Knut (1850) og Christine (1850) Kloster - frå Rogaland til Amerika 1893-1895-1896? - kven var dei?

[Lars E. Øyane]

FT1900 for Chicago, Cook Co., IL syner denne huslyden:

 

KLOSTER, Knute Feb 1850 Nor Nor Nor em. 1893 carpenter

KLOSTER, Christine Oct 1850 Nor Nor Nor em. 1895

KLOSTER, Gustave B Dec 1875 Nor Nor Nor em. 1893 office work

KLOSTER, Martin Z Feb 1881 Nor Nor Nor em. 1895 book binder

KLOSTER, Marie June 1883 Nor Nor Nor em. 1895 house work

 

Ved seinare høve vert Marie kalla for Marie Antoinette, og ho skal ha vore fødd "in Stavanger, Norway", men eg finn ho ikkje i FamilySearch! Utvandringsår er òg oppgjeve til 1896...

 

Knute Kloster døydde i Chicago, IL 29.2.1916 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11551-646-11?cc=1463134), og då vert foreldri hans oppgjevne som Gunder Kloster og Bertha M.....

 

Kanskje er det han som i 1865 tener på Utsteins kloster i Rennesøy (http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1865&knr=1142&kenr=004&bnr=0001&lnr=000)?

 

Er det nokon med lokal kunnskap som kan hjelpa meg finna:

 

* Fullt namn til dotteri Marie Antoinette?

 

* Dato og stad for fødsli til Marie Antoinette?

 

* Riktig utvandringsår for Marie Antoinette?

 

* Fulle namn på dei to foreldri hennar samt fødestadene deira?

 

Eg takkar so mykje på førehand for alle gode tips!

 

Med venleg helsing,

 

Lars E. Øyane

[erling t endresen]

Er det disse folka?

 

Marie Antoinette Ross

 

United States Census, 1920 birth: 1885 Norway

residence: 1920 Chicago Ward 35,​ Cook,​ Illinois

parents: Christina Kloster

child: Garfield A Ross

 

 

og disse:

Marie Gundersen

 

Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927 birth: 23 Jun 1883

christening: 08 Jul 1883 Stavanger,​ Rogaland,​ Norway

residence: 1883 Stavanger,​ Rogaland,​ Norway

parents: Knud Gundersen,​ Kristine Olsen

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1688&idx_id=1688&uid=ny&idx_side=-190

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050923010300.jpg

 

Ja, de kaller seg kloster ved Maries dåp.

 

 

Gustav Bergers dåp: Her fremkommer mer om morens navn og etternavn, faren en Zacharias Olsen, tro?

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1685&idx_id=1685&uid=ny&idx_side=-330

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050923021034.jpg

 

Ingeborg Christine Zakariasdatter

 

Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927 birth: 04 Oct 1850 Stavanger,​ Rogaland,​ Norway

christening: 20 Oct 1850 Stavanger,​ Rogaland,​ Norway

residence: 1850 Stavanger,​ Rogaland,​ Norway

parents: Zakarias Olsen Sande,​ Marie Pedersdatter

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6333&idx_id=6333&uid=ny&idx_side=-16

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070105320236.jpg

 

Her fam. i 1885

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f81103&gardpostnr=1600&personpostnr=16797&merk=16797#ovre

 

Se ekteskap 10, 1875, StPetri

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Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070626640162.jpg

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Legger inn litt om Knud G. kloster.

 

Knud G. Kloster

birth:17 Feb Norway death:29 Feb 1916 Chicago,​ Cook,​ Illinois

burial:02 Mar 1916

residence:

Chicago,​ Cook,​ Illinois

parents:Gunder Kloster,​ Bertha

 

 

https://familysearch...M9.1.1/N79T-KJD

https://familysearch...6-11?cc=1463134

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Kan dette være "din" Gunder Kloster i 1865?

