[#53952] John Knudsen och familjen hans

[Gjest Eva Tomter]

Og her tror jeg vi har Rasmus, yngre bror av Arnt: Lenke Eva

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Ja visst Eva !!! Rasmus Jakobsen må vare født omkr 1877, om det är han som i 1910 USA Federal Census är 24 år och upptagen sammen med Kundsens – OCH - Arnt Berntin Jakobsen var ju født den 19 mars 1882 SÅ det kan vare den Berntin som finns med på denne tellinga, født 1882,havnearbeider /ellenor

[Gjest Eva Tomter]

Ramus kan være født her: Lenke (Sveio i Sveio Klokkerbok 1878-1896, side 46 nr 30) 1910 - 24 =1886, men to år i en folketelling er ingenting. Samme foreldre som Arnt Berntin ihvertfall. Eva

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Så du jobbar Eva Tomter - Leste hastigt på fel rad förut då jeg fikk det til at Rasmus var født i 1887 – Men det är som du säger – han var født i oktober 1884 OCH då de skriver ålder i stället för fødelseår kan det lätt bli något år snett i en telling – det beror ju också på vilken tid på året den gjordes - de var nog bröder som høll sammen i det nya landet/ellenor

[Gjest Eva Tomter]

Her i Familisearch fant jeg en Rasmus Jakobsen fra New York som ble førdt samme dato 16.10.84 Håper lenken er ok Lenke Denne døde i sept 1962. i New York. Eva

[Gjest Eva Tomter]

Kan dette være Clara 8 mnd?Clara JACOBSEN Birth Date: 8 Feb 1910 Death Date: Feb 1974 Social Security Number: 087-24-1893 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: New York Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 08840 Localities: Metuchen, Middlesex, New JerseySide de døpte datteren Clara, kan det være en mulighet for at søster til Jennie - Klara er død. Tradisjonen var vel at de oppkalte barna etter rett oppadstigende familie.Det var bare en tanke. Eva

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei! It says in the 1910 census that Bertha has given birth to 3 children but only 2 are living. So I guess that Clara Knudsen (f. 1892) is the child who died...since Konrad and Jennie are listed in the census. mvh Patty

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Eva! JA visst kan det vara Jennys Clara – det svårt då man inte ser något om anhöriga – MEN tiden då hon var født stemmer ju … I så fall blev Clara boende i New Jersey och ogift eftersom hon har namnet JACOBSEN kvar … Tack Eva för allt jobb du gör /ellenorHei Patty! How nice of you to check out the 1910 census – then we know for sure that Clara died some year between 1901 and 1910 - piece comes to piece. I have tried on familysearch without luck. You know a better way to go??? I´m also looking for a way to find out if Jenny Bertine Elisabeth Knudsen and Arnt Berntin Jakobsen got more children - AND what happened to Kodrad (or Conrad) Emil Kundsen – did he stay in the country, in NY, did he got married, children … Tanks’ a lot for your information /ellenor

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei Ellenor! Well, I am no expert at genealogy, but I do enjoy it...finding the pieces to the puzzles! I use Heritage Quest to search the census records...but I can not look at the 1930 census in Heritage Quest. I do not think the Clara Jacobsen who was born Feb. 1910 and died Feb 1974 in NJ is 'your' Clara. The 1910 census was done April 1910, so I guess Clara must have been born in 1909 since she was 8 months old at the time of the census.I tried to find Jennie and Arnt Jacobsen in the 1920 census...no luck so far.All for now! mvh Patty

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Hei Patty! I am no expert at genealogy either - but as you say if you enjoy puzzles … What you say is that ‘my’ Clara is born in the middle of 1909 – AND that´s the year her parents married. Here you can se their address at that time: Lenke – they lived at 672 Henry Str. You talk about Heritage Quest – where can I find that site??? Glad for your help!!! mvh ellenor

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei igjen Ellenor! I can use my public library card to get to Heritage Quest. Well, I wanted to tell you the Knudsen family is living at #194 eighth (8th) St. in the 1910 census. I found this location in the 1920 census, but the Knudsens/Jacobsens are not living there any more.More puzzles... mvh Patty

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei igjen! I might have found John Knudsen in the 1920 census. This is what I found in the Jersey City, Hudson county, NJ census: John Knudsen, age 76, he is a fireman on a tugboat. I think it says he is married, but he is a 'lodger' and no family is listed with him. John was a fireman on a steamship in the 1910 census. So this kind of 'fits'.mvh Patty

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Hei Patty!!! YES, yes, yes!!! – this must be ‘my’ John Knudsen, the age is perfect and the occupation to. It could be god for him - at his age - to be on a tugboat and away from the big sea … If he is a 'lodger' – could it be just a temporary lodging OR are they always listed at the their permanent address ??? There is no family SO if he still was married his wife must live by her own or with some of the children … Do you think Bertha was still alive … I think it´s the absolutely right man you got !!!! Dette er skikkelig moro … mvh ellenor

