[#20192] OLe Nilsen Oderden u/ Gjone Nordre , Hedrum b ca 1765

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Can anyone help with the christening date for Ole Nilsen b about 1765. He was the son of Nils Olsen at the plassen Odegården under Gjone Nordre. He married Ellen Gulliksd 27 dec 1792 in Hedrum. I have found a birth in Hedrum in 1764 but the father is Nils Nordquelle. Is Nils Nordqvelle the same person as Nils Olsen.

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Firstly, a look in 1801-census reveals that his mothers name was Siri Jacobsdatter, 76 years of age, widow:[url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f10727&variabel=0&postnr=1736&fulle=true&spraak=n>LenkeSecondly, if Ole Nilsen is baptised in Hedrum, the one you have found is likely to be the correct one, because he is the only Ole Nilsen baptised in the 1760s. However, your Ole Nilsen might have been born/baptised somewhere else!Thirdly, this marriageentry shows that Siri Jacobsdatter's husbond was named Nils Olsen, so at least his patronymic is established:LenkeThen the question is - who is Nils Olsen? At Nordkvelde in 1762, there is a Nils listed as son of Ole Hansen and Anne Sivertsdatter (see link below). But beware! Other sources show that this Nils is Anne's son from a previous marriage. Hence he is Ole Hansen's stepson, and his full name is Nils Isaksen.LenkeThen, the only Nils Olsen in Hedrum 1762 is a servant at Lysebo (link below), and he must necessarily be the correct one, unless a Nils Olsen has moved into Hedrum between 1762 and 1763, which I don't believe, as there, by coincidence, exists lists of migration for the period.LenkeThere are many children born in the 1760s with father listed as Nils Nordkvelde (Nordqvel etc.). In fact some of them are baptised so close in time, that there must be (at least) two Nils at Nordkvelde at the time. And, luckily, one of them is named Nils Olsen:LenkeThe other Nils is Nils Isaksen, who also married in 1763. Because we must believe that noone could baptise children with less than nine months between, by examining the list of children born at Nordkvelde, I'm forced to conclude that the Ole baptised Feb 12th 1764 (link below) is son of Nils Olsen from the link above.

[Gjest Berit Gaarder]

Let's start from the beginning:Hedrum bygdebok: Gjone Nordre, plass: Ødegården: Nils Olsen, dead 1799, age 78. 'Husmann m/jord'. Married 1763 Siri Jacobsdatter, dead 1801, age 70. Children Ole: born 1765, dead 1842. married to Ellen Gulliksdatter. 7 children.Digitalarkivet: Trolovede og viede i Hedrum 1785-1801: Married 27 d4c 1792: Ole Nielsen Gione Ødegaardeen and Ellen Gulliksdatter. Forlovere (Best men): Simon Biønes, Børre Bierke. - Yes this must be the same persons.Digitalarkivet: 1801-telling for Hedrum. (census): Farm: Jonne Nordre: Ole Nielsen, age 36, and Elen Gulechsdtr., his wife, age 26. Yrke (occupation) Plads med jord (same as husmann). They have 4 children, and they are also living with his mother Siri Jachobsdtr., age 76. She is a widow after her first marriage.Digitalarkivet: Trolovede og viede i Hedrum 1751-1785: Married 19. Oct. 1763: Niels Olsen and Siri Jacobsd. Forlovere: Anders Biønnes and Halvor Bonnegolt. Vitner (Witnesses): Søren Ramsdal and Hans Biønnes. This is the parents of Ole according to the 'bygdebok'.The farms where 'forlovere' and 'vitner' came from are situated at the banks of the lake Farris. Oles 'forlover' is also from Biønnes.If you want to look at a map, try this address: Lenke. Note: Bjønnes has changed name to Bjørnnes, and is situated in Porsgrunn kommune, and Hedrum is now Larvik kommue.The churchbook from 1751-1777 does not mention the mother at the christening. I have looked for more children of Niels Nordqvell (Nordkvelde). In 1765 he christened a daughter, Anne. He is then mentioned as Niels Olsen Nordqvell. She has one fadder (Witness) in common with Ole christened 1764. The other seems to be from the same farms: Nordqvell, Furelund (Furulund).I have found four children of Niels Nordkvelde: Ole b.1764, Anne b.1765, Anne b.1768, Anna b. 1770 and Henric b.1774.When I look at the map, and the witnesses for the christenings and the marriages, I doubt that Niels Nordkvelde is the father of Ole Nielsen Gjoneødegården. None of the childrens witnesses are from Biønnes nor Bonnegolt. And these farms are quite far from Nordkvelde.My guess is that Niels came from the other side of Farris. From a farm in Eidanger (now: Porsgrunn), Siljan or Brunlanes (now: Larvik). I can not find any Niels Olsen in the 'Bygdebok' on the farms Biønnes and Bonnegolt.I have not looked for Ole and Ellens children. Their witnesses may tell something else.Berit

[Gjest Berit Gaarder]

Well there you can see! Two different conclusions in a short time.Berit

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Anne (1768), Anna (1770) and Henrik (1774) were children of Nils Isaksen and Johanne Olsdatter at Nordkvelde Søndre, I think.Most of the witnesses at the baptism came from farms in the neighbourhood, and are likely to be just neighbours, not necessarily relatives. But 'Jon Qvelsvig', witness when Ole Nilsen was baptised, and brother of Siri Jacobsdatter, shows that we're on the right track.I'm therefore convinced that my conclusion from (2) is correct. However, I support Berit's suggestion that Nils Olsen perhaps came from the other side of lake Farris. But it's also possible that he was a 'native' from Hedrum.

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

Two more children, born at Gjoneødegården:[url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=heddp751&variabel=0&postnr=1232&fulle=true&spraak=n>Lenke

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Thank you Kristian and Berit