3 av barna har fødested Kloster.

http://www.rhd.uit.n...nr=1101&lnr=000

 

 

En bror av Knud G. Kloster:

 

Groom's Name: Theodor Gúndersen Kloster Groom's Birth Date: 28 Aug 1864 Groom's Birthplace: Stavanger Groom's Age:

Bride's Name: Olava Martine Elisabeth Olsen Bride's Birth Date: 08 Nov 1860 Bride's Birthplace: Egersund Bride's Age:

Marriage Date: 14 Jun 1885 Marriage Place: Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway Groom's Father's Name: Gunder Taraldsen Kloster Groom's Mother's Name:

Bride's Father's Name: Ole Olsen

 

https://familysearch...M9.1.1/N7YP-CMH

 

 

2 barn av Theodor Gundersen Kloster og Olava Martine Elisabeth Olsen :

 

Ole Marselius,8 april 1888.

http://www.familysea...juris4friendly=

 

Trygve,10 aug 1890.

http://www.familysea...juris4friendly=

 

Telling 1900:

Theodor (Gundersen) Kloster,Olava (Olava Martine Elisabeth Olsen)og barna Gustav,Ole,Trygve,Oscar,Mathilde og Theodora.

http://www.rhd.uit.n...bnr=0055&lnr=02

 

Telling 1910:

Theodor Kloster fått enda et barn,Ingvald,født 1901.Er Theodor Kloster gift på nytt?Kona heter nå for Severine.

 

(Utdrag fra tellingsskjemaet)

Teodor Kloster hf g Blikkenslager 28.08.1864 t

Severine Kloster hm g Hustru 25.05.1855 Mandal

Gustav Kloster s ug Former ved støperi 04.09.1886 t

Ole Kloster s ug Fyrbøder S/S 13.02.1888 t

Trygve Kloster s ug Maler 21.06.1890 t

Oskar Kloster s ug Søn 07.08.1892 t

Matilde Kloster d ug Datter 01.12.1896 t

Theodore Kloster dug Datter 02.04.1899 t

Ingvald Kloster s ug Søn 01.08.1901 t

 

http://www.rhd.uit.n...bnr=0006&lnr=03

 

Utdrag fra lenken:

8 Aug 2010 – My Great Great Grand Father, Theodore Kloster Said, that this was his invention. He was a "Blikkenslager" a tin plate worker by trade. and he ...http://www.google.no...0hS-K_Q&cad=rja

 

Sønnen Trygve Kloster ligger gravlagt på Veste gravlund.

Trygve Kloster. 21.06.1890 - 24.11.1967. Gravlagt: 26.08.1970

http://www.google.no...i3U1N7w&cad=rja

 

 

California, County Marriages, 1850-1952

Name: Oskar Kloster Event: Marriage Event Date: 19 Jul 1914 Event Place: , Los Angeles, California Gender: Male Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: 1893 Father: Theodor Kloster Mother: Oleva Olsen Linda Spouse: Bertha Regine Klemmetsen Spouse's Age: 24 Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Estimated Birth Year: 1890 Spouse's Father: Ole Clemmetsen Spouse's Mother: Malene Helgesen

 

https://familysearch...M9.1.1/XL42-R4H

 

A Mysterious and Secret Passage Through Ellis Island

 

My grandfather, Obert Erland often told the story of how in 1913 his father Osmund Erland snuck himself, his wife Elen two children, Obert, age 2 years and Else, age 7 weeks as well as Elen's sister Berta through Ellis Island. He had often indicated that his father had been coming to the United states on nearly a yearly basis since he was about 14 years old which would have been from about 1888. When I asked why they snuck through instead of following the Ellis Island system he said it was because Berta had TB and would not be permitted therefore needed to be processed through in a different way.

 

Now this is all interesting to hear, to say the least. Aunt Berta Regine the illegal alien. The story always and consistently indicates that Osmund was quite familiar with the Ellis Island process since he had been through it so many times and knew his way through it or maybe I should say around it. The Ellis Island web site indicates that passengers passed through Ellis Island from 1892-1924. The Ellis Island records themselves reflect that Osmund was processed through in 1892 age 18, 1901 age 25, 1903 age 28 and in 1909 at age 34. Elen is shown going through in 1903 and 1909. Nowhere in the Ellis Island records under every spelling combination tried can I find Osmund, Elen, Berta, Obert nor Else going through Ellis Island in 1913. I was also told that shortly after arriving in the US Berta married Oskar Kloster an auto mechanic shop owner in Los Angeles and that she died a few years later from her TB and that Berta and Oskar never had any children.

 

None of this is really that important except for the fact that the story never wavered each time I heard it. Now with the Ellis Island records available over the Internet and none of characters in the story listed as going through together in 1913 or any year for that matter did the story become even more fascinating.

 

Now for the facts outside of the Ellis Island records.

 

My grandfather was born in Los Angeles in December 1910 as witnessed by his Birth Certificate.

 

I have the 1913 Steamship Contract for five passengers sailing to "New York" listing four "US Citizens" and one "Rate paid includes United States Head Tax", five passengers in all with names matching each family member in the story.

