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[#45840] Fra Lesja til USA-Jakob Ekren/Svendsen f1836 og Svend Svendsen Ekren f 1847.


Gjest Arnulv Thomassen
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Gjest Arne Solås

Ja, jeg har sett på det samme som deg Patty, og tror også at de i 1880 må være en annen familie. Og 'the Door county family' kan vi vel også glemme. Det blir nok for stor aldersforskjell. Jeg mener å huske at du forstår norsk, Patty?Mvh. Arne.

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Gjest Patty Dahl

Hei igjen Arne! Ja, jeg forstaar norsk 'pretty well'...men jeg maa ogsaa bruker min norsk ord bok...and sometimes my dictionary does not help me at all.I think we agree about the few problems with yesterday's informasjon. I wonder where Svend is in 1880...and what name he is using then!!!mvh Patty

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Gjest Arne Solås

Hadde vi bare visst når Svend døde så var det kanskje mulig å finne en obituary? Han døde vel sikkert i Auburn.(?)Mvh. Arne.

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei, I am finaly home and I do agree with your conclusions so far. I tried to check the information in the bygdebok that Svend was in Colfax 1909. I could not find anything in the 1910 census that reminded me of Svend so the Auburn track might be right. The mother died in 1881 and the father 1870. I have not checked whether some of them returned to Norway for the furnral? Arnulv

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Gjest Patty Dahl

Hei Arne og Arnulv!! I am at the library igjen. Just used the microfiche in the archives room. Found the following:John O. Sampson died Feb. 20, 1963 in Eau Claire.I then went to the website I mentioned in #50 for the Eau Claire library. Found the following:John O. Sampson, burried at the North Running Valley Lutheran Cemetery in Colfax (!!), WI There is an obituary...but not at our library. I think I can request the newspaper with the obituary if you are interested.Also at the same cemetery is Olga, born June 12, 1893...Died Oct. 25, 1957.I would imagine that Svend is burried at the same cemetery...this is just a guess. I could not find a date of death for him in our archives room...but the death records on microfiche started at 1959.mvh Patty

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei,I guess you do mean the son John and the daughter Olga from the Auburn census? The Colfax might be a track anyhow?If we assume the 1910 census in Auburn is right and Svend (Sam) is still alive but we can not find him in 1920. Did he die between 1910 and 1920?Or can we find him in Colfax 1920? I have to attend some private matters but this is realy interesting information Patty! Arne are you still with us ? May be we should wait with newspapers to we have better documentation? Arnulv

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Gjest Patty Dahl

Hei!When I looked in the archives, I used the name for John O. Sampson, just as it was in the 1920 census. Yes, I am referring to John and Olga who were children of Sam/Svend from the 1900 census.I found there is no cost to order the obituary/microfilm from my own library. So, since I was there this morning I decided to order what I needed for John's obit... They said it would take about a week or so to get the microfilm.mvh Patty

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei, Could the attached table (2 pages) be a scenario. The 1880 Auburn census is approx right. They had more kids who mooved out in 1900 census? The age of Clara could be wrong in one of the censuses? I made a ? where not located.The latest information from Patty could give information that it was not svend (SAM) who moved to Colfax but the son John? Arnulv

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei,Jeg sjekket census 1870 Wisconsin som bare er ett år etter Svend kom til USA. I Wisconsin ,Dane ,Deerfield bor det en farmer som heter Sampson, Samuel 22 år som er født i Norge # 37. Han bor sammen med housekeeoer Betsy Sampson 48 år, house keeping f Norway og Johnson Andrew 27 år f i Norway farm laborer. Dette kan være Svend f 1847 ,Lesja ? Er denne Betsy en slektning? Når kom hun til USA? Det er stort sett nordmenn i denne byen i 1870. Arnulv

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Gjest Arne Solås

Ja, jeg har sett denne registreringen, Arnulf. Det var også grunnen til at jeg spurte om navnet på Svends mor og om hun emigrerte. Betsy kan jo ha vært noe så vanlig som Bertha i Norge.Jeg ser det ikke som urimelig at denne Samuel Sampson er den samme som er funnet i 1880, men jeg tviler på at dette er Svend. Svend bruker jo navnet Svenson i 1900 og det virker jo også litt rart om han, like etter ankomst i 1869, skulle ha skiftet til Sampson, for så i 1900 bruke Svenson og deretter igjen Sampson. Men noen annen god kandidat for Svend Svendsen har heller ikke jeg klart å finne i 1880. Så det er jo fremdeles noe usikkerhet omkring dette.Mvh. Arne.

