[#59653] Families Olsen Ellersen

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Anna-Lisa!Harald Johannes Jensens's father was named Hans August Jensen,NOT Hans August Hansen,as I wrote in no 125. (Look at the link in no 125) Ann-Mary

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Here is JOHAN CHRISTIAN OLSEN:(FRIDA OLSEN'S brother)Have found the wedding between Johan Christian Olsen and Anna Marie Hansen:Johan Kristian Olsen Uk Styrmand Aalesund 60863 Anna Marie Hansen Jfr. KKS 100865 Des 12 1889 KK[url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=14&filnamn=vigd1816&gardpostnr=16867&merk=16867#ovre>Lenke1900 census: Kjældersmuget 8,Bergen Johan Olsen and Anna and 1 son,Harald,born 1890. Lenke LenkeI have found Johan Christian Olsen's son,Harald Fåberg: He was born 20 aug 1890 in Bergen: Kildeinformasjon: Bergen fylke, Domkirken, Ministerialbok nr. B 7 (1888-1903), Fødte og døpte 1890, side 55. Permanent sidelenke: Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

HANS OLUF FÅBERG,born 1858(Frida's sister) He's vife was Ingeborg Dorthea Knudsen,born 1858. Their wedding in 1897,Kristiansund: Kildeinformasjon: Møre og Romsdal fylke, Kristiansund i Kristiansund, Ministerialbok nr. 572A17 (1880-1905), Ekteviede 1897, side 90. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5314&idx_id=5314&uid=ny&idx_side=-92>Lenke Permanent bildelenke: LenkeAnd they had a daughter named Ellen Ingebor,born 24 april 1899,Kristiansund ( found in no 29) Kildeinformasjon: Møre og Romsdal fylke, Kristiansund i Kristiansund, Ministerialbok nr. 572A18 (1898-1913), Fødte og døpte 1899, side 25. Permanent sidelenke: Lenke Permanent bildelenke: LenkeAnd a son named Harald Ingolf,born 9 mar 1898 (found in no 24): Kildeinformasjon: Møre og Romsdal fylke, Kristiansund i Kristiansund, Ministerialbok nr. 572A18 (1898-1913), Fødte og døpte 1898, side 5. Permanent sidelenke: Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

I had already found the christening of Ellen above, see # 30 and 31. In 36 I had already found Johan Christian and Anne's wedding too.You've done a great job,though-:)

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Hei Kjellaug!I parantes bak navna på barna skrev jeg at de var funnet i henholdsvis no 29 og 24. Men vielsen så jeg ikke i når jeg kikka igjennom innleggene. Og da var det jo dumt at jeg la det inn en gang til.Klorende ergelig at denne vielsen til Frida Olsen Jensen Kemp er så vrien å finne. Men jeg leter nok enda en stund. Hadde vært veldig artig om man kunne funnet denne vielsen .Det ville nok gledet Anna Nixon der nede i Australia,tror jeg.Hilsen Ann-Mary

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

I think so too-:) You're not the only one to set up info that has already been found, I've done it too. But it is a waste of time, of course. I've given up on Frida's first marriage. I think I've checked all the churchbooks in the area!! I soon know them by heart-;)mvh Kjellaug

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Dear Anna! HERE IS THE WEDDING BETWEEN FRIDA AND HARALD JOHANNES!Randi Haugros in Trondheim have found the wedding between Frida Olsen and Harald Johannes Jensen.They married in Oslo 28/7-1906. Harald Johanes Jensen's father was named Frants August Jensen. Lenke Ann-Mary

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

THE WEDDING BETWEEN FRIDA AND HARALD JOHANNES The wedding is in nr 132!Frida's husband,Harald Johannes Jensen,was born 15 sept 1876 ,in Drøbak.His parent's name was Frants August Jensen,born 1847 in Drammen,and Annette Lovise Engebretsen: Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Ministerialbok nr. II 1 (1878-1891), Konfirmerte 1890, side 186. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4823&idx_id=4823&uid=ny&idx_side=-192>Lenke Permanent bildelenke: LenkeHarald's parents was married 30 des 1875 in Drøbak: Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Ministerialbok nr. I 3 (1871-1877), Ekteviede 1875, side 91. Permanent sidelenke: Lenke Permanent bildelenke: Lenke Harald Johannes had a brother,Johan Alfred,born 21 oct 1877,in Drøbak: Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Ministerialbok nr. II 1 (1878-1891), Fødte og døpte 1878, side 2. Permanent sidelenke: Lenke Permanent bildelenke: LenkeHarald Johannes also had a sister,named Dagny Maranda,born 10 nov 1881 in Drøbak: Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Ministerialbok nr. II 1 (1878-1891), Fødte og døpte 1882, side 46. Permanent sidelenke: Lenke Permanent bildelenke: Lenke And here is the family i 1900. But Harald.'s brother, Johan Alfred is not on the list,maybe he died before 1900?Anette Jensen hm g Husgjerning 1853 Drøbak Ak Dagny Jensen d ug Husgjerning 1881 Drøbak Ak Nils Mithus el ug Maskinist 1874 Bergen August Jensen Hj. g Skibsfører 1847 Drammen Bu Harald Jensen s ug Maskinist 1876 Drøbak Ak

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Frida's husband,Harald Johannes Jensen,was registered two places in 1900,at home,in Drøbak,and on the ship Michael Sars: Lenke Ann-Mary

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Bravo to Ann-Mary! You've done an absolutely tremendous job!! Here's the link that didn't work to their marriage: Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Gamle Aker, Ministerialbok nr. 12 (1898-1910), Ekteviede 1906, side 251. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5735&idx_id=5735&uid=ny&idx_side=-260>Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Hei Kjellaug!Ja,dette var veldig moro,og jeg tipper at Anna Nixon i Australia er glad også. Men uten dere andre som støttespillere hadde jeg nok aldri greid det,det er helt sikkert.Så tusen takk igjen,Kjellaug!Glad Ann-Mary

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Ja,Kjellaug,kanskje det kan være noen barn etter dette paret også. Må vel inn i kirkebøkene igjen da,tenker jeg. Ann-Mary:-)

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Anna!WEDDING in 1906,Frida and Harald Johannes Jensen: (Forlovererklæringen) Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Gamle Aker, Forlovererklæringer nr. 1 (1905-1914), Forlovererklæringer 1906, uten sidenr. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4871&idx_id=4871&uid=ny&idx_side=-26>Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

FRIDA AND HARALD JOHANNES,1906. (LYSNINGSPROTOKOLL): Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Gamle Aker, Lysningsprotokoll nr. 3 (1900-1909), Lysninger 1906, uten sidenr. Permanent sidelenke: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3475&idx_id=3475&uid=ny&idx_side=-80>Lenke Permanent bildelenke:

[Gjest Anna-Lisa Nixon]

Hi to you all I guess you have been wondering what has happened to me. Our computer went down and have had to wait until it was fixed and then the fun trying to find all my info. Well as you can see I am back and so looking forward to hearing from you all. Sorry once again I dont know if you have sent any info but have been off line for nearly 2 months. In that time I have been in hospital with a broken arm so all has not been great but am on the mend now. Hope to hear from you all soon regards and warm wishes to you all Anna

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Hi to you too, Anna-Lisa-:) Sorry to hear that you've had problems, I was actually wondering why you never answered after Ann-Mary had found the wedding! As you can see, she has found the right person.In this thread, she has found more about the family: Lenke Engum&nr=1&antinnlegg=45&startnr=&antall=&spraak=n#anker Harald Johannes had at least a sister, Dagny, and a brother, Johan Alfred. She has also found a few boats on which Harald worked. I don't know whether you understand all this?Best wishesKjellaug

[Gjest Anna-Lisa Nixon]

Hi thank you for taking the time to answer me. I have been sick again the last couple of months [i had a Kdney removed with cancer ] so it has been a bit of a battle but all is okay at the moment. I have lost Ann- Mary contact I think, so please tell her I am very thankful for all she has done. You mentioned earlier did I need help finding alive relatives if you can point me in the direction I will see if I can manage this.I have found a contact I think through the Vestre Graveyard.They have sent me the address of the person who is handling the grave.I am guessing but would expect this would be a family member. So will see where this takes me. I am happy to receive any help as I dont speak Norwegian it is a bit confusing for a old lady. This has ben a long journey for me over 20 yeas and the info firstly from Yngve Nedrebo and then Ann-Mary and yourself and many others I would not be where I am today so a Big Thankyou to you all Anna-Lisa

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

So sorry to hear baout your problems, Anna-Lisa, I sincerely hope things will be better for you now.I'm sure that Ann-Mary will see this and contact you again. She's been a real Sherlock here!Good luck so far!Best regards Kjellaug

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Hei Kjellaug!Kan du oversette dette for meg? Si til Anna Nixon at jeg er veldig lei meg på hennes vegne.Sykdom er ikke godt å leve med.Jeg håper hun får det bedre etterhvert.Skjønner også at hun synes det var godt å finne opphavet til slekten i Norge. Det var en sann fornøyelse å holde på med denne Frida og slekten hennes.Det gikk jo nesten sport i å finne Harald Jensen som Frida hadde vært gift med. Uten alle støttespillerne hadde det jo heller ikke gått!Men rett skal være rett,det var RANDI HAUGROS i Trondheim som fant den etterlengtede vielsen .Dermed kunne det bevises at det var samme mann som den Harald Jensen jeg hadde funnet tidligere på tellingen 1900,og som jeg antok kunne være Frida's ektemann. Mange deltok i letingen for å hjelpe å finne opplysninger om Harald Jensen .Nevnes kan Anne Engmo på Tverlandet,Hans Petter Eng i Ski,Kjell Halvorsen i Åmot,og ikke minst du der nede i Frankrike,Kjellaug.Og sist ,men ikke minst, RANDI HAUGROS i Trondheim,som fant vielsen til Frida og Harald. Jeg takker alle som deltok! Sender mange gode hilsener til Anna Nixon i Australia ! :-) Beste hilsen fra Sherlock på Ørlandet.

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Hei igjen Ann-Mary-:) Joda, jeg skal da prøve...This is what Ann-Mary says, she's terribly sorry to hear about your health problems. It's not easy to live with such problems, she adds, but she hopes you'll get better.She also understands that you're happy to have found your Norwegian roots. It was a pleasure for her to work out Frida and her family. It became almost like a plot for her to solve to find Harald Jensen, Frida's previous husband. But without all the helpers, she wouldn't have managed, she says. And she wants to underline that it was RANDI HAUGROS from Trondheim who found their long-looked for wedding. Thus the evidence was there that it was the same H.Jensen, she (Mary-Ann) had already found in the 1900 census, whom she believed to be Frida's husband. Many were those who helped in the search and she doesn't want to forget Anne Engmo on Tverlandet, Hans Petter Eng in Ski, Kjell Halvorsen from Åmot (she also adds me, but I didn't really do a lot!!) and last but not least, RANDI HAUGROS in Trondheim who - as said above, found their wedding. Mary-Ann wants to thank all those that helped!She sends you her best regards and signs as Sherlock from Eastern Norway-:)

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Kjellaug.Tusen takk for hjelpen oversettingen.Med vennlig hilsen Ann-Mary

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Til Kjellaug!Kan du hjelpe meg med å forklare/oversette til Anna Nixon igjen,tror du?Har lenge studert på hvordan jeg skulle finne mer informasjon til Anna Nixon i Australia.Har nå funnet en lenke om Engvikslekta.Den omtaler Valborg Bøe og Johan Engvik.Valborg var datter av Frida's søster Olefine Nikoline Olsen. Frida's søster Olefine Nikoline,født 1873,giftet seg med Einar Bernt Bøe.De hadde en datter som het Valborg.Hun giftet seg med Johan Engvig(se nr 115) I lenken under er det også bilde av Valborg Bøe og Johan Engvik . Johan og Valborg ble skilt en eller annen gang mellom 1925 og 1942 .De hadde en datter,Else,som var pianistinne.Utdrag fra lenken: Johan var født i Kristiansund og giftet seg i Ålesund med Valborg Bøe. De ble boende i Storgata 19, der hennes familie bodde. Johan var sjølsagt maskinist og seilte mye, ser det ut til. En eller annen gang mellom 1925 og 1942 ble Johan og Valborg skilt. Etter skilsmissen holdt Johan seg utenlands og slo seg til i Los Angeles i California. Han amerikaniserte navnet sitt til John Engvik og i 1930 ser det etter folketellingen i USA ut til at han leide husvære i San Pedro-distriktet i LA.Han døde i Los Angeles i 1943. I den forbindelse står det i papirene at morens pikenavn oppgis til Rosen. Dette forvirret oss litt. Men forsøk å si Røsand med amerikansk Californiasleng. Hva blir det? Temmelig nøyaktig Rosen, ja.Den eldste datteren til Johan het Else. Hun er en av dem som eksponerer at der ligger en musikalsk og kunstnerisk åre i familien Engvik. I 1938 ble Else intervjuet i London for Sunnmørsposten. Intervjueren var Lillemor Flem.Lenke Hilsen Ann-Mary

[Gjest Kjellaug Robberstad Petit]

Sure Mary-Ann-:) Here goes:Ann-Mary has found more about your family. She has found a link to the Engvik-family which deals with Valborg Bøe and Johan Engvik. Valborg was the daughter of Frida's sister Olefine Nikoline Olsen. Frida's sister Olefine Nikoline, born 1873, was married to Einar Bernt Bøe. They had a daughter Valborg. She got married to Johan Engvig (see n° 115)In the link beneath, there's also a picture of Valborg Bøe and Johan Engvik. V and J divorced some time between 1925 and 1942. They had a daughter, Else, who was a pianist.Copy from the link: 'Johan was born i Kristiansund and married Valborg Bøe in Ålesund. They lived in Storgata 19 where her family also lived. Johan was, of course, a chief engineer and seemed to have traveled/sailed a lot. (then a reference to their divorce again) Johan lived abroad after their divorce and settled in LA, California. He Americanized his name to John Engvik and in 1930, according to the US census, he rented house in the San Pedro area in LA. He died in LA in 1943. His mother's name is given as Rosen in this context. Something which puzzled us, but then try to pronounce Røsand with an American-Californian pronunciation. What do you get? Exactly! Rosen, of course!Johan eldest daughter was called Else. She is one of those showing that there's an artistic trend in the Engvik family. Else was interviewed by the Sunnmøreposten in London in 1938. The interviewer was Lillemor Flem.'

[Gjest Ann-Mary Engum]

Til Kjellaug! Du er en knupp!Tusen takk for hjelpen!:-)Beste hilsen Ann-Mary

[Gjest Anna-Lisa Nixon]

Hi it was great to hear from you both I am so grateful you are still looking for me. How do I get into area to see photo, i am useless when it comes to doing things like this. Many thanks again Anna