Hva skjedde med Helga Olsdtr. Selland f. 1841 som emigrerte til USA

[Kenneth Bratland]

Hei!

 

 

Helga Olsdtr. Selland f. 20. juli 1841 i Røldal. Da mora Ingeborg døde i 1905 er det opplyst at Helga var gift med A. Wayoy (?) og bodde i Flour Creek i Michigan 

 

Dåpen:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Røldal, Ministerialbok nr. A 2 (1817-1856), Fødte og døpte 1842, side 51. 
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11629&idx_id=11629&uid=ny&idx_side=-52
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070515610364.jpg

 

Helga hadde også en søster Marta Olsdtr. Selland f. 25. juli 1847 som bodde i Chicago i 1905. Henne vet jeg heller ikke noe om. 

 

Dåpen til Marta:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Røldal, Ministerialbok nr. A 2 (1817-1856), Fødte og døpte 1847, side 67. 
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11629&idx_id=11629&uid=ny&idx_side=-68
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070515610380.jpg

 

Håper noen kan hjelpe meg med å finne flere opplysninger om Helga og Marta. 

 

Mvh.

 

Kenneth Bratland 

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Vet du når disse to søstrene dro fra Norge? Ca årstall?

[Torodd Kinn]

Kanskje relevant, men høgst usikkert. 

Brura Helen er kalla Mrs (det ser ein berre på originalbildet), så ho var enke.

"Olison" er vel då jentenamnet, jf. Olsdatter.

"Sholl" har blitt til "Scott" som namn på barnebarnet i 1900.

Endret Januar 23, 2016 av Torodd Kinn

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Samme dame som Torodd fant?

 

 

Name: Helen Wansey

Age: 84

Gender: Female

Marital Status: Widowed

Birth Date: Jul, 1840

Death Date: 24 Mar 1925

Death Place: Claybanks, Oceana, Michigan, USA

File Number: 000800

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Og samme dame i 1910.

Immigrasjonsår 1860.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLR2-Z89

Hun var enke i Census 1910.

 

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Født 4 juli 1840

Død 24 mars 1925.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFQ1-X5X

 

Certificate of death

Fødselsdatoen stemmer ikke med den Kenneth søker.Men kan det likevel være riktige Helga/Helen?

http://seekingmichigan.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p16317coll1/id/197368

 

 

Bør vel prøve å finne flere opplysninger om damen.

Endret Januar 23, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Ser at barnebarnet Grace var født i Wisconsin i aug 1893.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS9L-CF2

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Grace Scott Baxter:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Baxter&GSfn=Grace&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=63567232&df=all&l

 

 

Grace ble gift i 1910:

Grace Helen Scott

Gender: Female

Race: White

Birth Year: abt 1893

Birth Place: Wis

Marriage Date: 4 May 1910

Marriage Place: Claybanks, Oceana, Michigan, USA

Age: 17

Residence Place: Claybanks, Michigan

Father: Lewis O Scott

Mother: Minnie D Bruce

Spouse: George Elmer Barter

Spouse Gender: Male

Spouse Race: White

Spouse Age: 25

Spouse Birth Place: Michigan

Spouse Residence Place: Claybanks, Michigan

Spouse Father: Geo W Barter

Spouse Mother: Lorena B Pomers

Record Number: 3342

Film: 103

Film Description: 1910 Lenawee - 1910 St Clair

Endret Januar 23, 2016 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Torodd Kinn]

Same dama i 1880, ikkje enke, men skild:

 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4Z-GQP

[Ann-Mary Engum]

??

 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRLN-ML9

Navna på bruden's foreldre samsvarer ikke med navna på Helga sine foreldre.

Endret Januar 23, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Frederik Kristian Schott

in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Records, 1875-1940

 

Frederik Kristian Schott

Event Type: Baptism

Birth Date: 8 Jul 1870

Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1870

Baptism Place: Stoughton, Wisconsin

Father: Kristian Schott

Mother: Helga O Schott

Church Name: Koshkonong

Church Location: Stoughton, Wisconsin

 

Fredrik Christian Shott

Event Type: Burial

Birth Date: 8 Jul 1870

Death Date: 19 Apr 1885

Burial Date: 21 Apr 1885

Church Name: Norwegian

Church Location: Whitehall, Michigan

Endret Januar 23, 2016 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Fredrik Christian Schott sin tvillingbror, Louis Oscar:

 

 

Louis Oscar Schott

Event Type: Baptism

Birth Date: 8 Jul 1870

Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1870

Baptism Place: Stoughton, Wisconsin

Father: Kristian Schott

Mother: Helga O Schott

Church Name: Koshkonong

Church Location: Stoughton, Wisconsin

 

Louis Oscar må da vel være far til Grace Helen Scott Baxter, f. 1893?

