[#16245] Jans Hans OLSEN from Hedrum

[Gjest Hans Mathisen]

From the Bygdebok for Hedrum: Jon Halvorsen, son of Halvor Jacobsen. Halvor's wife not mentioned. Jon born ca 1640, farmed on Solberg ca 1675-1703, married to Aase Pedersdatter. Her parents and birth place not given. Children of Jon and Aase: 1. Mathis, born ca 1661, believed to have lived on Solberg, was also working on Gjone farm. 2. Elias, who farmed Solberg ca 1705-1731. He was born ca 1664.

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Why I put enclosed 'Pedersdatter' with brackets and added a questionmark in contribution 74:As far as I know, the source for Åse Solberg is a probate record from October 19th 1741 Lenke where 'Aase Soelberg' is said to be sister of 'Helge Pedersdatter Mangelrød' and 'Marthe Pedersdatter Bierche'. Note that as long as the patronymic of Åse isn't mentioned, there's a possibility that she is their halfsister, hence her father may not be a Peder after all.To find the parents of the three sisters would indeed be interesting. As all three were living in Hedrum, it's reasonable to assume that their parents also lived in Hedrum.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Can someone translate this probate record for me please. Is the date 2 november 1756 the date of death or date of probate?#Folio 261a-261b / nr. 206 / 2. november 1756Rasmus Matthiassen og hustrue Kisten Pedersdatter Unøe i Hedrum Sogn.Ekteparet hadde bodd på plassen Unøe under Haffalden.Arvinger: # Datteren Karen Rasmusdatter, tjener hos Ole Halvorsen på plassen Unøe. # Datteren Maria Rasmusdatter, tjener hos Ole Matthiesen Ludahl. # Datteren Anne Rasmusdatter, hos Hans Rønningen. # Datteren Cathrine Rasmusdatter, hos Ole Halvorsen på plassen Unøe.Hans Pedersen Rømmingen ble verge for barna.Brutto: 25 - 2 - 1 Netto: 5 - 1 - 19

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Nov 2nd 1756 is the date of the probate. The 'folio'-numbers refers to page, and 'nr. 206' is the number in the protocol.It's a probate record for the married couple Rasmus Mathiassen and Kirsten Pedersdatter, who had been living at Ono, a place under the farm Hafallen in Hedrum parish.Heirs were their four daughters: 1) Karen Rasmusdatter; she was a maid at Ole Halvorsen's at Ono. 2) Maria Rasmusdatter; she was a maid at Ole Mathiassen's at Ludal. 3) Anne Rasmusdatter, living at Hans Rønningen's. 4) Cathrine Rasmusdatter, living at Ole Halvorsen's at Ono.Hans Pedersen at Rømmingen (obviously the same person as Hans Rønningen) became the childrens guardian.Rasmus and Kirstens possessions valued 25 riksdaler 2 ort 1 skilling (1 riksdaler = 4 ort = 96 skilling), but after subtraction of the debt, only 5 riksdaler 1 ort 19 skilling was left over to the heirs (a relatively small amount of money).

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Thanks Kristian.Is there anyway to find out when and how Rasmus and Kirsten died. I presume they died at Ono although Ole Halverson was living there. I also presume that this is the Rasmus who was Mathis Jonsens son and Marthe Mathisdtr sister. Is this correct?

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Kirsten was buried May 6th 1756, age 42, and Rasmus was buried May 23rd 1756, age 40, once again my Hedrum website: [url="http://folk.uio.no/khunskaa/slekt/beg1751.html>http://folk.uio.no/khunskaa/slekt/beg1751.html'>http://folk.uio.no/khunskaa/slekt/beg1751.html>http://folk.uio.no/khunskaa/slekt/beg1751.html (Front page: http://folk.uio.no/khunskaa/slekt/ unfortunately only in norwegian).And - yes, this is the correct Rasmus. As you can see, the four daughters, all but one lived with their uncles. Amomg them, Katrine/Cathrine was baptised Apr 13th 1755. The other three is probably baptised before 1751 as they can't be found in the churchbook (the first churchbook starts 1751). That should make sense, two of them served as maids. I guess they were born in the 1740s.Rasmus is mentioned as one of the heirs in the probate record of Karen Pedersdatter 19. oktober 1741 Lenke A translation of parts of my extraction of the probate record:'Rasmus Mathiassen, a servant at Vestrum in Hedrum parish, 25 years old, told that he had a brother named Ole Mathiassen, 22 years old, who is a servant at Anders Bjønnes's, and that they, just like their sister Marthe Mathiasdatter, who is a maid at Anders Olsen Kjær's, were second cousins to Karen Pedersdatter. Their father, Mathias Jonsen Solberg, was son of Karen's grandmothers sister Åse Solberg.'Then, in the 1701-census (only males) Lenke you'll find at Solberg: Jon Halvorsen, 76 years old, and his sons Matis (or Mathias) Jonsen, 40 years old, servant at Søndre Gjone, and Elias Jonsen, 38 years old.Finally, in 1666