 

Marriage Certificate from Los Angeles County for Oskar Kloster and Bertha Regine Klemmetsen, July 19, 1914.

 

Death Certificate from Los Angeles County for Bertha Kloster, July 12, 1916 listing TB as cause of death.

 

The steam ship contract had Berta’s last name as Olsen and her death certificate had her maiden name spelled Clemenson. The discussion on these two discrepancies can generate an entire page of there own especially when you throw in one more name, Eltrevaag which is the maiden name used by Berta’s sister Elen. Simply to say Norwegian surnames right up to about 1900 were not always easy to follow but anyone knowing how Norwegian Surnames were derived would understand the discrepancy and say they are in fact the same person.

 

So with my grandfathers story in hand along with the official documents it is easy to see that Bertha, Osmund, Elen, Obert and Else did in fact sneak into the country and that Aunt Bertha is our illegal alien.

 

How does one sneak through? One will never know how it was done other than to know it was done. I am even more amazed after seeing a special on Ellis Island in the Cable TV History Channel. References were made to families getting separated and that at times they spent several days there with medical checks and such with some people not being admitted through. Ellis Island was much smaller then than it is today.

So they sneak.

 

OK ... UPDATE TO THE STORIES FACTS.

 

I received and email from a very helpful person who found, on the Ellis Island Site, my five family members listed above. The last name was misspelled as Erlano and Bertha under Olsen which shows that they did go through Ellis Island. Thanks to the person who found them and her thought of how they got Bertha through the health inspection. We now think it was possible that Bertha went through with Osmund and children as Osmunds wife and Ellen who was healthy went through as Bertha Olsen. Nobody would have been the wiser since ID then is not like it is now with pictures. As a family of citizens they probably did not go through with all the health screenings since all they were doing is returning home to the US from Norway after being gone for a short time, albeit three years.

http://www.google.no...XdYRMYg&cad=rja

 

 

Ser at Harald Søren Storaker har Theodor Kloster i basen sin:

http://www.google.no...1HJeFjw&cad=rja

Endret Desember 5, 2011 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Ann-Mary Engum]

GUNDER TARALDSEN og BERTA GURINA KNUDSDTR

Vielse 16 MAR 1847 Rennesoy, Rogaland.

Kloster er nevnt.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverk...y&idx_side=-218

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...51213021157.jpg

 

Noen barn:

 

Knud,17 feb 1850:

http://www.familysea...juris4friendly=

 

Anne Karine,1847.

http://www.familysea...juris4friendly=

 

Venke Malline,1853.

http://www.familysea...juris4friendly=

 

Gabriel Thobias,1857.

http://www.familysea...juris4friendly=

 

Tobias,1858.

http://www.familysea...juris4friendly=

 

Her er Gunder Tharaldsen og barna i 1865.Ser ut til at Gunder er gift på nytt?

http://www.rhd.uit.n...nr=1101&lnr=000

[Arne Solås]

Marie ankom NY 31. juli 1895. Sammen med henne reiste Knud, Ingeborg og Sakarias (Martin).

 

Name:Marie KlosterArrival Date:31 Jul 1895Birth Year:abt 1884Age:11Gender:FemaleEthnicity/Race­/Nationality:NorwegianPort of Departure:Liverpool, EnglandPort of Arrival:New York, New YorkShip Name:Teutonic

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

Her er dåpen til Knud Gundersen: Rogaland fylke, Hausken, Sørbø, Utstein kloster i Rennesøy, Ministerialbok nr. A 5 (1838-1859), Fødte og døpte 1850, side 74.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1638&idx_id=1638&uid=ny&idx_side=-76 (nr. 23)

[Egil Russøy]

Knud Gundersen f. 6. feb. 1850, Foreldre Gunder Toraldsen og Berte Knudsdotter Kloster. (nr. 23) Kildeinformasjon: Rogaland fylke, Hausken, Sørbø, Utstein kloster i Rennesøy, Ministerialbok nr. A 5 (1838-1859), Fødte og døpte 1850, side 74.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1638&idx_id=1638&uid=ny&idx_side=-76

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051213021015.jpg

 

mvh Egil

[Ann-Mary Engum]

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[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Erling, Ann-Mary, Arne, Anne-Lise og Egil for kjempeflotte og utfyllande innlegg! De har løyst heile problemet! No manglar eg berre dødsfallet hennar i Chicago, IL...