 

 

Oscar L . Schott

Birth Date: abt 1870

Birth Place: Wisconsin

Death Date: 29 Jul 1894

Death Place: White River, Muskegon, Michigan

Death Age: 24

Occupation: Laborer

Race: White

Marital Status: Married

Gender: Male

Father Name: Chris Schott

Mother Name: Helen Schott

FHL Film Number: 1320185

Endret Januar 23, 2016 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Er høyst usikker på om det er riktige Helen/Helga vi har funnet.

Vielsen i # 9 viser helt andre foreldre enn de Helga hadde.

Endret Januar 23, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Lars Johannessen]

? Kandidat til Martha, emigrerte med Heros fra Stavanger 3.mai 1869, Martha Selland, 22 år, reiste sammen med mange andre fra Røldal http://norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=845&ps=10749

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Skulle likt å se originalen til vielsen i 1869, men finner den ikke på Ancestry.com. Dvs avskrift finnes, indeksert liste.

 

Christian Schott

Marriage Date: 19 May 1869

Marriage Place: Dane, Wisconsin, USA

Volume: 02

Page: 0204

[Kenneth Bratland]

Tusen takk for alle innspill!

 

Jeg også er usikker på om det er samme Helga.

 

Helga emigrerte forøvrig ca. 1865 til USA

 

Mvh.

 

Kenneth Bratland

[Kenneth Bratland]

Hei! Jeg har nå fått gått gjennom skiftedokumentene for Hardanger sorenskriveri i 1905 og der finner jeg korrespondanse.

 

Det riktige navnet til Helga i USA er: Helen Wansey, Montague i Michigan

 

Helga forteller også at søsteren Marta Selland var sinnsyk men ble forsørget av sønnen Ole Selland. Deres adresse var: 17. Board of Trade, Chicago, Illinois

 

Dermed var det riktig dame dere tidligere hadde funnet. 

 

Kanskje det går an å finne flere detaljer om fødsels og dødsår til Helen sine to ektemenn i USA?

 

Mvh.

 

Kenneth Bratland 

[Ann-Mary Engum]

1900

 

 

Helen Wansey

Wife

United States Census, 1900

birth:

July 1841

Norway

residence:

1900

Claybanks & Grant townships, Oceana, Michigan, United States

spouse:

Philipp R Wansey

other:

Grace H Scott

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS9L-CFK

1910

 

 

 

Helen Wansay

Head

United States Census, 1910

birth:

1841

Norway

residence:

1910

Claybanks, Oceana, Michigan, United States

immigration:

1860
 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLR2-Z89

1920

 

 

Helen Wansey

Grandmother

United States Census, 1920

birth:

1842

Norway

residence:

1920

Claybanks, Oceana, Michigan, United States

other:

George E Baxter, Clarence Baxter, Helena Baxter, Lewis W Baxter, Irene Baxter, Grace Baxter

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZQV-VH2

 

 

Helen Wansey

Michigan Death Certificates

Name Helen Wansey Event Type Death Event Date 24 Mar 1925 Event Place Claybanks, Oceana, Michigan, United States Gender Female Age 84 Marital Status Widowed Birth Date 04 Jul 1840 Birthplace Norway Birth Year (Estimated) 1841

CITING THIS RECORD

"Michigan Death Certificates, 1921-1952," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFQ1-X5X : accessed 16 May 2016), Helen Wansey, 24 Mar 1925; citing Claybanks, Oceana, Michigan, United States, Division for Vital Records and Health Statistics, Lansing; FHL microfilm 1,973,065.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFQ1-X5X

Endret Mai 16, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Samme som i # 8

Helen (Helga)  står som skilt i 1880.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4Z-GQP

