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Christian Olsen

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:20 okt 1782 (20 Oct 1782)

Marriage Place:Tromøy, Aust-Agder, Norway

Spouse:Anna Jorgensdatter

FHL Film Number:123695

 

Here is this family in 1801 census. Christian is a widower then. His residence seems to be connected to Barboe?

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058325000877

 

Here is the baptism record of the first child in the 1801 census Anna Maria. Father is Christian Olsen Barboe.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070614640386

 

 

On 4/25/2022 at 2:49 PM, Anton Hagelee said:

Getting back to your original question about the parents of Christian Christiansen born about 1777.  Searching Aust-Agder 1777 +/- 2 turns up three candidates but two of them died the same year as they were born.  

 

Thus Ancestry.com has only one possible candidates. 

 

Name:Christian Christiansen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:29 Jun 1777

Baptism Place:Tromøy, Aust-Agder, Norway

Father:Christian Olesen Barboe

Mother:Anne Halvorsdatter Naeskilden

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/18517068:60092?_phsrc=nqE20&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=christian&ml_rpos=1&queryId=fee6bb9a9403fd9d0d3ac81a7bb59aaa

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070614640368

 

It is possible that this Christian was born out of wedlock. The first two words in the record look to me like "fd unagt"  and the original record also shows the mothers name first, followed by the names of the witnesses and then followed by the name of the father?

 

 

 

 

Can anyone confirm that Naeskilden is a farm in Tromoy and not the same as Nordskion plass in Loddersol? If it is same place there could be a link there between families at Loddersol.

[Dag Thorsdalen]

45 minutter siden, Larry Halvorsen skrev:

Can anyone confirm that Naeskilden is a farm in Tromoy and not the same as Nordskion plass in Loddersol? If it is same place there could be a link there between families at Loddersol.

 

Larry, Neskilen is not a farm name, it was the name of an iron mine and was also used about the small "village" where most of the miners lived: Norgeskart 

 

Løddesøl is about 10 miles to the southwest from Neskilen: Norgeskart 

 

The link between Neskilen and Løddesøl is that there has been mines both places.