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Gjest Susan Craft

I am looking for any information about Martinius Mahlen Born Dec 22, 1819 Verdal. He married Serianna unknown Born March 1825. They had the following children that I know of. If I have the right family.Ove b:Nov. 1861 Martin b: September 1863there is supposed to be another child. The 1910 census for Todd Co., Minnesota says the Serianna had 3 children and three were living. Possibly a daughter that I haven't found yet.

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Gjest Susan Craft

Thank you Berit!So she then had 4 children. I have found headstones in Gordon Township, Todd County, Minnesota for Anton, Ove og Kone, Serianna, Martin O. and Anne. They are in the Sauk Valley church cemetery.I am not good with your language yet so am not totally sure what the records say that you have found for me.Susan Ove married Beret Marie Pedersdtr. of Brendmoe gaard. They had 7 children and I have a picture of Ove, Berit and their first two daughters. I am still working on most of the family and a picture of the Brendmoe family.Is Verdal far from Meraaker?

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Gjest Susan Craft

The records show that Martinus wife Anne died before the family came to America. So where does Serianna fall into the picture. Would she a sister to Martinus? The census say that she came to America in 1867. That date doesn't change from year to year. Perhaps she was a sister to Anne.Can someone maybe give me some ideas? :-) Susan

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Gjest Trond Okkenhaug

Hei Susan. Jeg må desverre svare deg på norsk, men kanskje kan Berit oversette for deg om det er noe du ikke forstår. Martinus Melen ble f. 19.12.1819 på Kulsli i Verdal. Datoen er kontrollert i kirkeboka. Han utv. 1869, og døde 1905 i Sauk Valley, Minnesota. Hans foreldre var Ole Olsen Veske, gm. Elen Olsdtr., begge født i Skogn, Nord-Trøndelag. Han ble gift 06.01.1854 i Vuku med Anna Johannesdtr. f. 17.12.1824 på Elnes i Vuku, Verdal, død 26.02.1871 på Melen, samme dag som Amerika-bilettene kom fra Martinus i USA. De hadde da 6 barn: Elen 13.03.1854-13.01.1848, Johannes 05.12.1855, Olina 12.07.1858, Ove 24.11.1860, Martin 27.09.1863 og Anton 21.04.1867.Den 17 år gamle Elen tok med seg sine 5 søsken på 4-15 år og reiste til far Mortinus i Amerika 03.05.1871, vel 2 mnd. etter at mora var død. Det var også 53 andre Verdalinger som reiste den dagen til Quebec, så de hadde følge.Elen ble gift med Nikolai Olsen Skjenstad f. 16.03.1847 på Skjenstad i Malvik, Sør-Trøndelag, død 30.07.1890 West Union, Todd Co., Minnesota, de fikk 9 barn, se Malvikboka IV side 521.Martinus g2m. (kanske/maybe) Sirianna Tørrisdtr. Skrove f. 20.08.1844 på Melen i Vuku (ja slik er det!!!!) av foreldre Tørris Johannessen og Lisbeth Gabrielsdtr. Tørris utv. 1866, og Lisbeth med 6 barn 01.05.1867,-det stemmer jo også med Susans's opplysninger. Jeg er interesert i videre opplysninger om Martinus og hans etterkommere. mvh Trond

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Gjest Berit Knudsen

At first a map of Norway. As you see Trondheim is in the center of the map. Write Verdal in the box to the left and pick the first of the hits. Its should be a map with Verdal Centrum (pin with green head) klick 3 times to øst (east)on the side of the map, and you will see Vuku (above no.758). I hope it works. http://www.hvor.no/Translation, not perfect but I belive you will understand:'Hei. Susan.Sorry but I must answer you in norwegian, but maybe Berit can translate for you the text you do not understand.Martinus Melen was born 19.12.1819 at Kulsli in Verdal. The date is controlled against the churchrecords. He emigrated in 1869, and died 1905 in Sauk Valley, MI. His parents were Ole Olsen Veske, married to Elen Olsdatter, both born in Skogn, Nord-Trøndelag (a little south-west of Verdal). He was married 06.01.1854 in Vuku to Anna Johannesdatter born 17.12.1824 at Elnes in Vuku, Verdal, died 26.02 1871 at Melen, same day as the tickets to America arrived form Martinius who was in America. They had 6 children:Elen b. 13.03.1854 - 13.01.1848 ??Johannes b. 05.12.1855.Olina b. 12.07.1858.Ove b. 24.11.1860.Martin b. 27.09.1863.Anton b. 21.04.1867.A little more than 2 months after their mother died, the 17 year old Elen brought with her the 5 siblings, age between 4-15 years, and 03.05.1871 travelled to their father Martinus/Mortinus in America. At the same day, 53 other people from Verdal travelled to Quebec, so they had company.Elen was married to Nikolai Olsen Skjenstad b. 16.03.1847 at Skjenstad in Malvik, Sør-Trøndelag, died 30.07.1890 West Union, Todd Co., MI, they had 9 children, see Malvik bygdebok IV page 521.Martinus was remarried (maybe?) to Sirianna Tørrisdatter Skrove, b. 20.08.1844 at Melen in Vuku (yes thats how it was!!!!) by here parents Tørris Johannessen and Lisbeth Gabrielsdatter. Tørris emigrated in 1866, and Lisbeth with their 6 children emigrated 01.05.1867, - and this information agrees with Susans informations.I am interested in further information about Martinus and his descendants. Best regards from Trond.' Hei Trond.Når døde Elen Martinusdt. (1854-1848), det årstallet du skrev kan ikke være riktig. (When did Elen Martinusdt. (1854-1848) die, the year must be wrong)? Mvh. Berit

