[#13824] Kan noen gå inn og se på Edward Hoel i USA census 1900 og 1910?

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Hei!Er det noen som kunne gå inn og se hva som står om Edward Hoel i Illinois i folketellingne for 1900 og 1910. Jeg får et treff på hver via genealogy.comHar funnet det som må være min Edward i 1920. Han er her gift med den fire år eldre Annie, begge oppgitt immigrert og naturalisert de samme årene. Dette plager meg svært!Fra norske kilder finner jeg min Edvard Hansen Hoel gift med Johanne Arnesdatter. Disse emigrerte med den lille sønnen Einar Hoel. Johanne er også fire år eldre enn sin mann, og Johanne kan lett bli til Annie har jeg i min lettsindighet tenkt. Men så er det det at på vielsesindeksen for Illinois her på nettet finner jeg noen som heter Edvard Hoel og Annie Hansen gift i Cook 26.mai.1894. Huff og huff!Siden det bare er ett treff i 1900 og et i 1910 på navnet Edward Hoel i Illinois, er jeg uansett om det viser seg å være min eller ikke interessert i ham for å finne ut av hvor mange personer med samme navn jeg egentlig har med å gjøre her. (Bedre blir det ikke av at familietradisjonen vet å fortelle han var enkemann da han var hjemme på besøk på 1920-tallet, men senere ble gift på nytt med en dame som mest var interessert i pengene hans. - Jeg finner ingen spor i 1930, og heller ikke i indeksen over døde i Illinois her på nettet nemlig).Håper det er noen som kan hjelpe!Med vennlig hilsen og takk, Marius

[Gjest Laila N. Christiansen]

Hallo, unge mann!!SJekk mailboxen (yahoo) der er 1900-tellingaDet er samme folket i 1910-tellinge. Laila

[Gjest Laila N. Christiansen]

Marius, når du ser denne tellignen, ser du at Annie har født 0 barn, men de har vært gift i 6 år. Så, det er helt klart at Einar er Edvards sønn, ikke hennes.Vi ser også at Annie har vært i USA i 19 år, men Edward har vært der i bare 13-Emigrasjonen ser vi her: LenkeLaila

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Du er en knuppedupp du!Så kjempefint da. Skal forte meg over til mailboksen og se etter nå med det samme jeg.Nå er jeg fornøyd med mangt og meget, bortsett kanskje fra at Annie har 'faket' imigrasjonsår i 1920, men det tror jeg ikke jeg skal ta så høytidelig, tror du vel?Ser du skal være med på slektsforskningsdag neste tirsdag. Det hørtes veldig fint ut. Håper det blir vellykket. Dessverre har jeg ikke så meget familie på de kanter...Marius

[Gjest Laila N. Christiansen]

Selvfølgesagt er jeg en knuppedupp!Og, siden du driver sånn 'Home alone', så får du få det slik da:http://www.lailas.net/lookup/hoel.jpg tung og god!Laila

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Åååååååååå, du er vel knuppenuselignilloggod, dessuten stod det jo faktisk M2.Og Einar var hjemme, vi må ikke glemme at poden ei lenger på skolen gikk.Men lure og lure på mon tro han døde i 1918 eller kanskje ble påkjørt av en trikk?- OK, det har ikke gått noen stor dikter tapt i meg. (Ovennevnte er tenkt å skulle rime). Men gleden er ikke mindre av den grunn!Marius

[Gjest Laila N. Christiansen]

Hehe..... Jeg spiser sånn derre himmelsk god vet du, sånn som reklamen sier..... 'har vært på vingene i hele dag'....Du har ikke vurdert å bestille attesten fra 1918? (ikke prøv å bestille den i rim-form....)

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Hei Laila!Først og fremst har jeg vurdert å undersøke om det ikke finnes en aldri så liten obituary på poden.Har funnet igjen Annie Hoel i 1930 også nå, feilindeksert som Holl. Men det ER riktig, for litt lenger ned på siden er samme Carl Amundsen (Amundson) som bodde med familien i 1920. Han har blitt gift med en tyskættet pike siden sist og tatt med sitt pikk og pakk, inkludert tante, og flyttet inn hos svigerfar.Noen Edward Hoel el.l. er jeg ikke i stand til å finne på dødsindeksen, men derimot en Anne Hoel, så en obituary på denne er også interessant.Begge er allerede bestilt, så nå må jeg bare smøre meg med tålmodighet! Dessverre ikke min største dyd når det kommer til slektsforskningssammenheng. Jo da, jeg har selvinnsikt også :-))))Jeg ser veldig lite på fjernsyn; hva ER det du spiser sier du????Marius

[Gjest Laila N. Christiansen]

Sånn derre engleost.....