Endret Mai 16, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Helen Olsen

mentioned in the record of Christian Schott and Helen Olsen

Name Christian Schott Event Type Marriage Event Date 19 May 1869 Event Place Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States Gender Male Race White Birthplace Germany Father's Name Frederick Schott Mother's Name Catherina Schott Spouse's Name Helen Olsen Spouse's Gender Female Spouse's Race White Spouse's Father's Name Ole Olsen Spouse's Mother's Name Isabella Olsen

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRLN-ML9

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Ektemannen til Helga/Helen :

 

Christian Schott

United States National Homes for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers

Name Christian Schott Event Type Military Service Event Date 1892 Event Place Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States Age 49 Birthplace , Germany Birth Year (Estimated) 1843 Page 332 Affiliate Film Number 164

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VH4J-G51

 

Christian  sto med status Widower i 1892.Det står at  nærmeste pårørende er Oscar Schott ,son, Flour Creek Oceano Michigan.

 

Christian Schott  ble funnet død med  ....(Fæl dødsårsak!)

 

View the original document.

 

 

Endret Mai 16, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Oscar L. Schott

Michigan Deaths and Burials

Name Oscar L. Schott Gender Male Death Date 29 Jul 1894 Death Place White River, Muskegon, Michigan Age 24 Birth Date 1870 Birthplace Wisconsin Occupation Laborer Race White Marital Status Married Father's Name Chris Schott Mother's Name Helen Schott

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FH13-FMT

 

Ser at dødsfallet var lagt inn i # 11.

 

Endret Mai 16, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Helen O'Mrs Olison Shobts

mentioned in the record of Phillip A. Wansey and Helen O'Mrs Olison Shobts

Name Phillip A. Wansey Age (Expanded) 65 years Birth Year 1825 Birthplace New York Spouse's Name Helen O'Mrs Olison Shobts Spouse's Age (Expanded) 48 years Spouse's Birth Year 1842 Spouse's Birthplace Norway, Europe Event Date 29 Nov 1890 Event Place Clay Banks, Oceana, Michigan Father's Name Benj Wansey

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N365-HY8

 

View the original document. 

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Philipp R Wansey

United States Census, 1900

Name Philipp R Wansey Event Type Census Event Year 1900 Event Place Claybanks & Grant townships, Oceana, Michigan, United States Gender Male Age 76 Marital Status Married Race White Race (Original) W Relationship to Head of Household Head Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head Years Married 9 Birth Date Apr 1824 Birthplace New York Marriage Year (Estimated) 1891 Father's Birthplace Massachusetts Mother's Birthplace Pennsylvania

HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE Philipp R Wansey Head M 76 New York

 

Helen Wansey

Wife F 59 Norway

 

Grace H Scott

Granddaughter F 7 Wisconsin

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS9L-CFV

 

Syns det står en A etter Philip på listen.Men FS har tydet det til å være en R.

View the original document.

 

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Ektemannen til Helen?

 

 

Phillip A Wansey

United States Census, 1880

Name Phillip A Wansey Event Type Census Event Date 1880 Event Place Clay Banks, Oceana, Michigan, United States Gender Male Age 55 Marital Status Married Race White Race (Original) W Occupation Farmer Relationship to Head of Household Self Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Self Birth Year (Estimated) 1825 Birthplace New York, United States Father's Birthplace Massachusetts, United States Mother's Birthplace Pennsylvania, United States Sheet Letter B Sheet Number 500 Person Number 0 Volume 1

HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE

 

Phillip A Wansey

Self M 55 New York, United States

 

Emily A Wansey

Wife F 57 Maryland, United States

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW37-YBP

 

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Philip Wansey

United States Census, 1860

Name Philip Wansey Event Type Census Event Date 1860 Event Place Butler, Branch, Michigan, United States Gender Male Age 34 Race White Birth Year (Estimated) 1826 Birthplace New York Page 190

HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE

 

Philip Wansey

  M 34 New York

 

Frank A Wansey

  M 9 Michigan

 

Adaline Wansey

  F 6 Michigan

 

Emily Wansey

  F 38 New York

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWDL-Q11

 

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Philip Wansey

United States Census, 1850

Name Philip Wansey Event Type Census Event Year 1850 Event Place Groveland, Livingston, New York, United States Gender Male Age 24 Race White Birth Year (Estimated) 1826 Birthplace New York House Number 173

HOUSEHOLD ROLE GENDER AGE BIRTHPLACE

 

Philip Wansey

  M 24 New York

 