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Gjest Berit Knudsen

About the map. I forgot when you write Verdal, at first you will find the name Nord-Trøndelag. Click on Nord-Trøndelag and then you will see them name Verdal. And it is enough with twice to the east.If you want to see Skogn on the map too and you are looking at Vuku I belive you can go 1 south and about 4 times to vest(west). From Verdal Centrum 1 south and 1-2 times 'vest'. Try it.

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Gjest Susan Craft

Hei Berit, Thank you for translating Trond's entry for me. I have been working on the translation through an online dictionary but many words are not there so it has been slow going. I appreciate the help and tell Trond that I am very happy to share any information that I have with him. Is it okay to give our personal email address in this forum? If so I will put it in and then I can send Trond a PDF file with the information that I have been able to find so far. You may have to translate for him as I am not all that good at the Norwegian language yet, but, I am learning as quickly as I can for age 55. With the additional names I am sure to find more information. I also have a few headstone pictures as well as a picture of the Sauk Valley Church with its cemetery around on three sides of the land it stands on. I will be looking for more people when I go to Minnesota for the summer this year. I am going to play with the maps a bit more now. Thank you again.Med hilsen Susan

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Gjest Berit Knudsen

Hei Trond.Jeg vet ikke om du leser engelsk, men Susan takker for hjelpen og og vil gjerne dele sin informasjon med deg. Hun vil legge inn sin e-mail adresse her slik at dere kan komme i kontakt slik at hun kan sende deg en PDF-fil med den informasjonen hun har. Hun har også en del bilder av kirken og gravstøtter fra Sauk Valley. Hun skal til Minnesota til sommeren, og skal da undersøke mere der.Susan, it is OK to give your E-mail adress here. I have told Trond about this. Berit.

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Gjest Susan Craft

My e-mail is armndcvr@cs.com. I will wait to hear from you both then and we can see if we can fill in some missing pieces. I am already hunting through the census records for these new names to see where they lived and see what else I can find on them. I will have something to add soon I hope. I have a picture of Ove and his wife Berit Marie Brendmoe and their first two daughters, Christine and Mathilda but have to wait a couple days to scan it. The first scan was to large to send so I have to print it and rescan it. I just recently found out the names of the girls husbands and some children.Susan

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Gjest Susan Craft

Trond, Are there any other Serrianna/Sirriannas that might be in that area? I found her to be age 75 in 1900, 85 in 1910 or could the birth date be 1824 instead of 1844. The Immigration date is correct.I am trying to find out more about her. Since Martinus and Anne had 6 children and Serrianna in the 1900 has had 3 children and three are living. This would give Martinus 9 children unless Serrianna is claiming some of the other children that were small when they married. I am going to have fun looking at the church records this summer.Susan

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Gjest Berit Knudsen

Trond, finnes det andre Serrianna/Sirrianna i det området. Jeg har funnet at hun var 75 år i 1900 og 85 i 1910. Kan fødselsdatoen var 1824 istedenfor 1844. Emigrasjonsdatoen er riktig.Jeg prøver å finne ut mere om henne. Siden Martinus og Anne hadde 6 barn og Serianna i 1900 hadde 3 barn som levde. Dette vil gi Martinus 9 barn med mindre Serianna - ?krever noen av de andre barna som var små da de ble gift-?. Hun gleder seg til å se i kirkebøkene til sommeren. Susan. Susan, how old are the children of Serianna in 1900 ? If she was born in 1825 + ab.40-45 years her children must be at least 30 years or more in 1900. Berit. (Trond jeg spør hvor gamle barna til Serianna var i 1900. De må jo være minst 30 år om hun var født i 1825.)