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Shall i look up the death cert of Einar, Aug 4 1918 per www.cyberdriveillinois.com/genealogy? There is one Edward, Jan 1, 1943, at Kankakee and an Anne, Nov 18, 1935 at Chicago. Are the obits needed?

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Roger,A lookup of Einar Hoel’s death certificate would be just wonderful. If you can to this I’ll just say: Yes thank you very much!Actually I have already asked for the obituaries of Einar and Anne Hoel from a look-up volunteer in the Chicago area, but I it might take a loooong time before I get the information; there were waiting lists. If you have the opportunity to take a quick look, I would really appreciate this as well.According to the 1930 census Annie Hoel is a widow. (In the index she’s stated with the last name “Holl”). But who knows? May be they’ve been divorced. I’ve several times seen divorced people entered as either married or widowed. Perhaps an obit of the Edward Hoel who died 1943 actually is a very good idea? – An that look-up I’ve not asked for anywhere else, so if you could do that it would be just great, that too!All the best! Marius

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Hi, I can email these if you give an address. From Einar Hoel's cert: lived at 3335 Dickens Av; single; born Oct 12 1886; Machinist; father Edward, mother Joanne (hard to read);heart problem; buried Mt. Olive. Anne Hoel, 2026 N Spaulding Ave, divorced from Edward; born Aug 28, 1853; born Christiana to Mathias Hansen;buried Mt. Olive. From the 1930 census, Edward was mis-indexed as Edward Hall; age 72, page 8a, ed 463, image 0848, roll t626 434. ..was a boarder with a Mary Larsen. I ordered film for Ed..but you can ask for an obit and perhaps follow up by asking the Kankakee Public Library to look for an obit and for help regarding info about the Manteno State Hospital..likely he was living there. I may try to locate their graves on a future visit to Mt. O. How are they related to you? Roger.

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Hi Roger,This was just great – thank you so much for all the new information! My e-mail address is mariushellerud@yahoo.comEdward Hoel, or Edvard Hansen Hoel as he was called back in Norway, was a younger brother of my great-great-grandmother, Maren Hansdatter Aaser (1851-1929). So it’s rather close family to me actually.The thing is that a cousin of my grandfather remembered Edward had visited Norway when she was a little girl. Grandmother Maren was still alive, but it must have been after my great-grandfather’s death 1920. In other words: Edward must have visited Norway once in the 1920’s. (I haven’t managed to find his emigration from Oslo yet. This is probably after the Ellis Island closing, and also in a period with big gaps in the computer registered databases here on Digitalarkivet. I have taken a look at the microfilms on the archive in Oslo, but without any result yet). He was then said to be a widower. They also said he later on met another woman (who just was after his money…). This has really irritated me. If Annie died as a widow, how could Edward meet another? And if Annie was the “another” and Johanne the wife, then the story was about 30 years out of chronological order.Now I now, thanks to you, that Edward and Annie divorced. This was however not so common in Norway in those days, and I’ve seen lots of examples where divorced people is entered as single or widowed in for example census records. Whether he really remarried, or just met a new woman, I suppose will be answered with an obituary lookup. I really look forward to learn more about Edward and his life!Again, thank you very, very much for offering your time on this! Also for finding Edward in 1930 and for finding the information about his son Einar. It means a lot for me to find out all this. Maybe, in a far future, I’ll try to present this material in a little booklet or something with all the descendants of Kari Halvorsdatter Hoel, née Grøtvedt. She was Edward Hoel’s great-grandmother.If you need genealogical research here in Norway, you must just let me know, and I’ll try my best!Marius

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Hi again,Just wanted to tell that I’ve now ordered obituary-lookups for both Edward Hoel in Kankakee, and also for a Mary Hoel in Kankakee, that thought might be very interesting. These are the only two persons with the last name Hoel registered in the database as dead in Kankakee County.I do also have some hypotheses about Annie (Anne) Hansen, daughter of Mathis Hansen: When a nephew of Edward named Hans Theodor Hoel emigrates from Kristiania early in the 1900’s, he is leaving together with the brothers Nils and Mathis (Mathias) Pettersen Holm of Spydeberg here in Østfold County. All of them are entering Edward as their relative/friend in the U.S.A. I really wonder if these two boys could be are related to Annie somehow, and hope that I’m able to find out at the local library tomorrow. (I’m staying with my parents in Trøgstad for the weekend, and at the library in Skjønhaug we have microfilms for much of the nearby area in Østfold and Akershus counties). Perhaps they have a father called Petter Mathisen/Hansen, Annie’s brother? (I’m a really day dreamer :-) ).Actually I do have another clue as well, the earlier mentioned Carl Amundsen/Amundson is said to be nephew of Annie and Edward in 1920, and since Annie Hoel is still living together with him after her divorce, I suppose that she is the blood-related.Marius

