John Meldal from Hadsel in Nordland -- help!

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Here is the betrothal of Niels Johannesen & Karen Hansdatter.  Can someone help me decipher the farm names?  First entry on the page...

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16510&idx_id=16510&uid=ny&idx_side=-279

 

I will appreciate any assistance!

[Lars Østensen]

#50 Brækness

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Tusen takk, Lars!  I believe this is a bruk under Brekk in Sømna.  

 

Would you mind taking a look at the farm names in the betrothal record I found after that?  I thought Niels Johannesen was from Brekk, but his farm name looks like it ends in "st".  I think the farm for Karen Hansdatter ends in "nd"... maybe Sund??  Although I don't think the first letter is an "S".  I'm having a rough time with this handwriting!  :(

[Åsbjørg Susort]

The first letter in her place is S

I believe it is Breche and Sund

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Thanks Åsbjørg!  I thought it might be Sund, but the first letter didn't look like an "S".  I appreciate your help... Just when I think I am beginning to understand this handwriting, I realize that I don't!

[Lars Østensen]

#53/54 In Sømna bygdebok it states that Nils Johannesen from Brekkneset (bruk 5) got his wife Karen Hansdatter from Sund in 1703. In 1701 census Nils is mentioned as 1 of the 5 users (in farm Brekk). From 1705 he used 1 pund 12 mark of the land on the farm. In the year 1721 he died around 46 years old.

[Lars Østensen]

Karen Hansdatters parents were:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Nordland fylke, Helgeland sorenskriveri, Skifteprotokoll 5A (3A 0005), 1718-1721, oppb: Statsarkivet i Trondheim.

Merknader: Skifteprotokoll 1718-1723 i to bind (A og B) A har folio 1-268. Register i 5B.

Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/24835/51/

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20090220630415.jpg

 

Sund; Brønnøy/1719

Hans Nielsen         M                    Hovedperson

Eli Sevaldsdatter    K                    Ektefelle

Sevald Hansen        M                    Sønn

Karen D.e.           K  Gift              Datter

Hansdatter

Karen D.y Hansdatter K                    Datter

Giøren Hansdatter    K                    Datter

 

Kildeinformasjon: Nordland fylke, Helgeland sorenskriveri, Skifteprotokoll 8B (3A 0013), 1740-1743, oppb: Statsarkivet i Trondheim.

Merknader: Skifteprotokoll 1738-1746 i tre bind (A, B og C). B har folio 273-631. Register i 8C.

Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/24843/306/

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20090223620774.jpg

 

Sund; Brønnøy/1742

Elen Sevaldsdatter   K                    Hovedperson

Povel Johansen       M                    Ektefelle

Sevald Hansen        M                    Sønn; Wiig.

Karen Hansdatter     K  Gift              Datter

Karen D.y Hansdatter K  Død               Datter

Hans Povelsen        M        19          Barn av Karen; Formynder morbroren Sevald Hansen.

Joen Povelsen        M        17          Barn av Karen; Formynder mosters mann Henrich Nielsen, Biørge.

Marit Povelsdatter   K        21          Barn av Karen; Formynder mosters mann Haagen Olsen, Bræche.

Giøran Hansdatter    K  Gift              Datter

 

See: http://www.nb.no/nbsok/nb/efe00599f2039c0f1405db6e3755aab3?index=2#225 and http://www.nb.no/nbsok/nb/efe00599f2039c0f1405db6e3755aab3?index=2#203

Endret Juli 6, 2014 av Lars Østensen

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Tusen takk, Lars!  :)

[Margaret Miller]

Is this the death of Johannes Nielsen?  What is the farm name?  It doesn't look like any of the farm names I've seen associated with him so far...  About 3/4 of the way down the left side of the page... (død 16 Mai)

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16511&idx_id=16511&uid=ny&idx_side=-133

 

Yes it is!  Good job!  It is the burial record, but note the date of death is given.  He died of "ordinary fatal disease".  Ages at death are often not exact.

Here is the betrothal of Niels Johannesen & Karen Hansdatter.  Can someone help me decipher the farm names?  First entry on the page...

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16510&idx_id=16510&uid=ny&idx_side=-279

 

I will appreciate any assistance!

 

Good job again!  No, not Breknes, but Breche (Brekk).  Karen is from Sund.  Farm spellings change with time.  Not like here :-)

Karen Hansdatters parents were:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Nordland fylke, Helgeland sorenskriveri, Skifteprotokoll 5A (3A 0005), 1718-1721, oppb: Statsarkivet i Trondheim.

Merknader: Skifteprotokoll 1718-1723 i to bind (A og B) A har folio 1-268. Register i 5B.

Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/24835/51/

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20090220630415.jpg

 

Sund; Brønnøy/1719

Hans Nielsen         M                    Hovedperson

Eli Sevaldsdatter    K                    Ektefelle

Sevald Hansen        M                    Sønn

Karen D.e.           K  Gift              Datter

Hansdatter

Karen D.y Hansdatter K                    Datter

Giøren Hansdatter    K                    Datter

 

Kildeinformasjon: Nordland fylke, Helgeland sorenskriveri, Skifteprotokoll 8B (3A 0013), 1740-1743, oppb: Statsarkivet i Trondheim.

Merknader: Skifteprotokoll 1738-1746 i tre bind (A, B og C). B har folio 273-631. Register i 8C.

Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/24843/306/

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20090223620774.jpg

 

Sund; Brønnøy/1742

Elen Sevaldsdatter   K                    Hovedperson

Povel Johansen       M                    Ektefelle

Sevald Hansen        M                    Sønn; Wiig.

Karen Hansdatter     K  Gift              Datter

Karen D.y Hansdatter K  Død               Datter

Hans Povelsen        M        19          Barn av Karen; Formynder morbroren Sevald Hansen.

Joen Povelsen        M        17          Barn av Karen; Formynder mosters mann Henrich Nielsen, Biørge.

Marit Povelsdatter   K        21          Barn av Karen; Formynder mosters mann Haagen Olsen, Bræche.

Giøran Hansdatter    K  Gift              Datter

 

See: http://www.nb.no/nbsok/nb/efe00599f2039c0f1405db6e3755aab3?index=2#225 and http://www.nb.no/nbsok/nb/efe00599f2039c0f1405db6e3755aab3?index=2#203

Karen's parents in a new upcoming version of Sømna Bygdebok:

 

6:4 (ca. 1690-1719) Hans Nilsen f. ca. 1640 d. 1719.  Se Sand h/i:4 for noen som kan være søsken til Hans. g. ca. 1668 Jøraan Asbjørnsdtr. f. ca. 1626 d. 1679 på Øyan, trolig enke etter Henrik Hansen Øyan A:1 g. II 1681 Brø., Eli Sevaldsdtr. f. ca. 1661 d. ca. 1742, dtr. av gbr. Sevald Bottolvsen og Karen Hansdtr. Helløya Brø. (se 1:5a der), og søster til Adelus Sevaldsdtr. Sand 1:3.  Eli g. II Paul Johannessen, se Sund 6:5.  Hans var i tillegg bruker, se Øyan A:2.

             Ia.  Henrik f. ca. 1669 d. 1715 på Sund ug.

            IIb.  Karen f. 1683 Øyan d. 1756.  Se Brekk 1:1

                c.  Karen f. 1688 Øyan (dåpen finnes ikke, men Eli introd.) d. før 1742.  Se Bjøru 4:4

                d.  Jøraan f. 1691 d. 1776.  Se Bjøru 6:5

                e.  Sevald f. 1696 d. før 1699

                f.  Sevald f. 1699 d. 1764.  Se Vik 5:1

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Tusen takk, Margaret!  B)

 

I have a question about Karen.  I believe this is her baptism (right-hand page, no III):

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16510&idx_id=16510&uid=ny&idx_side=-56

 

Father is Hans. Mother looks right.  Farm looks like Øyan.  But Hans surname looks like Ifersson... not Nilsen.  Could this be simply an error on the part of whoever kept this book?

 

What do you think?

Endret Juli 9, 2014 av Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen

[Margaret Miller]

Tusen takk, Margaret!  B)

 

I have a question about Karen.  I believe this is her baptism (right-hand page, no III):

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16510&idx_id=16510&uid=ny&idx_side=-56

 

Father is Hans. Mother looks right.  Farm looks like Øyan.  But Hans surname looks like Ifersson... not Nilsen.  Could this be simply an error on the part of whoever kept this book?

 

What do you think?

Yes, right again.  Iversen is not correct, and on the top of page 58, right hand page you see her introduction.  There it is "Hans Nielsens quinde paa Øyen Elen Sevaldsdtr. efter pigebarn."   I've added something about wrong name for new version of SØmna Bygdebok.  MM

Endret Juli 9, 2014 av Margaret Miller

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Thanks Margaret! B)

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Hanna (Johanna) Johannesdatter, f.1763 på Indre Kvaløy i Sømna, d.14/6-1856 på Fagerbakken i Vågan. (Foreldre: Johannes Nilsen og Ingeborg Jonsdatter). 