[Gjest jeff Erickson]

Thanks Kristian

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

I am now looking for Lars Sorrensen who married Karen Olsdatter on 7 jul 1780. Where was he born. Who were his parents. There seen to have been a number of Lars Sorrensens about. Was he from Langjem in Hedrum. Was he born 12 August 1750 witha father Sorren Mikkelsen. From the probate of Soren (328b-329a 30 jan 1759)Lars is shown as 7 in 1759 f this is the right one

[Gjest Hans Mathisen]

Yes, the Lars Sørensen who in 1780 married Karen Olsdatter, daughter of Ole Halvorsen Steinsholt, was from Langjem in Hedrum. His father was Søren Mikkelsen, born abt. 1717 on Ringdal Østre in Hedrum. He came to Langjem from Tjølling as a widover. He was married 3 times and Lars was from his third marriage. His 3 wifes were 1. Maren Hansdatter from Auby Øvre in Tjølling, 2. Gunhild Pedersdatter, widow after Peder Hansen Langjem, and 3. Gjertrud Larsdatter, who was born on Langjem.All this according to the Hedrum Bygdebok.

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Lars can't be found baptised in the churchbook. Jeff; what is your source for his date of birth?Parents of Søren Mikkelsen were Mikkel Olsen (abt. 1667-abt. 1725) and Karen Iversdatter at Ringdal Østre in Hedrum.Lars' mother was Gjertrud Larsdatter (abt. 1721-?); her parents were Lars Jensen (abt. 1695-abt. 1725) and Kristine Jansdatter (?-1764) at Langjem in Hedrum - Kristine remarried and died at Bjørnø in Brunlanes.Lars Jensen was son of Jens Larsen (abt. 1641-abt. 1737) and Anne Sverkelsdatter (abt. 1673-1753) at Reinemo in Hedrum.That's what I've got, but there might be some more information in the bygdebok.

[Gjest jeff Erickson]

Thanks Hans and Kristian, My date of 12 Aug 1750 for Lars Sorrensen came from the Family Search IGI. There are at least 4 entries showing Lars was born 12 Aug 1750 at Langjem and died at Stensholt in June 1809. His son Soren was born 17 sep 1780 and died 25 May ?. Other children were Marthe Maria,Olene, Marthe Kristine, Jens and Gunhild Maria. There are several film references to the IGI entries for Lars

[Gjest jeff Erickson]

I have found a reference to Ole Halvorsen aged 15 in 1737 in the probate record for Clemmet Olssen Schotten in Hvarnaes Annex - Folio 335b-338b / nr 7/ 27. februar 1737. I think it says OLe Halvorsen was the son of Clemmet Olssen's brother and OLe's mother was Dorthe Arnesdatter Hougen. Can someone translate the rest of the entry for me. There is mention of Laurdahl. Is this the same Ole Halvorsen [74] who married Marthe Mattiasdatter in 1751. What was Clemmet Olsens brothers name

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

As for the birthdate, I can't understand what kind of primary source which should provide it. That there are four entries may only mirror that three of them have copied the first one. I won't reject the existence of a primary source, but personally I consider the information of 7 years in 1759 as most accurate.You have understood the probate record correctly, but I'm afraid it's another Ole Halvorsen. This one farmed Haugen (Hougen) until he died 1776. His father was Halvor Olsen at Haugen (probate record March 26th 1725).To give a short translation of the probate record of Klemet Olsen at Skåtan (normal spelling): He was inherited by his widow Elen Trondsdatter. As they had no children, his siblings (or siblings heirs) also inherited him. This was Ole Halvorsen, to whom Morten Holt became guard, and Klemet's sister Maren Olsdatter, married to Anders Olsen and living at Åsen, Bergan in Lardal. The widow took Ole Trondsen at Naug in Lardal as guard. Other sources shows that he was her brother.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Is the Kari Ivarsdatter born about 1687 at Rodbol Hedrum and dying 7/aug/1728 wuth mother Mari Knutsen and father of Ivar Nilsen the mother of Sorren Mikkelsen [85].Was Mikkel Olsen's father Ole Dyresen?

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Question 1: Yes, although I'm not sure if date of death can be confirmed. I have not found any probate record for her.Question 2: He was, according to the bygdebok.