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei, er vi klar for en ny runde ? Jeg har sammenstilt opplysninger om Jakob og hans etterkommere: Tabell 1 Opplysninger om Jakop og Kari. Tabell 2 . Opplysninger om Svend Jakobsen/Swan Swainson /Samuel Jackson ( Sønn til tabell 1) Tabell 3: Oliver Jackson ( sønn til tabell 2) Dette må sendes som 3 sider. Spørsmål til tabell 1: Er det noen som kan spore Jakob i census 1900 eller døde han før dette? Det står i bygdebok at Jakob flyttet til Running Valley Minnesota? Arnulv

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Gjest Patty Dahl

Hei igjen Arnulv og Arne! Ja, vi er klar for en ny rund! Looks like you have done your home work Arnulv!I will see if I can find out more about the cemetery in Colfax. I suppose you would like to know if Jacob is burried there, right Arnulv?Is it correct that Jacob's son (Samuel Jackson) left Wisconsin after his father died...perhaps that is stated somewhere 'above' in one of the entries (I can't remember just now)...I thought Samuel left somewhere in the late 1890s (1895?). So Jacob is not alive for the 1900 census?? Is this correct?mvh Patty

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei, Yes I would like to know what happened to Jacob and if he went to Running ( Name after Ole E Ru(Ø?)nning) see #88 Valley.He must have died here before 1900 or we should find him in the census? In Bygdebok it is written what Samuel Jackson left for St James when his father died. We do find Samuel Jackson in St James in 1910.We do find him in Auburn in 1900 staying on his own with wife and one child.(Does this mean as long as we do not find his father in Auburn that he left for Running Valley ?) You probably noticed that I did not attach table 2 and 3 because this could create some confusion. I do attach table 2 now giving the info available of Samuel so far. Arnulv

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Gjest Patty Dahl

Hei Arnulv! I really should have had my coffee first before I wrote my last entry...not quite awake! Yes, Samuel is still in Auburn in 1900! So perhaps his father is still alive. I found a phone # for the cemetery and the lutheran church for the cemetery. I will try and contact them regarding other family members burried at this cemetery...Interesting to note there is a local funeral home (in Colfax) called the Goodrich-Sampson (!!) Funeral home...'food for thought'...mvh Patty

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Gjest Patty Dahl

I just spoke with the pastor for the Lutheran church in Colfax. I told him about John and Olga Sampson being burried at this cemetery...and wondered if other family members might be burried next to them...I gave him the possible names of Sven Svensen/Sam Sampson and a brother to Sven named Jacob (not sure what last name). He will look up the records and send me an answer by regular mail. Krysse din fingrene!mvh Patty

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei, Very good. I hope we have success.I feel confident that we are going in the right direction. I do attach the last table 3 of Oliver and his family? Oliver son of Samuel(Svend) son of Jakob. I assume you also looked for Svend brother of Jacob at the graveyard? I hope Arne joins us again? Regards Arnulv

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei, jeg står litt fast for tiden i avvente på info fra Patty ? Er det noen som kan fortelle meg om disse personene kommer fra Ekren gård i Lesja? Jeg har funnnet de i US census 1880. Name Parent or spouse names Home in 1880 View Record Johanes Ekren , Christiana, Vernon, WI abt 1846 Nor Something other than a direct relationship ? Det er oppgitt at han er maler og bor sammen med John Aas .Dette er en familie : View Record Sarah Ekren , Spink, Union, DT abt 1845 Nor Wife View Record Peter Ekren Spink, Union, DT abt 1850 Nor (Head) View Record Ole Ekren Spink, Union, DT abt 1876 Michigan Son View Record Osker Ekren Spink, Union, DT abt 1879 Michigan SonI tillegg har jeg søkt på Karl Skotte (Skatte?) som reiste sammen med Jacob fra Lesja i 1879. (Registert sammen med Jakob og familie) Jeg har funnet flere registreringer på Carl F Scotte i Auburn og skuffende nok var han ikke gift med min Marit.Det ser ut som Auburn var et kjent område for folk fra Lesja? Det ser ut som en av disse Scott døde i Colfax dvs samme sted som flere av mine folk endte opp? Arnulv Er det en Skotte (Skatte )familie i Lesja? mvh Arnulv

