[#29554] Johan Karlberg, Master Mariner, Kragero

[Gjest Erling Karlberg]

Many thanks for your response and the information contained therein.The details re: my grandfather were taken from the marriage certificate of my mother, Irene Nicol (Scottish)(aged 19) and my father, Karl Kristian Karlberg (Norwegian Royal Navy)(aged 30) dated 20th March 1945, in the marriage registry of St.Giles Parish, Edinburgh, Scotland.It is written in longhand script and I consulted an online microfiche of the original document.In the marriage certificate there is a section for providing details of the marriage parties' parents.Although Kragero is clear as the town of my grandfather's residence, the world after Kragero, 'Banen' with a capital B, is unclear.Similarly,the address of my grandfather is given as,as far as I can decipher the script, Tarya (?) 'Street' although I appreciate that this sounds like Greek (or Abyssinian or perhaps Martian)to a Norwegian! The name of my grandmother,Colette Karlberg is quite clear, although her maiden name,which seems to be Harbin, is again a little unclear.I hope this information can take this enquiry a step further.Your help is sincerely appreciated.Erling John Karlberg

[Gjest Arnstein Rønning]

Hi Erling! It would have been better if you had used your former item, but I make a link: Lenke

[Gjest Arnstein Rønning]

Colette Harbin sounds French/English to me. No use of the name Colette in Norway at that time, I think. Using the mormon database (FamilySearch: Lenke the only Harbin in Norway seems to be wrong written instead of Harbitz. Many Harbin in the British Isles though.But you are searching Karlberg in Kragerø, and it is to hope that someone LOCAL shows up here!

[Gjest Lill Ann Parry]

According to Holte, Slektregister for Drangedal, Vol 4, p. 201 marriage #4881dJohan Henrik Pedersen Karlberg, born 28 Jul 1885, died 24 Jun 1958 married 4 Mar 1909 to Gunhild Olette Olsdatter Øverland, Svenum from Sannidal, born 1 jan 1879, died 29 Feb 1945, daughter of Husmann Ole Nilsen ØverlandAmong their children is Karl, born 5 Nov 1914, died 24 Apr 1981. The deaths were from the Sannidal parish records. Sannidal is considered a part of Kragerø.In addition to Karl, Peder Leif, born 24 May 1909, christened Drangedal 4 Jul 1909 died 19 Dec 1975 Olaf, born 19 Sept 1911, died 21 Aug 1978 married Kjellaug Jonsdatter Aabøe Henrik born 7 Nov 1921, died 8 June 1988 Ingvald MarySure looks like your family.Lill Ann

[Gjest Arnstein Rønning]

Here is Ole Nilsen Øverland in 1900: LenkeHe is born in 1838 in Nissedal (Telemark). His wife, Karen Tellefsdatter is born in 1845 in Drangedal (Telemark).

[Gjest Erling John Karberg]

Hi Arnstein, Lill Ann,Many thanks for your invaluable assistance. I believe that the entry from the Slektsregister for Dragendal is fairly conclusive - especially the 'Olette' (Colette as I read it) in my grandmother's name, as well as the date of birth of my father, Karl of Nov.1914 which made him 30 yrs. old on the date of his marriage( 20th March 1945). Regarding the marriage certificate of my grandfather, is there a column for job or profession ?The other point is that it would appear that my grandfather’s family is from Sweden and my grandmother from Norway. Thanks Arnstein for the data on her family. Do you know how I could proceed to find the Swedish forbears of my grandfather?Also, could you advise the procedure in Norway for me to obtain an officially recognised copy of this information, in particular the marriage certificate of my grandparents, and the birth and death certificates of my father, Karl, who died in 1981.Sincere regards,Erling

[Gjest Arnstein Rønning]

I will have a closer look at this later - just now the sun is shining, and I am putting roofing-tiles on my little garden-house.See you at the Edinburgh Tatoo in August!Arnstein

[Gjest Arnstein Rønning]

...but I am sure there are others willing to help you at once...

[Gjest Arnstein Rønning]

It is written a 'bygdebok' (local history book/familybook/farm-book) for Sauherad, called 'Bygdebok for Sauherad' by Birger Kirkeby. You can reach the local 'history-club' here: [url="http://home.no.net/nneri/>http://home.no.net/nneri/Nissedal bygdebok is called: 'Nissedal bygdesoge'.Drangedal: 'Drangedal bygdebok'Here is the register of Sannidal bygdebok: http://home.online.no/~kjendal/register.htmlYou may start new queries asking for someone to look up your ancestors in those 'bygde'-books.And here is a place to look for Swedish roots:

[Gjest Arnstein Rønning]

...to get the marriage certificate, try this one: statsarkivet.kongsberg@riksarkivaren.dep.nohttp://www.riksarkivet.no/kongsberg/om.html

[Gjest Arnstein Rønning]

Here is Peder Ludvig Karlberg (Karlberg is a typical Swedish name) in 1900: LenkeHe is growing potatoes/grain, he has creatures, he has a kitchen garden and a fruit garden. He lives at the little cotters farm called 'Opseidkås' and he has his own business as a tailor (many tailors from Sweden came to Norway).

[Gjest Egil J. Tveit]

Hello Erling. Your great grandfather Olav Nilsson Øverland was borne 1839 on the farm Tveitane in Kyrkjebygda in Nissedal. His father was Nils Tarjeison Grimstveit borne 1809, his mother was Tone Olavsdtr. Ibrekk borne 1810. If you want more information about his ancestors, send me your email address. We are distant related. You are my 6th cousin. Regards Egil

[Gjest Erling John Karlberg]

Dear all,Thanks to all, especially Arnstein, for your help and information - I will follow up and let you all know of developments in due course. My email address incidentally is j.karlberg@abdn.ac.uk (University of Aberdeen)where currently I am a postgraduate researcher in tropical deforestation.Erling