Gulbrand Olsen Birth Record

[Martina Clyne]

Hi I'm looking for the birth record for Gulbrand Olsen who was married to Mari Erikke Iversdatter Nov 24, 1833 no. 31. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9338/223

Family documents state he was born in 1797 but the census record from 1865 says he was born in 1801. http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0532&kenr=002&bnr=0100&lnr=00

 

Also, Mari Erikke Iversdatter death records states 1807.  https://media.digitalarkivet.no/image/55b0a6f1-a56d-4286-af46-26e445cb0f84

 In the same 1865 Census it says 1812.

 

Thank you all for taking the time to help me.

[Grethe Flood]

We can't open the links that you have posted, but here is the link to the 1865 census for Jevnaker:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038070001731

 

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0532&kenr=002&bnr=0100&lnr=00

 

• 1865
• Kommune: Jevnaker
• Kommunenummer: 0532
• Navn på bosted: Kjærnstuen

Antall personer registrert på bostedet: 7. Trykk på  for å se på tidslinjen for personen.

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	Navn	Familie-stilling	Sivil-stand	Yrke	Fødselsår	Fødested	Etnisitet
	Peder Borgersen	hf	g	Husmand med Jord	1844	Gran
	Karen Gudbrandsdatter	Hans Kone	g		1841	Jevnaker
	Berte Pedersdatter	Deres Datter	ug		1854	Jevnaker
	Gudbrand Olsen	Inderst	g	Dagarbeider	1801	Jevnaker
	Mari Eriksdatter	Hans Kone	g		1812	Jevnaker
	Anne Gudbrandsdatter	Deres Datter	ug		1853	Jevnaker
	Gustav Gudbrandsen	Deres Søn	ug		1857	Jevnaker

 

Please note that the birth years might differ in the censuses. In the marriage record from 1833 Gulbrand is age 36 and Mari is age 24, born about 1797 and 1809. I can't see that the bride's name is Mari Erikke, just Mari Iversdatter. But in the 1865 census it says Mari Eriksdatter, and Eriksdatter is her patronym, which tells us that she is the daughter of  Erik. In the marriage record from 1833 the bride's patronym is Iversdatter, which tells us that Mari is the daughter of Iver.  When searching for children with parents Gulbrand Olsen and Mari Iversdatter in Jevnaker, I get the following result, and I also see that Mari is registered as Eriksdatter instead of Iversdatter in the 1865 census:

 

Iver, 1833

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWD8-2R2

 

 

 

Kari, 1835

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCJH-DLK

 

Maria, 1837

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWD8-RFJ

 

Ole, 1841

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VWL7-F5J

 

Erik, 1843

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VWL7-F2B

 

Maren, 1845

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VWL7-MQ7

 

Gunder, 1848

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VWL7-FLB

 

Anne, 1850

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW1B-7H5

 

Anne, 1852

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VWL7-Q26

 

Gustav, 1857

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW11-CXP

 

I've found the following baptism records in Jevnaker:

Mari: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000007056016

Mari: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000007056665 (must be named after her elder sister, who must have died).

 

The parents are Iver Gulbrandsen and Maria Erichsdatter, and Gulbrand Olsen and Mari Iversdatter had a son named Iver and a daughter named Maria, who may be named after their maternal grandparents.

 

 

[Grethe Flood]

In the 1875 census it seems that Mari is a widow and living with her son Gunner (Gunder) and his wife:

 

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0532&kenr=007&bnr=0026&lnr=00

• Tellingsår: 1875
• Kommune: Jevnaker
• Kommunenummer: 0532
• Navn på bosted: Olimsgrinden under Vestre Olimb

Antall personer registrert på bostedet: 3. Trykk på  for å se på tidslinjen for personen.

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	Navn	Familie-stilling	Sivil-stand	Yrke	Fødselsår	Fødested	Etnisitet
	Gunner Gudbrandsen	hf	g	Husmand og Dagarbeider	1848	Lynner S. Jevnaker Prgj.
	Rangdine Olsdatter	Kone	g		1851	Jevnager S. Jevnager Prgj.
	Mari Iversdatter	Lægdslem	e	Delvis Underst: af Fattigv. Lægdsl., ernærer sig især ved at spinde	1809	Lynner S. Jevnaker Prgj.

