American trying to locate information on Great Grandparents from Oslo

[Mariann Stokken]

Just want to tell that I am 99% sure that I have located your Great Grandmother, but now it is to late to explain, will tell you tomorrow :-)

 

Not much of the info is matching the info you have....

[Inger Karin Haarbye]

In Census 1910, 1920, 1930 she is same age as husband or 1 year older (born about 1873/74). Are you sure she is born in 1867?

[Mariann Stokken]

No, she was not born in 1867, but in 1875, and she was born in Kvernes, like Anton :-)

 

Here she is together with some of her siblings, f.ex. Lina, who was the reason for locating her (you wrote some names of Berit Annas siblings) :-)

 

https://familysearch...name:johansdtr~

 

Here are Berit Annas parents and a few of her siblings together, from the Census 1900:

http://digitalarkive...f01037406000614

Endret Desember 20, 2013 av Mariann Stokken

[Mariann Stokken]

maybe more details about how I did this :-)

 

As I wrote in the last note, I located her because you told about Lina and her sailor husband, and that she were in the US 1912-16, so I tried to reach her in the emigrant list, very easy (why didnt I thought about that before about 10 o`clock pm?? :rolleyes: )

 

Here in this list are Lina and her husband, Adolf Ellingvaag, almost down.

 

http://digitalarkive...gderi=&prgjeld=

 

Then it was "peace of cake" to locate more information :-)

 

But what I would like to know, from were is the name Amundsen/Amunsen?

 

And the birthdate, on the death record?

Endret Desember 20, 2013 av Mariann Stokken

[Mariann Stokken]

As I not were able to locate Lars Olsen Afset or his wife in the Census 1910, I thought they had died between 1900 and 1910.

 

While I were looking for them I found that one of their sons, Jakob died of Tuberculosis in 1903.

 

Lars died in 1908, he is nr.4: Kildeinformasjon: Møre og Romsdal fylke, Kvernes i Kvernes, Ministerialbok nr. 568A14 (1901-1915), Døde og begravede 1908, side 63.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2699&idx_id=2699&uid=ny&idx_side=-53

 

I have not located Maria, so I guess she is in the Census 1910, even I not found her.

[Mariann Stokken]

Lars and Marie married July 7 1867, they are nr.19 here:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Møre og Romsdal fylke, Kvernes, Ministerialbok nr. 568A11 (1854-1868), Ekteviede 1867, side 328.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverk...y&idx_side=-338

 

Translation maybe :-)

 

Lars were enkemd (enkemand = widowed) and farmer (grbr = gaardbruker)

 

He was from Afset, she was born in Øre, a parish in the neighbourhood.

 

His father s name Ole Larsen, her father Johannes Hansen Dalen(? I am not sure if it is written Dalen)

Endret Desember 20, 2013 av Mariann Stokken

[Inger Karin Haarbye]

I think you have done a great job, Mariann! But:

 

Berit Anna Larsdtr/Olsen Afset born in 1875 died 7-8 months old, so it can't be her.

Nr. 83:

 

 

Kildeinformasjon: Møre og Romsdal fylke, Kvernes i Kvernes, Ministerialbok nr. 568A12 /1 (1869-1884), Døde og begravede 1875, side 386.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverk...y&idx_side=-217

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...70323650244.jpg

 

We are still looking for a "Bertha Ann" with unknown surname born somewhere in Norway 1867-1877 with sister Lina, Sarah - brothers John and Christian.

 

 

I want to hear more about what we know about Berthe and Anthony and their life in US - the name and age of Berthe.

Endret Desember 20, 2013 av Inger Karin Haarbye

[Mariann Stokken]

haha, skues me that I`m laughing! :D so happy and high and so deep to fall :D

 

Thank you Inger for finding this, even you arrested me :-)

[Inger Karin Haarbye]

haha, skues me that I`m laughing! :D so happy and high and so deep to fall :D

 

Thank you Inger for finding this, even you arrested me :-)

 

I'm sorry, but I had to... ;)

 

I was looking for the confirmation of Lina, Berit Anna and the brothers, I found the others, but not Berit Anna. Then I found her dead... :(

But she can't "hide" forever, I hope we will find her. When we know a little bit more - and with a little bit more luck (and work - like you did!). :)

[Mariann Stokken]

I'm sorry, but I had to... ;)

 

Of course you had to! :)

 

I didnt thought check the confirmation, happy that I didnt!! Then I would be very frustrated, now nothing at all! :D

Endret Desember 20, 2013 av Mariann Stokken

[Inger Karin Haarbye]

In Census 1910, 1920, 1930 she is same age as husband or 1 year older (born about 1873/74). Are you sure she is born in 1867?

 

This is important. Are you sure Bertha is born in 1867?

[Åsbjørg Susort]

I have been wondering about this family

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038037003836

Here is Lena and Hans...

[Helge Berntsen]

Some strange problems with the emigrant archives nowadays, but there is a Bertha Andersen leaving for Boston from Kristiania on November 1st 1895 with the Angelo line, 28 years old. She is at that time registered with home address in the US, so it is obviously not her first trip. Could this be a candidate ?

Endret Desember 21, 2013 av Helge Berntsen

[Mary Martin]

So we now know where Anton Andersen was born and where he immigrated. The hunt still continues for Bertha. According to her death interment and 1900 US census records and family recollections, she was born in August 1867 and immigrated in 1895-1896. She was not married at the time. Anton and Bertha did not know each other prior to meeting in NY. A close review of my Grandmother's birth certificate shows the following sponsors: Mr. & Mrs. Gab. Anderson, Conrad Bye and unfortunately, I am unable to make out the third name. Searching thru the 1900 US census for Buffalo, NY, I found a Gabriel (b. 1864, immigrated 1885) and Lena Anderson (b. 1861, immigrated 1886), both from Norway, and Conrad Bye from Norway. Could be just a coincidence but I'm wondering if this Lena Andersen isn't Bertha's sister.

 

A further search in the US of Gabriel and Lena Anderson reveals a John Emerson, listed as a brother-in-law to Gabriel, and a Knut Peterson, listed as a nephew, living with the Andersen's in 1910. John Emerson was born in Norway in 1882 and immigrated to the US in 1902. Knut Peterson was born in Norway 1891 and immigrated in 1910. I tried searching for Lena and John under the surname of Emerson, but it yielded no results. Is there another spelling for Emerson that I should be looking for? Also, what is the correct translation for John, Jens or Johan?

[Inger Karin Haarbye]

Brother-in-law could be Gabriels sisters husband too...

 

Emerson is not a common surname in Norway. Without knowing much about norwegian surnames translation, I think it is lots of possibilities.

If Lena Anderson is Berthas sister, and if John Emerson is Bertha and Lenas brother, I can think of Ommundsen/Amundsen as a possibility for surname. Ommundsen or Amundsen could very well be Emerson in US. Amund/Ommund are different spellings for names of same source. :)

 

John is most common Jon, Johan or Johannes, I think. I don't know about Jens...

Endret Januar 6, 2014 av Inger Karin Haarbye

[Mary Martin]

Thanks. You've helped confirm what I have been thinking with respect to the names. I had also thought that John could be Gabriel's sister's husband. I called the cemetery where he is buried and unfortunately, they don't have any other information on him other than a birth year and death date. So the search continues.