[Gjest Hans Mathisen]

It is not entirely clear to me what you are asking, so my answer may be far out. However, I can confirm that Karen Iversdatter from Rødbøl was Mikkel Olsen Østre Ringdal's third wife and indeed the mother of Søren Mikkelsen, born on Ringdal Østre abt 1717 and later farming on Langjem. Karen Iversdatter's parents: Iver Nilsen, 58 years old in 1701, died 1729, farming on Rødbøl 1677-1719, and his first wife Maren Knutsdatter, born on Rødbøl, died 1699. Maren was the daughter of Knut Sørensen and Kirsten Sørensdatter from Seierstad Søndre. Knut was 42 years old in 1665 and he died abt 1671. Kirsten died 1687.All this according to Hedrum Bygdebok only.

[Gjest jeff Erickson]

i believe there is a reference to Ole Dyresen [89] from Østre Ringdal on page 643 of the Tjolling bygdebok. Can someone translate the reference for me.Ole seems to have been born at Østre Ringdal in Hedrum. Does the bygdebok say when he was born and who his parents were. It seems to have been between 1612 and 1620

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

I don't have the Tjølling bygdebok at hand right now. However, there is a Dyre preceding Ole Dyresen farming Østre Ringdal. This is certainly his father, but his mother's name is unknown.You can find Dyre at Ringdal in 1630: [url="http://folk.uio.no/khunskaa/slekt/lan1630.html>http://folk.uio.no/khunskaa/slekt/lan1630.htmlIn 1645 Dyre is mentioned with his wife ('hans Kuinde'), apparently farming only half of Ringdal Østre, as there is also a Hans Ringdal:

[Gjest Hans Mathisen]

In Tjølling bygdebk, on page 643, a reference to Ole Dyresen states that 'Truls left over the small farm ('plassen' Skolmerød) in 1745 to Ole Dyresen from Ringdal, Hedrum. He (O.D.) was a tennant on Skolmerød until 1752'From Hedrum bygdebok, page 310: Ole Dyresen, father of Mikkel, was 52 years old in 1665, i.e. born abt 1613. His father's name is just given as Dyre Ringdal, without a patronym. Dyre farmed Østre Ringdal in the period 1625-abt 1660, partly together with a man called Hans (around 1645). No name of wife given.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Thanks again Hans and Kristian, Obviously the Tjolling Ole is not the right one. Perhaps he is a grandson or greatgrandson of the one at Østre Ringdal in the 1600's. He also was from Østre Ringdal. What does 'left over' mean? - left in a will? The Ole born 1612 probably at Ostre Ringdal seems to have died about 1690. Is it possible to find out where if he only farmed Østre Ringdal until 1660. He seems to have married Marthe MIkkelsen about 1645. She was born in Hedrum 1618-1625. Can this be verified? I have a reference to say Ole's father was Dyre Tolleivssen. Can this be verfied? If so where was his father from?

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

It is true that the farmer preceding Dyre at Ringdal Østre was named Tolf/Tollef/Tolleiv, but there is no evidence that they were father and son. NB: Don't mix up with Dyre Tollefsen at Skjerven in neighbour-parish Lardal.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Anders Mortensen lived at HÅKESTÅD ØSTRE in Tjolling from 1715 till his death in 1722. Where was he before 1715?.Sandar? He married Ellen Frantzdtr. There were 4 children Maren, Berte, Marte ca1702, Karen ca 1708. Where were they born?

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

The only Anders Mortensen, who may be the one you are looking for, in Sandar, Tjølling, Hedrum, Brunlanes and Tjøme in 1701 is this one at Bukkeli farm, Tjøme (listed twice): LenkeHowever, he may have come from another parish or from one of the towns.By the way, I've discovered that the initials of Dyre Ringdal was D.T. The T may stand for Tollefsen, but we can't know for sure.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Thank you Kristian. Is there a bygdebok for Sandar. Does it show how long he was at Bukkeli. He didn't seem to move to Håkeståd Østre until 1715 although there are some records that show him dead at 1708. 1657 seems to be the right birth year.

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Bukkeli will be in the Tjøme bygdebok. This book has been missing (!) from the National Archive Library for two years, but perhaps someone else has access to the book?Tjøme was a subparish of Nøtterøy in those years. This link shows baptisms in Nøtterøy and Tjøme 1686-1738 [url="http://www.vestfold-slekt.net/cgi-bin/db.cgi?db=0722MINII1Dp&Aar=&Fornavn=&Kjoenn=---&Fornavn_far=&Etternavn_far=&Bosted_far=&Fornavn_mor=&Etternavn_mor=&Bosted_mor=&keyword=&ma=off&mh=999&sb=0&view_records=Start+s%F8k>Lenke but I can't see that any Anders at Bukkeli has children baptised.By the way, a useful link which shows bygdebooks from Vestfold: