[#70719] Cecilie Cathrine Widing - 1.(?-1759) m. Garmann 2. (1713-1780) m. Heiberg

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(50:) As far as I know, Henrik Fuiren (1664-1745) was married to 1) Anna Boesdatter (died 1716) with whom he had 9 children, and 2) Margretha Petersdatter Grüner (1688-1732) (8 children).As I understand #50, among these 17 children where Albret, Hans, Strange and Gertrud, of which the boys had names after Henrik's brothers and Gertrud after the sister of his mother (the sister supposedly then being one 'Gertrud Christophersdatter Trøner').Henrik's father Jacob Fuiren was first married to Else Christophersdatter Trøner who died in Copenhagen in 1672, and secondly he married (as far as I know) Gjertrud Albretsdatter (died 1676), who then must be assumed to be the mother of Albret (being then Henrik's half-brother).Henrik's brother Strange has the same name as his (Strange's) mother's possible brother, Strange Trøner, who lived in Copenhagen in 1665 (married to one Marie Fuiren, possibly a sister of Jacob).As Henrik as mentioned first among the sons of Jacob Fuiren, this suggests that Jacob's father was one 'Henrik Fuiren', possibly the son of Henrik Fuiren (1544-1631) (see #48, 2nd paragraph), who is mentioned as the father of Wilhelm, father of Maria Fuiren (married to Johan Fredrik Clausen Frimann), Maria thus 'becoming' a cousin of Jacob and Maria Fuiren (married to Strange Trøner). (Mostly still speculations, though .....).

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Til 51:Henrik Fuiren konkluderer i slutningen af sine erindringer, at han med sine 2 koner var far til 33 - levende, døde, dødfødte og mislykkede svangerskaber.Foruden dato og årstal på de som blev døbt, er også fadderne nævnt.Jeg har kun PHT-biografien som papirkopi, men jeg har en let sprog-moderniseret udgave liggende som fil, hvis det har interesse.Berit Pagh.

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(52/Berit:) Filen med en 'let sprog-moderniseret udgave av PHT-biografien' om Henrik Fuiren i Larvik er absolutt av interesse, og jeg mottar den gjerne til e-post-adr. nermo(a)online.no. På forhånd mange takk !

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(Tybring/39:) The two last links given in #39 seem odd. Could you please give the exact links again, making them possible to click on, or, give instructions on how to browse to the sites in question ?

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Per, I will try the links again - I got the last, but not the second last to work.Portrait of Joachim von der Lippe[url="http://www.digitaltmuseum.no/artifactView.do?image=&imageIndex=0&idOwner=NF&idIdentifier=NF.00609-470&pageNo=1&noOnPage=12&noInResult=46&owner=&criteria=von>Lenke der lippe&searchObjectType=Unknown&onlyWithPictures=&lastPageNo=&filterCriterias=As for the parentage of Marie Fuiren, here are several links. You can see that there is divided opinion about whether Wilhelm/Villum Fuiren's wife is Drude Charisius or Drude Motzfeld(t). I almost wonder if both women named Drude are the same person as I believe both have a sister named Karen.The Ancestry records show Motzfeld - does anyone have Ancestry to check their sources?Lenke motzfeldt fuiren&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caSo does this source with some references to the church with which they were associated. see especially p.436Lenke motzfeldt fuiren&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caLenke motzfeld fuiren&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caBut then this link with referene to a church in Helsinør suggests a Charisius link:Lenke charisia fuiren&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caas does this one:http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Cq02sNJTjdgJ:www.roskildehistorie.dk/stamtavler/adel/Holstein/Fuiren.htm charisius fuiren&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caI cannot make out all of the Danish here, unfortunately.Here at 9.2 Maria Fuiren, married to Hans Svane is related to the Motzfeld's again!

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(55/Tybring:) In the 2nd link ''Lenke motzfeld fuiren&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca'' above (9th paragraph from top), you seem to point to the Danish ABSALON.NU, and the digitalized book ''HISTORISKE MEDDELELSER OM KØBENHAVN - Årbog 1910'' where there's an article ''NIKOLAJ KIRKE OG KIRKEGAARD'' by OBERST EMIL MADSEN.I'v tried, unsuccessfully, on two different PC's to read the mentioned article. Would it by any chance be possible for you to retrieve the article in question and send it to me by email, to nermo(a)online.no ?There are multiple refererences to members of the Fuiren family in the article, but most of the names are being substituted by a semi-colons (on my screen), which makes the article more or less worthless with regard to the genealogical contents.I hope for your help !

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The 1st of the two 'identical' links given in #15 (paragraphs 8 and 9) points to the book 'Kjøbenhavns Historie og Beskrivelse V / Kjøbenhavn i Aarene 1660-1699 - bog IV, kap. I, Kbh., G. E. C. Gad, 1889 / Oluf Nielsen (1838-1896)'.I have today visited the National Library of Norway in Oslo, and been able to obtain a copy of a couple of 'Fuiren relevant' pages (422 and 423) from the book that was pointed to in the 2nd link in #15, nameley 'Historiske meddelelser fra København - Årbog 1910 / Nikolaj Kirke og Kirkegaard / oberst Emil Madsen' (see below).The problem with the scanned version that's available at http://www.absalon.nu is that the OCR-scanning has failed on each occurence of text written in a slanted font ('cursive'), thus substituting the slanted words by a 'semicolon'. Below file shows the original printing of pages 422 and 423.

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(57:) Nedenfor viser jeg de to sidene og tittelbladet, i tur og orden, i tre adskilte innlegg :

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