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Gjest Hanne Line Osberg Eide

Another Serianna emigrated with her family (husband + 3 children) from Verdal in 1867: LenkeHusband no 505. Children no 507-509.- Hanne Line -

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Gjest Susan Craft

According to records that Jim is translating from the Sauk Valley and Salem church records there was a Klukken that is listed in the area. It is possible that this is the correct Serianna and perhaps Mikkel died sometime after 1872 and this Serianna and Martinus then married to help each other with the children. I am keeping a close watch on both Seriannas but since this one is born in about 1824 or 1825 it seems most likely.Berit can you pass this on to Trond? It seems both families settled in the area of Todd county. I am still looking for this to make sure.Thank you Hanne for your help. Census records do show her having three children and three living. I have to go back and check which one it is.Ove Melen/Mahlen married a young lady by the name of Berit Marie (Pedersdtr.) BRENDMOE. They immigrated in July of 1871 and settled in the same area as the Melens. The ships name is even the same but, a different agent.Thank you all so much for your help. This information is opening new doors. I am excited about this. Thank you so much. Susan

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Gjest Trond Okkenhaug

Til Berit: Sirianna og Martinus hadde vel ikke barn sammen. De som er nevnt i 1880 er alle fra Norge, Johannes heter nå John, og Anton er 3 år istedet for 13.Den Sirianna som Hanne Line viser til er meget interesant. Hun reiste jo på samme båt som den andre jeg antydet. Sirianna Marie Larsdtr. f. 01.03.1825 på Langdal, gift med Mikkel Andersen Kluken f. 07.06.1824. Er det så at han dør ca. 1872 var jo hun ledig for nye eventyr/strabaser. Mikkel hadde vært i basketak med bjørn, og ble kjent udyktig på sesjonen i 1849!! Se nærmere på denne Sirianna, dere USA-spesialister!! mvh Trond

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Gjest Berit Knudsen

Before I translate, I found this on Familysearch. The submitter is Michael Anderson, Rigby Hall #251, Rexburg ID, USA 83440.Mikkel Klukken Andersson b.1824 Verdal, Trøndelag - 27/5 1872 Osakis, MI, burried Nelson, MI was married to Serianna Langdahl b. 7/3 1825 Verdal, Trøndelag - 8/7 1923 Oasakis, MI, burried Sauk Valley MI. Her parents Lars Andersen Langdahl and Marit Samuelsen.3 children: 'Lars' Louie Andersson 1849 Verdal - 1911 Osakis, Todd, MI.- Alexander b. 22/4 1859 Verdal - 23/9 1934 Seattle, King, Washington (more about him) and Maria Andersson Klukken Johnson b. 14/7 1847 Verdal - 20/10 1933 Osakis, Todd, MI.Alexander Andersson was married june 1877 to OLINA MAHLEN b. 13/7 1858 Verdal - 30/8 1931 Everett, Snohomish, Washington. Father MARTINUS OLSEN MAHLEN b. 17/12 1819 Verdal - 1905 Osakis, Todd, MI. His parents Johannes Jacobsen Elnes 1760-1839 and Karen Olsdt. 1792-1888.Alexander and Oline had 13 children.

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Gjest Susan Craft

This certainly explains why Serianna is listed as mother instead of mother-in-law on the census. I wonder why Martinus and Serianna were living seperately in 1900.She is living with Louis Anderson and wife Oline. His wife must have also been Oline.What is Everett, Snohomish,Washington? Did the information say if they lived there or died there?Now, with this information I found Mike Anderson age 46, Sarah 45, Lewis 21 and Alexander 14 in Gordon Township, Todd Co., MN. This is the Aug. 10, 1870 census. This must be the Mikkel and Serianna we are looking at.Then there are several Klukkens in more recent years. I am not sure yet if these are descendants to the ones that went by Anderson.What was it that Trond said? :-)Sue

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Gjest Berit Knudsen

I can't find Tørris Johannesen, Elisabeth Gabrielsdatter and their children in 1880. I wonder what happend to their daughter Serianna.