Emily Wansey

  F 28 New York

 

Benjamin Wansey

  M 63 Massachusetts

 

Polly Wansey

  F 59 Pennsylvania

 

Jerome Wansey

  M 22 New York

 

Alvira Wansey

  F 20 New York

 

Barthol Barber

  M 18 New York

 

Sarah Lair

  F 21 New York

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCYY-GC8

 

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Benjamin Wansey

United States Census, 1850

Name Benjamin Wansey Event Type Census Event Year 1850 Event Place Groveland, Livingston, New York, United States Gender Male Age 63 Race White Birth Year (Estimated) 1787 Birthplace Massachusetts House Number 173

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCYY-GC6

 

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FIND A GRAVE:

 

Benjamin Wonsey

 

Birth:  Apr. 28, 1786
Lee
Berkshire County
Massachusetts, USA Death:  Jan. 24, 1873
Geneseo
Livingston County
New York, USA
 
Family links: 
 Parents:
  Henry Wonsey (1758 - 1818)
  Chloe Perry Wonsey (____ - 1821)
 
 Children:
  Jacob Wonsey (1812 - 1897)*
  Catherine L. Wonsey Black (1825 - 1898)*
  Alvira L Wonsey Gould (1830 - 1894)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 
Inscription:

"Gone but not forgotten"

"Erected by his daughter Catherine Black"
    Burial:
Temple Hill Cemetery 
Geneseo
Livingston County
New York, USA  
Edit Virtual Cemetery info [?]  
Maintained by: Robert Jones
Originally Created by: Butterfly~Kisses
Record added: Sep 03, 2009 
Find A Grave Memorial# 41528216

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Endret Mai 16, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Philip /Wonsey/ View Tree

GENDER

Male

 

BIRTH

1826

NY

 

 

 

PARENTS

FATHER

Benjamin /Wonsey/

 

MOTHER

Polly /Lair/

 

 

SOURCES (1)

1. Carolyn Prokopich

 

CITING THIS RECORD

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "Pedigree Resource File," database,FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SP67-D64 : accessed 2016-05-16), entry for Philip /Wonsey/.

 

 

PEDIGREE RESOURCE FILE

PERSON COUNT

12 403

 

SUBMISSION ID

MMSJ-76W

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SP67-D64

 

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FIND A GRAVE:

 

Philip A Wonsey

Birth: unknownDeath: Feb. 5, 1902

Age 77 years 9 months

Shares marker with Emily A. Wonsey. Marker very difficult to read.
 
 Burial:
Flower Creek Cemetery 
Oceana County
Michigan, USA 
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Created by: Twist
Record added: Nov 20, 2012 
Find A Grave Memorial# 101036824

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=wonsey&GSfn=philip&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=101036824&df=all&

 

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Emily A Wonsey

Birth: unknownDeath: Oct. 12, 1885

Daughter of P.A. Wonsey - Aged 63 years 3 months 
 
 Burial:
Flower Creek Cemetery 
Oceana County
Michigan, USA 
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Created by: Twist
Record added: Nov 20, 2012 
Find A Grave Memorial# 101036789

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=wonsey&GSiman=1&GScid=527&GRid=101036789&

Endret Mai 16, 2016 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Kenneth Bratland]

Dette var strålende Ann-Mary :)

 

Tusen takk!

 

Mvh.

 

Kenneth Bratland 

[Kenneth Bratland]

Kan legge til at jeg har fått litt hjelp fra USA:

 

Marta Olsdtr. Selland came to US in 1869 aboard the ship Heros with many others from Roldal.  Their destination was Marshall County, Iowa.  Martha gave birth to Ole Selland (uekte) in Marshall County, Iowa in 1879.  The father's name may have been "Frank", but documentation is not available.  Martha was listed as single (ugift in the 1880 Census and all later records.  Martha and her son later moved to Chicago, Cook County, Illinois. Her son, Ole, worked as a telegraph operator.  He died in Cook County on 06 NOV 1908 at the age of twenty-nine.  Martha suffered from mental illness and was placed in the State Hospital in Norwood Park Cook County, Illinois before 1910.  She was later moved to the State Hospital in East Moline, Rock Island, Illinois, where she died 10 DEC 1934.

 

Dermed var problemet mitt med de to søstrene fra Selland løst

 

Mvh.

 

Kenneth Bratland