 

Med venleg helsing,

 

Lars E. Øyane

[Hanne Line Osberg Eide]

No manglar eg berre dødsfallet hennar i Chicago, IL...

 

Hvem henne? Christine eller Marie?

 

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947

about Kristine S. Kloster Name: Kristine S. Kloster

[Kristine S. Olsen]

Death Date: 26 Feb 1935

Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois

Gender: Female

Father Name: Zakarias Olsen

Mother Name: Marie Bang

Spouse Name: Knut Kloster

FHL Film Number: 1908367

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Hanne Line for nytt fint innlegg om denne huslyden!

 

Eg seier meg lei for "tvetydig" melding frå mi side. Det var dødsfallet til Marie Kloster ROSS eg tenkte på som mangler... Det kan sjå ut som ho er vorti riktig gammal, med mindre ho har gift seg att etter 1920...?

 

Med venleg helsing,

 

Lars E. Øyane

[Hanne Line Osberg Eide]

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947

about Garfield Arthur Ross Name: Garfield Arthur Ross

Birth Date: 16 Aug 1912

Birth Place: Chicago, Illinois

Death Date: 21 Jan 1939

Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois

Burial Date: 23 Jan 1939

Burial Place: Chicago, Cook, Ill.

Cemetery Name: Mt. Olive

Death Age: 26

Occupation: Office Work

Race: White

Marital Status: S

Gender: Male

Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois

Father Name: Lewis Ross

Father Birth Place: Chicago, Illinois

Mother Name: Marie Kloster

Mother Birth Place: Stavanger, Norway

FHL Film Number: 1953410

 

Mulig at et death certificate for Garfield kan gi noe svar på om hun ev har giftet seg på nytt, og om hun ev lever i 1939.

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Hanne Line for innlegget om Garfield Arthur Ross.

 

Eg har vore ine på same tanken sjølv, men tviler på om den originale dødsattesten til Garfield har noko meir å gje oss. Då har eg meir tru på 1930-teljingi, men der har eg søkt etter både Marie og Garfield, men so langt utan resultat! Merkeleg! Kanskje er ættenamnet feilskrive i teljingi? Men merkeleg er det òg at ikkje bestemori Kristine (Christine) Kloster finst i 1930-teljingi!! Ein kunne nesten tru at dei er utegløymde...

 

Med venleg helsing,

 

Lars E. Øyane

[Hanne Line Osberg Eide]

Hjarteleg takk til Hanne Line for innlegget om Garfield Arthur Ross.

 

Eg har vore ine på same tanken sjølv, men tviler på om den originale dødsattesten til Garfield har noko meir å gje oss. Då har eg meir tru på 1930-teljingi, men der har eg søkt etter både Marie og Garfield, men so langt utan resultat! Merkeleg! Kanskje er ættenamnet feilskrive i teljingi? Men merkeleg er det òg at ikkje bestemori Kristine (Christine) Kloster finst i 1930-teljingi!! Ein kunne nesten tru at dei er utegløymde...

 

Med venleg helsing,

 

Lars E. Øyane

 

Tror jeg så en passende Garfield Ross i California i 1930 tellingen da jeg søkte tidligere i dag. Født i Illinois.

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Garfield Ross og mora Marie hadde vært i Norge i 1920.Dro fra Kristiania 28 aug 1920.Ankom Ellis Island 7 sept 1920.

First Name: Garfield Arthur Last Name: Ross Ethnicity: US Citizen Last Place of Residence: Chicago, Ill. Date of Arrival: Sep 07, 1920 Age at Arrival: 7y Gender: M Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Stavangerfjord Port of Departure: Kristiania, Norway Manifest Line Number: 0028

http://www.ellisisla...ID=100252030300

 

 

FS:

 

New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924 for Garfield Arthur Ross

Given Name: Garfield Arthur Surname: Ross Last Place of Residence: Chicago, Ill. Date of Arrival: 07 Sep 1920 Age at Arrival: 7y Ethnicity: USA Port of Departure: Kristiania, Norway Port of Arrival: New York Gender: Male Marital Status: S US Citizen: X Ship of Travel: Stavangerfjord

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J6HQ-NMK

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Hanne Line og Ann-Mary for nye interessante innlegg!

 

Eg finn ikkje Garfield i California i 1930, men om helsa var dårleg, kan eg godt tenkja meg at mori tok sonen med seg til eit betre klima. Det var ikkje uvanleg alt på den tidi...

 

Med venleg helsing,

 

Lars E. Øyane