 

I looked up Hanna/Johanna's burial record.  I wonder why she is shown as Hanna Disentriun (Disentrium?)?  Her husband, Ole Ingebrigtsen, died in 1814, when Hanna was 51.  Also, I see (from your post) that her children all ended up in Vågen... which leads me to suspect a second marriage for Hanna.  But so far, I have not been able to find one.  I did a quick search on the name (Disentriun/Disentrium), but found nothing.  

 

Here is her burial:  Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2631&idx_id=2631&uid=ny&idx_side=-247

 

Any ideas?

[Rolf Sverre Alsos]

Hanna used her husband's family name Dishington. It has been written in many different ways, here "Disentuun". Her eldest son Ingebrigt Andreas married a woman from Digermulen in Vågan and later they moved to Årstein in Vågan. I do not think Hanna married again. Since she and her other children went to Vågan, I guess they stayed with Ingebrigt Andreas at first. Later Hanna stayed with her younger son Hans Albrigt, my ancestor.

 

I long sought who could be Hanna's parents, until I found in the Sømna farm and family history books those who matched. When also her mother and brother were to be found in Hadsel, I notified Tor Mathisen (Sømna books).

 

 

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Tusen takk, Rolf!  So, you are saying that Dishington/Disentuun is associated with Ole Ingebrigtsen, right?

[Margaret Miller]

Hanna used her husband's family name Dishington. It has been written in many different ways, here "Disentuun". Her eldest son Ingebrigt Andreas married a woman from Digermulen in Vågan and later they moved to Årstein in Vågan. I do not think Hanna married again. Since she and her other children went to Vågan, I guess they stayed with Ingebrigt Andreas at first. Later Hanna stayed with her younger son Hans Albrigt, my ancestor.

 

I long sought who could be Hanna's parents, until I found in the Sømna farm and family history books those who matched. When also her mother and brother were to be found in Hadsel, I notified Tor Mathisen (Sømna books).

Might you have found the marriage for Hanna and her husband ca. 1786?  Margaret

[Rolf Sverre Alsos]

#65: Yes, if you look at #25, where Lars quoted something I wrote, Ole's mother used her family name Dishington. I have not found that Ole used this name in the written sources. His children used Dishington as a family name.

 

#66: No, since there is no sign of their marriage in Hadsel or Brønnøy/Vik in Sømna. Vågan is near Hadsel and lacks very old church books. It is just a guess.

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

I searched for the marriage of Ole & Hanna in both Hadsel and Sømna (1785-1787).  Nothing.  But I wondered if they might have married earlier.  On the LDS website, I found a birth record for another child, John, b ca 1780.  He is a servant at Lechange øvre in the 1801 Census.  I could not find his baptism, but I did find his confirmation, here (far right column), "Joe" Olsen Lechang, 18 years old in 1798:

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16709&idx_id=16709&uid=ny&idx_side=-114

 

 

A user file on the LDS website shows John as the son of Ole Ingebrigtsen & Hanna Johannesdatter, but there is no "official" source.  John married Ane Elisabeth Jacobsdtr from Alstahaug.  She was born ca 1795, so the earliest I expected to find their marriage was about 1815.  They had a son in 1817 at Husby in Hadsel.  I could not find their marriage in either Hadsel or Alstahaug.

 

That's all I know on the subject of Ole & Hanna's marriage...

 

 

 

#65: Yes, if you look at #25, where Lars quoted something I wrote, Ole's mother used her family name Dishington. I have not found that Ole used this name in the written sources. His children used Dishington as a family name.

 

Isn't it unusual that Ole did not use the Dishington name, but his children did??

[Margaret Miller]

I am impressed that you found something in that Hadsel book.  Uff.  Thanks for working on this.  

[Rolf Sverre Alsos]

#68: Ole might have used Dishington too, but there is no sign of it in the written sources.

 

Joe/John who was a farm worker at Øvre Lekang, where he also lived at his confirmation day, seems not to be a son of Ole and Hanna. At his son's baptism in 1817, next child in 1820 (prestegården Hadsel) and one after that (at Haue) there were none present from the family from Nedre Lekang.

 

Ingebrigt Andreas had some children in Hadsel at Haug and Raften (1820, 1822, 1825 (page 107)), all baptisms with family present. If you look at the last one you will find John Meldal, wife and family present. A good proof of family relation between Ingebrigt and John Meldal.