 

 

[Grethe Flood]

The eldest daughter of Guldbrand and Mari is named Kari and if she is named after her paternal grandmother, this might be a candidate for Gulbrand Olsen:

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWXP-PRP

 

Gulbran Olesen

Norway Baptisms

Name	Gulbran Olesen
Gender	Male
Christening Date	10 Dec 1797
Christening Place	Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway
Father's Name	Ole Pedersen
Mother's Name	Kari Olsdatter

 

Oppland county, Jevnaker, Lunner in Jevnaker, Parish register (official) no. 3 (1752-1799), Chronological list 1797, Page 442-443
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9335/226

 

 

[Martina Clyne]

Wow, it's amazing how you are able to communicate your process of the naming and the location of Gulbrand Olesen parents.  You went above and beyond for my question.  I'm going to try this process when looking for Mari's parents.

Thank you so much for helping me Grethe!!!!

[Martina Clyne]

OH, Mari Iversdatter parents are listed from you as:The parents are Iver Gulbrandsen and Maria Erichsdatter.  Am I reading this correctly?  I would love to see the actual record for this!

[Jon Erik Berg-Hansen]

Left page - third entry (døbt) from the bottom:

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9336/74

[Martina Clyne]

Thank you Jon, I can see Mari's name along with her parents but I'm having difficulty reading the actual DOB.  Are you able to translate the record for me please.

 

Also, I have this for Gulbrand Olsen:

Gulbrand Engen Hallumsengen Olsen 

DOB: 1797 Jevnaker, Oppland

DOD: 26APR1867 Vesterneie, i, Lunner, Oppland. 

 

What does "Engen Hallumsengen" mean?  Is this the last residence he lived on?

Endret August 5, 2018 av Martina Clyne

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Actually, as Grethe noted in post #2 (last two links), there were two separate Maris born to the same parents. The baptismal entry provided by Jon Erik in post #7 is for the first one, baptised May 8 1808, who must have soon died.

 

For the one born and baptised in August 1809, see http://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/39901/173 (left-hand side, third baptism from the top; baptismal date was August 6, which in 1809 was the 10th Sunday after Trinity in the church calendar; birth date was 1 August [1809]).

 

The whole entry translates as something like this: "August 6. 10th Sunday after Trinity. Church service in Jevnager [at that time it was usual to have one priest in charge of several parishes, so he would rotate in which church he held services each Sunday]. Baptised girl Mari, born 1 August. Parents Iver Gulbransen Enga [Enga would be the farm on which he was living at that time] and Mari Erichsdtr. Witnesses . . . .[there follow 5 names of witnesses]."

Endret August 5, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

3 hours ago, Martina Clyne said:

Also, I have this for Gulbrand Olsen:

Gulbrand Engen Hallumsengen Olsen 

DOB: 1797 Jevnaker, Oppland

DOD: 26APR1867 Vesterneie, i, Lunner, Oppland. 

 

What does "Engen Hallumsengen" mean?  Is this the last residence he lived on?

 

The actual death record is here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8967/236 (5th entry from top on left-hand side).

 

It reads as follows: "[Entry] 27. [Date of death] 5 May [1867]. [Date of burial] 17 May. [Name] Gulbrand Olsen [there is a designation for his employment before it, but I can't make it out - based on what Jon Erik says in post 12 below, it says "pauper"]. [Age] 70. [Residence] Vesterneje."

 

I don't see any mention within the death record of Engen or Hallumsengen. What is your source for this?

Endret August 5, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Martina Clyne]

Family information passed down, I'm trying to decide if "Engen Hallumsengen" is part of his name.  Here is the record I have for Gulbrand Olsen's birth : https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9335/226.  I don't have an actual date for his birth, are you able to translate when he was born and where.

 

Thank you Carl for taking some time to help me.

[Jon Erik Berg-Hansen]

#10

 Fattiglem Gulbrand Olsen

[Jon Erik Berg-Hansen]

#11

Bapt: Drengebarn Gulbrand P. Ole Pedersen Schøyeneje og Mari Olsdtr.

 

Sponsors from Engen and Schøyen.

 

Date of birth is never listed in listed in these old records.

 

 

Endret August 5, 2018 av Jon Erik Berg-Hansen

[Martina Clyne]

I appreciate you telling me what number his record is.  So there is no other place to find his actual DOB?

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

The baptismal entry translates as:

 

"2nd Sunday in Advent [i.e., 10 December 1797]. Church service in Lunder.

  . . . .