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Roger,Just wanted to thank you so much for the two e-mails. That was great to get the original images attached!Hans Theodor Hoel returned to Norway after a while. He might have emigrated again later on, but I think I’ll try to trace him here first. I do think I have some information that should make it possible to get in touch with one of his nephews.I had a look at the Holm-brothers in the church records today, but can’t see any relation between them and Annie Hoel (née Hansen) so far.Marius

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Later this week i will lookup the exact date of death in 1905 for Mathea Amondsen Hansen, Anne/annie's father, born 1868, right? I found a 'double' headstone at Mt O., Annie Hoel on the left of Mathea(1868-1905) per the stone. But no dates on Anne's side; so i will call the office this week to sort that out! Einar is nearby, but with only a small 'foot' marker. There is a Nils Carl Pettersen, d 10-31-1939 in the IL index, do you have the middle names for the brothers? --if any. Roger.

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Hi Roger,What you are doing for me now is just fantastic – it’s easy to trace your ancestor’s descendants in the U.S. when you have people as Laila and you out there to help! I wish I can come to Chicago once and take a look at the tombstone myself. And the poor Einar, whit just a “foot” marker... :-)Here in Norway they very often are removed after some years if the relatives not are paying and having a look after the flowers etc. Isn’t it like that in the U.S.? (I have lots of relatives on my an other side which lived in Chicago. I do actually think some of them were buried at Mt. Olive as well. So I’m interested if maybe I should try to write a letter to the cemetery office and ask for information).Annie’s father’s name was Mathias Hansen. However I don’t think it’s he you’ve found, but rather her sister. In Norwegian Mathea is a female name, and I do know Annie had a nephew named Carl Amundsen (Amundson) (born about 1901 in Illinois), and this is for sure his mother and Annie’s sister. Marvelous! I’m interesting in all stuff about Annie’s family as well so I, hopefully, can manage to find them here in Norway before their emigration.I have, so far, no names of possible brothers of Annie. Who do you think this Nils Carl Pettersen might be???Don’t know how to thank you. I’m so grateful,Marius

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

I've ordered film for Nils to learn; and ordering an obit for Mathea seems indicated, she passed on May 9, 1905, in the records as Mathea Hansen; i ordered her film also. Have you found Carl in the 1930 census? Roger.

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Hi Roger,I look forward to hear the results of your research. Especially whether any other place of birth than Kristiania (my experience is that “Kristiania” in this context not necessarily is too accurate. Also people born in the nearby counties Østfold (Smaalenene in older days) or Akershus could be entered as born in Kristiania, the nearest city), parents or other siblings are entered.I’ve tried to find Annie (Anne) in the census of 1865, but so far without any results. I’ve also looked for the emigration of her and Mathea. (As far as I can see Mathea isn’t entered in the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index. This means, hopefully that she was married before she left Norway, and not that she married in Cook after 1900 – then it will be more difficult for me to find her I suppose).Carl Amundsen is living in the same house as Annie Hoel in the 1930 census, together with between other wife and a German father-in-law.Marius

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Hi,Just wanted to rapport that I've now got answer from the Kankakee volunteer.He tried to find obituaries for Mary Doe Hoel and Edward Hoel, which dates of death are entered in the Illinois Statewide Death Index. Unfortunately the volunteer couldn’t find obits for any of them :-(Marius

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Marius---have you contacted a James(jim) Hoel of Evanston? I wonder if he is from Hans Theodor? He was born ca1921 in Illinois...i have not looked at the 1920/1930 census...can you do that or shall i? Roger.

[Gjest Marius Hellerud]

Hi Roger,Nice to hear from you again after so long . You really helped me out with my Hoel problems that time! Yes, I do have access to the 1920 and 1930 censuses trough a friend, so I can have a look myself. No, I've just worked all the summer and not contacted anyone. Thank you so much. The thing is I’ve found Hans Theodor in Norway again around 1910, and I’m not sure if he immigrated once again or not. But probably he did.By the way I have to tell you I asked my friend, your “cousin Astrid” about you Enebakk-family. The Madsens you also helped me with were originally from Hvidsten in Enebakk, and I understood you too had ancestors in that parish. Unfortunately I haven’t found any connections. Yet.Yours Marius