Endret Juli 14, 2014 av Rolf Sverre Alsos

[Lars Østensen]

Skifte etter Lisbeth Lucia Castensdatter, Delp i Gimsøy
Ektefelle: Andreas Knudsen. Internt skiftenr: 2744. Skiftet åpnet: 16/11-1813. Side: 72. Løpenr: 50.
Arvinger:
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Andreas Knudsen, Delp i Gimsøy.
Ektemann av avdøde. Gift. Ektefelle: Lisbeth Lucia Castensdatter.
Job Hermandsen, .
Morbror av avdøde. Død.
Hermand Jobsen, Sannes i Balsnæs.
Fetter av avdøde. Sønn av morbroren Job Hermandsen.
Mads Jobsen, .
Fetter av avdøde. Sønn av morbroren Job Hermandsen.
Lisbeth Jobsdatter, Stokmarknes.
Kusine av avdøde. Gift. Ektefelle: Benjamin Jakobsen. Datter av morbroren Job Hermandsen.
Benjamin Jacobsen, Stokmarknes.
Ektefelle: Lisbeth Jobsdatter.
Rubina Jobsdatter, .
Kusine av avdøde. Datter av morbroren Job Hermandsen.
Jacob Hermandsen, .
Morbror av avdøde. Død.
Anne Grethe Jacobsdatter, Strandlandet.
Kusine av avdøde. Datter av morbroren Jacob Hermandsen.
Rubert Hermandsen, .
Morbror av avdøde. Død.
Karen Rubertsdatter, .
Kusine av avdøde. Død. Datter av morbroren Rubert Hermandsen.
Lisbeth Sørensdatter, Finsæter.
Datter av Karen Rubertsdatter.
Ruberta Sørensdatter, .
Datter av Karen Rubertsdatter.
Pernilla Hermandsdatter, .
Moster av avdøde. Død. Ektefelle: Hans.
Hermand Hansen, Stokmarknes.
Fetter av avdøde. Sønn av moster til avdøde Pernilla Hermandsdatter.
Jacob Hansen, Houg.
Fetter av avdøde. Sønn av moster til avdøde Pernilla Hermandsdatter.
Martinus Hansen, Klak.
Fetter av avdøde. Sønn av moster til avdøde Pernilla Hermandsdatter.
Anne Hermandsdatter, .
Moster av avdøde. Død. Ektefelle: Ingebrigt.
Ole Ingebrigtsen, Lekang.
Fetter av avdøde. Sønn av moster til avdøde Anne Hermandsdatter.
Jørgen Jobsen, .
Fetter av avdøde. Sønn av avdødes morbror Job Hermandsen.
 

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

Again, many thanks to Lars, Margaret & Rolf.

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

I am impressed that you found something in that Hadsel book.  Uff.  Thanks for working on this.  

 

Yes, that book is miserable to read!  It helps if I can find the event on the LDS site first, with a specific date.  Then use the "dag" program to convert to the religious date name.  If that works, I have a good chance of finding something.  Otherwise, it's aching eyes from straining to read it.  Glad if I was any help to you.

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

23 Oct 1803 – dpt. Johan Albrigt. Son of John Meldal Lechang; [mother?] [uægte??]  Here is his baptism:

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16709&idx_id=16709&uid=ny&idx_side=-125

 

30 Dec 1803 – Joen Meldal Lechang married Ragnil Johannesdtr (no farm mentioned). [this record is at the top of the next page after birth of Johan].

 

Deaths:

2 Sep 1838 at Vasviig – Ragnhild Johannesdtr, age 69 [is this John Meldal’s wife?  Why is she at Vasviig?]

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16712&idx_id=16712&uid=ny&idx_side=-155

 

Does anyone know the ancestry of Ragnhild Johannesdatter?  She was 69 in 1838 when she died.  I looked for a baptism from 1768-1770 in the Hadsel Ministerialbok.  I didn't find anything.  Also, I don't find anyone in Hadsel in the 1801 Census who is close in name and age.  Any suggestions?

[Werner Pedersen]

Hei Patircia og Lars.

Jeg har fulgt denne debatt med interesse ettersom min kone stammer fra denne Jon(John) Johannessen(Johansen) Meldal.

I kirkebok for Brønnøy, Vik sogn finner vi ”Dom Judica” 1772 døpt Ingebor Jonsdatter's barn af Mardal: Jon. Faren Johannes Nielsen protesterer ”mot at indskrives som barnets fader”.

I Ft. 1801 for Nedre Lechang er oppført enke Engebor(Ingebor) Jonsdtr., 70 år som mor til Jon Johannessen, enkemann 30 år og hans datter Gunnel(Gunhild), 8 år.

Dette henger jo bra i hop!? Hvor Meldal-navnet kommer fra blir ren spekulasjon!! Det kan være at Mardal er blitt Meldal? Dessuten var han 1.g.g. såkalt "fint", om det kunne bety noe.

Høres mvh Werner

Endret Juli 24, 2014 av Werner