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei Ellenor! I think I found MANY of the family in the 1930 census...using Ancestry at our public library: Listed in the Kings Co (Brooklyn) census: Arent Jacobsen age 47, Jennie age 40, and 7 children: Clara age 20, Jacob age 24, Eleanor 18, Martha 13, Jennie 11, Dorothy 8, Florence 6, Gloria 2 6/12. Rasmus Jacobsen 43, and Konrad age 42...Konrad's last name must have been Knudsen (I forgot to check the spelling). The family is living at #570 48th Street.I was not able to find Bertha Knudsen in 1920. I would imagine that John's residence in Jersey City must have been temporary...but I am not sure.The 1930 census says Arent was born in Huglsen, and Jennie was born in Bergen. For some reason I could not find the family in the 1920 census, using Ancestry.Well, I guess this is progress! mvh Patty

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei! So much for my math skills. There were 8 children all together. And Konrad's last name is spelled Knudsen.mvh Patty

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Hei Patty !!! My computer has been of count – but now I’m back. How fantastic you FOUND Jenny and her family in the 1930 cencus. You must be the most hard-working researcher ever. You talk about progress – I should say it’s close to miracle. Just a couple of days ago the Knudsen family lived and died in Bergen, Norway (in my papers) – and ….Can just imagine there was not much private life in the Jacobsen´ home with 12 persons living together …Jenny, Arent and their children AND on top of that their brothers Konrad and Rasmus.Konrads´ age was 42 and he still had no family of his own … maybe he never got married …1930 census says Arent was born in Huglsen - must be wrong spelling for something ... Anyway you found John Knudsen and the Jacobsen family in 1930 cencus – but what happened to Bertha – she is the only one, from Knudsens´ family missing in 1930 … except Klara who probably is dead. Bertha turns to be the piece of mystery in this puzzle – so far … mvh /ellenor

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei Ellenor! Glad you are pleased with what I have found!! Yes, I was also thinking WHAT a large family living together. I forgot to mention that Arent paints ships for his occupation...and I can't remember now, either Konrad or Rasmus also do this...I should have written that information down yesterday.I am wondering if this is Jacob Jacobsen, son of Arent and Jennie (from the Social security death index...ssdi): Jacob Jacobsen born May 18, 1907, died January 18, 1999 in Brooklyn, Kings Co, New York. Date of birth is about right....so using my great math skills...he would have lived to 92!!I just don't know about Bertha Knudsen...I really wonder if she IS alive in 1920. There could have been a mistake in the census, when they said John was married, but perhaps he was a widower (lost his wife).One more thing, in the 1910 census, it said that Jennie and Arent had been married 4 years (married 1906). I think you mentioned you thought they were married in 1909??More pieces of the puzzles.... mvh Patty

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Hei Patty !!! Starts where you finished about when Jennie and Arent was married, I got the information from ”Digitalarkivet Vigde i sjømannskyrkja i New York 1878-1925” if you look at this: Lenke you can read for your own – for me it looks like they married in 1909 … but some times I read things wrong and there also is something about 1905 … AND then we know Arents occupation too; thanks to youre research… YES I think it can be ‘my’ Jacob Jacobsen who died in 1999 – his parents were born Norway, which gives you a long life … and over to Bertha – I have tried familysearch - no luck so far - You find nice pieces of the puzzles /mvh ellenor

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei! A very quick question for now. What does the word 'vigde' mean...I see the year (år) is 1905. Wondering about '1909' in the link given in the last entry here.mvh Patty

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

1909 is under ‘Vigd’=married AND 1905 is under ‘År’ =year /mvh ellenor

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

1909 is under ‘Vigd’ = married AND 1905 is under ‘År’ =year /ellenor

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Hei Patty!!! A new try… The word ‘Vigde’ and the word ‘Vigd’ means married /ellenor

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Hei Patty !!! a new look on the pages around – AND what I think is that Arnt Berntin Jakobsen and Bertine Elisabeth Knudsen married (1909)19 Sept in 1905 /mvh ellenor

[Gjest Patty Dahl]

Hei Ellenor! OK...NOW I get it...the date is Sept 19 (of course this would be 9/19 here...!)...but 'over there' it is 1909!! The year 1905 'agrees' with the 1910 census...they were married 4 years at the time of the April census.mvh Patty

[Gjest hjördis ellenor]

Har suttit här och kikat in i datorn og försökt finne ut när, Klara, systern til Jenny dog det må ju ha varit noen gång mellan 1901-1910. John Knudsen finns också med ett tag MEN vart tar Bertha vägen ??? Har letat på Jacobsen och Knudsen och det eneste jeg funnit är: Gloria Jacobsen: Birth Date: 19 Aug 1926. Death Date: 28 Aug 2001. Social Security Number: 112-16-0690. State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: New York, Manhattan, New York, New York Nyc, New York, New York. ZIP Code: 10023. Det skulle ju kunna vara yngsta barnet til Arent og Jennie Jacobsen som var med där i cencus 1930. MEN vart tar Bertha vägen ??? /ellenor