  Baptised boy Gulbran, parents Ole Pedersen Schøyeneje [i.e., living at Schøyeneje] and Kari [not Mari] Olsdtr. Witnesses . . . "

 

This is the same person listed in the 1801 census at Schøyen as Gulbran Olsen, age 3, son of Ole Pedersen and Kari Hansdatter (person #18 at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058261002574)

 

Please be aware that, according to the 1801 census, there were four different Gulbran Olsens in Jevnaker clerical district born in the late 1790s (besides the son of Ole Pedersen, you also have a son of Ole Gundersen at Jevnager priest's farm, age 6; a son of Ole Iversen at Greftegrev farm, age 3; and a son of Ole Erichsen at Huuser farm, age 2). Given that the age of 70 shown in the death record is very approximate, how do you know which of these 4 Gulbran Olsens is yours?

Endret August 5, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Martina Clyne]

Perfect, so his DOB would be about Dec 1797 then?

 

Grethe's post # 4 says Kari for the mother's name.  Do you think it is Mari?

Endret August 5, 2018 av Martina Clyne

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

5 minutes ago, Martina Clyne said:

Perfect, so his DOB would be about Dec 1797 then? 

 

Maybe November or December 1797. I have found, in general, that there could be anywhere from a week to several months between birth and baptism - all depended on when the priest came to your church and how long you wanted to wait for family members to show up to witness the baptism.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

1 hour ago, Martina Clyne said:

Family information passed down, I'm trying to decide if "Engen Hallumsengen" is part of his name.

Hallumsengen is where he lived when he got married in 1833 (per the marriage entry you linked to in post #1).

 

In Norway at this time, farm names like this were not a permanent part of your name, but rather just reflected where you were living at that particular time (so, in 1833 he was "Gulbrand Olsen of [or living at] Hallumsengen"). He could have been born someplace else, and could have died someplace else (which he did - at Vesterneje).

Endret August 5, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Jon Erik Berg-Hansen]

#16

My mistake - should be Kari.

[Martina Clyne]

Thanks to Grethe, Jon and Carl for all your help!  It's so nice to have such caring people to help others finding their family records.

[Martina Clyne]

On 8/2/2018 at 7:45 AM, Martina Clyne said:

**SOLVED**

 

[Martina Clyne]

On 8/4/2018 at 4:49 PM, Grethe Flood said:

Mari: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000007056665 (must be named after her elder sister, who must have died).

 

Grethe, I'm trying to look at this record but it is very hard to read.  Where is Mari's birth listed on the page please.

Thank you for your assistance.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

40 minutes ago, Martina Clyne said:

Grethe, I'm trying to look at this record but it is very hard to read.  Where is Mari's birth listed on the page please.

 

Hi Martina:

 

I'm not Grethe, but I'll give this a shot. On the page to which you linked, unfortunately not everything is translated into English.

 

The key thing here is that "barn" in Norwegian stands for "child". So the person in "Serial no. 1" is the child Mari. Her birth date is listed [near the top, right underneath where it says "share" and "print"] as 08-01 (August 1) 1809; she was baptised August 6 1809. Her father [in Serial no. 2] was Iver Gulbransen from Enga farm [which means that the child Mari was a Mari Iversdatter], and her mother [in Serial no. 3] was Mari Erichsdtr.

 

If you want to see the actual churchbook entry, it is at https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9336/84, third one on the left-hand side.

[Martina Clyne]

Thank you Carl-Henry, are you able to tell me the location of her birth?  I had Meaadow, Skoyenengen, i, Lunner, Jevnaker, Oppland.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

As noted in post #9 above, there were two Mari Iversdatters born in close succession to the same parents. For the Mari born in 1808, her father was listed as Iver Gulbransen Schøyenenga, which means he was living (and this first Mari was presumably born) at the farm today called Skøyenenga, about 1 mile southwest of the town of Lunner in Jevnaker municipality, Oppland county.

 

For the Mari born in 1809, her father was listed as Iver Gulbransen Enga. It is not clear to me whether this "Enga" was the same as Schøyenenga, or whether it was a separate farm (for example the one now called Enger, about 2 miles west of Skøyenenga). The fact that the 1808 Mari was baptised in Lunner church, while the 1809 Mari was baptised in Jevnaker church (these two churches were adjoining parishes serviced by the same priest), does suggest that Iver Gulbransen had moved in the meantime.