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Gjest Patty Dahl

Hei Arnulv! I have not received anything yet...nothing from the pastor in Colfax nor word from the library about the microfilm with John Sampson's obit. I'll follow up with these 2 things, if I do not hear something soon.mvh Patty

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei, Yes thanks Patty I do not expect the unexpected and the two items will be fine. I guess at one stage it has to be exceped that this is so far we could get for the time being? I have a general interest in how people survived in the 1800 and to me it seems like many moved from Lesja to northern Norway before approx 1850 and thereafter to USA. By the way I have solved the Skotte issue from #94. His name is Karl Anton Pedersen from the farm Skotte nordre in Lesjaskogen.I do not know if it is any family relation but it is a fact that he went together with Jacob and family in 1879 and I can also find him in Auburn. I thought he(22) was the future husband of my Marit (20)but it seems like he married somebody else from the US census. Have a nice week end Arnulv

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Gjest Patty Dahl

Hei igjen Arnulv! I called the library...the microfilm is on its way to my library...it should arrive early next week.I understand your interest in how people survived in the 1800s. I have relatives who settled in the Dakota Territory in the 1880s. Conditions were so harsh. I wonder how they made it through the winters.mvh Patty

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Gjest Arnulv Thomassen

Hei, Ja fint at du er 'påan' igjen Arne. Life was not easy. In the 1860`s we had the civil war. In addition it was still fights with the indians. In the area we are looking at it was the chippewaen indians and in Minnesota the sioux`s indians. In fact I bought a book today about the norwegians feighting the indians in 1862-1863 in Minnesota! Back to the censuses. I have learned more now to seach.The early censuses it is for a norwegian sometimes difficult to reconize the names on norwegians because of the spelling. Anyhow I found a Swan Swinson 23 year old in Eagle point,Wi(It is almost imposible to know who he is if not a cross reference is available). Anyhow I did find in 1870 Gilbert Swenson born abt 1848 living in Blomer,Chippewa,Wi working in a saw mill and living together with some others in a 'Keeps board at home ' place together with other people working at the same place. This could be our hotel guy Gibert Swensen(Guttorm Svendsen) from #36(Arne).It may be right as quoted in the bygdebok that he left first time in 1867 and second time in 1874.(#35 and #43) By the way I feel also sure I found the friend/ follower of Jacob ie Mr Karl Anton Pedersen (#96) alias Carl Scott(e)also in 1880 census named as Charl Petterson f abt 1860 living at something like a boarding home/house in Sigel, Chippewa,Wi. We can leave him now. Takk så langt -jeg skal lese amerika brev(fra Arne) og boken om indianerne og nordmennene i Minnesota. Så lenge Arnulv

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Gjest Patty Dahl

Hei Arnulv and Arne! I got the information from the pastor in Colfax yesterday. Here it is:Caroline Sampson died March 20, 1913 (58 yrs old)Melvin Sampson died 1955Olga Alvina Sampson died Oct. 7, 1957 (77 yrs)From the cemetery we have brothers and sister: John Sampson 1963, Melvin Sampson 1955, Olga Sampson 1957.Buried apart from the family plot is Minda, married to Victor Bergerson (spelling?). Since North Running Valley was split with Faith (my comment...this must be Faith Lutheran Church) across the road, it is possible that they also have records. Phone number was given for 'Faith'.Arnulv I guess you have Ancestry now? Can you or Arne search for Victor and Minda Bergerson (with the different spelling possibilities!) in the 1930 census...(Colfax/Dunn County?)mvh Patty

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