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[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

I wonder, can someone help me to decipher the remarks for the baptism of Arne Knudsen.  I believe the first line states he was "home-baptised" in Kristiansand.  The rest is unclear.

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5147&idx_id=5147&uid=ny&idx_side=-155

 

I wonder if it contains any clues to the identity of Arne's father, Stuert Karl Knudsen.  Here is the "Ministerialbok" version of the record.  The comments are slightly different.

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3630&idx_id=3630&uid=ny&idx_side=-164

 

If he was baptized in Kristiansand, I think it must be at the home of Karl Knudsen.  Arne's mother, Johanne Nilsine Fjogstad, resided in Stavanger in 1900 and 1910.  She emigrated to the USA in 1911 and did not take Arne with her.

 

I would appreciate any assistance.

 

Hilsen

Patricia

 

 

[Toril Basberg]

Arne was baptized in Stavanger. If not he wouldn't be in the church records of Stavanger. So I don't really understand that he should be baptized in Kristiansand.

 

Toril

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Hei Toril

 

If you notice, there is a second baptism date (Dec 6), and there are notes in the far right column.  Those notes are the part of the record I was hoping someone could help me to decipher.

[Åsbjørg Susort]

Ministarlboken says

born and baptized at Eg Asyl

(a hospital in Kristiansand)

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Thank you Åsbjørg!  Can I ask you to take a look at the remarks on the first link I provided?  There is more information there.

 

This is a bit confusing.  Any idea why there would be a second baptism 4 months after he was born, and quite a distance away?

 

mvh

Patricia

Endret April 6, 2014 av Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen

[Åsbjørg Susort]

Arne is "hjemmedøpt" at the hospital one day old.

I am not sure about the names. Baptized by Sogneprest (Brockmann?). Witnesses Direktør (Petr??) and Over(something) Søster Annie (?)

(Søster = nurse)

 

I think "hjemmedåp" should always be confirmed in chuch if the baby survived

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Thank you again, Åsbjørg!  I guess "hjemmedøpt" just means not in a church.  The dates are confusing though.  If he was baptized in the hospital in Kristiansand at age 1 day...  The Stavanger Ministerialbok shows he was born Aug 12.  Baptized Aug 13, and again on Dec 6.  I had assumed the Dec 6 baptism happened in Kristiansand.  But now, I think it must be the reverse. Baptized in Kristiansand on Aug 13 and again in Stavanger on Dec 6.  What do you think?

 

Too bad about the notes.  I had hoped there would be clues there to the father's identity.  :(

 

mvh

Patricia

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

One more entry:  Here is the record of his birth in Kristiansand:

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1015&idx_id=1015&uid=ny&idx_side=-262

 

If someone (Åsbjørg??) could take a look at the remarks.  I believe it is the same information regarding the priest/witness/nurse.  Is there anything there that is a clue to the identity of Karl Knudsen (the father)?

 

mvh

Patricia

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

Eg asylum was a psychiatric hospital. http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eg_sykehus

 

The hospital's 2^nd director was Lars Hannibal Sommerfeldt Stout Platou (1882–1920), so I think he was the witness together with perhaps overvogter (head guard), nurse Annie (maybe head matron?).

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Takk Anne-Lise!

I wonder if she was in this particular hospital because she was having the baby without being married?

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

Here we clearly can see that it was director Platou.

 

Hjemmedøpt av stiftspresten. Vidner: Direktør Platou og søster Annie. Sgpr. (sognepresten i Stav(anger) under(rettet) 20/1, [sks. paa?] denne 5/12 om at hj(emme(d(åpen) er stadfestet og barnet indført med nummer der.

 

'Home' baptized by the Dean. Witnesses: Direktør Platou and nurse Annie. The vicar in Stavanger notified 20/1 .... that the baptism is confirmed and the child is written in with number there.

 

As we can see, there is no number before this entry here i Kristiansand.

Endret April 6, 2014 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

I don't think giving birth out of wedlock was sufficient criteria for being admitted to this hospital.

If she was a patient at Eg, there may perhaps still exist a journal? She could perhaps also have been working here?

 

373 persons lived at Eg asylum i 1900:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/sok/1900?fornavn=*&etternavn=&kjonn=&familiestilling=&sivilstand=&yrke=&fodselsaar=&fodested=&ny_husholdning=&bostatus=&sedvanlig_bosted=&antatt_oppholdssted=&statsborgerskap=&trossamfunn=&bygning_for_natteopphold=&etnisitet=&spraak=&merknader=&type=person&bosted=Eg+asyl&gaardsnummer=&bruksnummer=&gaardseier=&hustype=&beliggenhet=&etasje=&page=2

Endret April 6, 2014 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Hei Anne-Lise

 

This is interesting.  I am not aware of the mother (Johanne Nilsine Abrahamsdtr Fjogstad) working in the healthcare field or living outside of Stavanger.  In 1900, Johanne is 17.  She is "fosterdatter" living with her mors mor (in Stavanger).   In 1910, she is living at Hjelmelandsgate 34 (Stavanger).  Her occupation is "pakkerske-hermetikf."

 

When you say there may be journals?  What do you mean?

 

mvh

Patricia

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

I mean archives containing the patients' medical history. These archives are locked for public access for 100 years.

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Thank you again, Anne-Lise!  If I wanted to access these archives (and I don't know if I do), would I have to go to the hospital, or are they available elsewhere?  It has been over 100 years since this birth (1908).

 

mvh

Patricia

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

Perhaps (in the future) it will be possible to get answers here in this forum?: http://forum.arkivverket.no/forum/42-sp%C3%B8r-helsearkivet/

The Health Archive is still under construction, as I understand. Maybe you can post questions about patient files from Eg asylum

in the forum Spør (Ask) Statsarkivet i Stavanger: http://forum.arkivverket.no/forum/32-spoer-statsarkivet-i-stavanger/

 

I think they prefer to answer questions regarding sensitive patient information in an e-mail instead of in an open forum.

http://www.arkivverket.no/arkivverket/Arkivverket/Stavanger

 

Statsarkivet i Kristiansand may (after checking Arkivportalen) be the correct archive to ask: http://www.arkivverket.no/arkivverket/Arkivverket/Kristiansand

 

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Arkivportalen: http://www.arkivportalen.no/side/sok/avansert?resultat=1&soketype=ARKIV&sokeVerdi=Eg+asyl&depotinstitusjonId=&_arkivNivaer=on&_arkivNivaer=on&_arkivNivaer=on&_arkivNivaer=on&_arkivMedium=on&landKode=&fylkeNr=&kommuneNr=&_publiseringsdatoSortering=on&treffPerSide=20

Endret April 7, 2014 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Tusen Takk Anne-Lise  :)