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Gjest Berit Knudsen

(17) I henhold til 'records' som Jim oversetter fra Sauk Valley og Salem kirkebøker så fantes det en Klukken oppført i det området. Det er mulig dette er den rette Serianna og kanskje Mikkel døde like etter 1872 og at denne Serianna og Martinus ble gift for å hjelpe hverandre med barna. Jeg skal hode øye med begge Serianna, men siden denne er født ca. 1824/25 er hun den mest sannsynlig.Takk for hjelpen Hanne........Ove Melen giftet seg med en ung pike Berit Marie (Pedersdt.) Brendmoe. De emigrerte i juli 1871, og bosatte seg i samme område som Melen. Selv skipets navn var det samme, men en annen agent. Takk for all hjelp. Denne informasjonen gir nye muligheter. Susan. (18) To Berit. I don't belive Serianna and Martinius had children together. The persons mentioned in 1880 are all from Norway, Johannes is now called John, and Anton is 3 years instead of 13 years.The Serianna Hanne Line found is very interesting. She travelled on the same ship as the other Serianna I have mentioned before.Sirianna Marie Larsdatter b. 1/3 1825 at Langdal, Verdal was married to Mikkel Andersen Kluken b. 7/6 1824. If he died around 1872 she was free and maybe ready for new adventures. Mikkel had been in a fight with a bear, and in 1849 he was not found fit for his military duty. Could the USA specialists take a closer look at this Serianna. Trond.(20) Dette forklarer hvorfor Serianna er oppført som mor istedenfor svigermor i FT. Jeg undres hvorfor Martinius og Serianna bodde hver for seg i 1900. Hun bor sammen med Louis Anderson og kona Oline. Hans kone må også hete Oline.Hva er Everett, Snohomish, Washington. Sa informasjonen om de bodde eller døde der?Med denne informasjonen fant jeg Mike Anderson, 43 år, Sarah 45, Lewis 21 og Alexander 14 år i Gordon Township, Todd Co., MN. Dette er folketellingen 10/8 1870. Det må være den Mikkel og Serianna vi holder på med.I nyere tid finnes det flere Klukken. Jeg er ikke sikker på om de er etterkommere etter Mikkel Anderson. What did Trond say ? Sue.------------- Answer to the question from Susan: Olina died in Everett, Snohomish, Washington. I found the county Snohomish in the 1880 census. You must try Familysearch, Ancestral File. Write Mikkel Anderson, born 1824, and search.Susan, maybe the submitter Michael Anderson is a relative to you. Maybe he knows more about the families. Berit.

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Gjest Susan Craft

I agree with Trond. What is it that he would like to know about Sirianna?Now that I know the Anderson name to be associated with Sirianna this is what I can see but will continue to look for more about her when I go to Sauk Valley this summer.1870 we find her with husband Mike Anderson Mike age 46 farming, Sarah age 45 keeping house, Lewis age 21 works on farm, Alexander age 14 at home1880 we find her listed Olsen Martinus age 61 farmer, Sarah age 56 keeping house, John age 23 farm labor, Ove age 20 farm labor, Martin age 16 farm labor, Anton age 3 at home1900 she is listed with name mispelled Anderson Louis Sept. 1849 age 50 married 25 years Olena wife May 1859 age44, Ola son Mar 1880 age20, Mattie daughterFeb 1882 age 18, Sonesia ' Apr 1888 age 12, ?Scine ' Nov 1892 age 7, Olavar son Feb 1896 age 3, Lenard son June 1897 age 2, Minnie daughter Aug 1898 age 1, Mallahon Sarrahanna mother March 1825 age 75Martinus Mallen is found with daughter Elen Schenstadt Ellen Mar 1854 age 46, son Martin Mar 1877 age 23, son Julius Aug 1878 age 21, daughter Nellie Feb 1886 age 14, son Joseph July 1887 age 12, daughter Amanda July 1889 age 10, Mallen Martain father Dec 18191910 Sirianna again is found with Anderson Louis, Olinna, Oliver Leonard, Minnie, Serianna Mahlen as mother, Selina Johnson daughter, Tollef Johnson son-in-law.I haven't found them in the 1920 census.

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Gjest Berit Knudsen

I don't belive Trond wants to know anything for the time being. He more or less asked if someone else, who knows how to find information in America, to help with Serianna. But I am sure he wants information when you for sure knows if it was Serianna Larsdt. or Serianna Tørrisdt.But it looks like you are doing very well by yourself.Trond. Jeg antar du forstår det meste i (24). Susan lurte på hva du ville vite om Serianna. Antar det har med spørsmålet ditt om spesialisthjelp å gjøre. Jeg tok meg den frihet å svare at jeg ikke trodde at du for øyeblikket var interessert i informasjon, men når det er klart hvilken av Seriannaene det var ville du gjerne få tilbakemelding. Jeg håper i det minste hun forstår det slik da det ikke alltid er like lett å uttrykke seg rikig på et språk jeg ikke har snakket på over 30 år.

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