Anne Marie Svendsdatter's birth record

[Martina Clyne]

Would like some help translating the marriage record, they are number 20.  If I'm translating the father of Anne Marie correctly as Svend Erlandsen?  I can't seem to find her birth record and I'm hoping that there may be more information on this record to help me search for her. The family immigrated to America in 1881 and on her death certificate it says she was born in Sweden.  Thank you.

 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5901/241

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Yes, her father's name is Svend Erlandsen.

 

The other important information is in columns 4 and 5. Column 5 states that her age is 25, so she was born around 1846. And column 4 is headed "groom's birthplace and current residence and bride's birthplace", although in many cases it appears to include the bride's current residence as well. I read her birthplace (the third line of their entry in column 4) as Holmedal; after that there is an "og" (which means "and"), and her current residence is in line 4, which is a farm name I can't quite make out (I'm not familiar with the local geography).

 

According to familysearch.org, there is in fact a Holmedal parish in Värmland county, Sweden.

[Richard Johan Natvig]

3 timer siden, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

her current residence is in line 4, which is a farm name I can't quite make out (I'm not familiar with the local geography).

 

I suppose it could be Jaksland, which is a farm in Røyken I found out by googling "Gårder i Røyken".

[Martina Clyne]

This is what I have for her birthplace: Holmstrand, Varmeland, Sweden.  It's possible that Holmedal could be the parish?  Just wish I could locate her birth record to verify her date of birth and her parents name.

Thank you.

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Census 1875.

 

Anne Marie Svendsdatter 1845 Holmedal,Sverige

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0627&kenr=005&bnr=0031&lnr=00

Endret August 22, 2018 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

12 minutes ago, Ann-Mary Engum said:

Anne MarieSvendsdatter 1845 Holmedal,Sverige

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0627&kenr=005&bnr=0031&lnr=00

 

So the 1875 Norwegian census also lists her birthplace as Holmedal (presumably Holmedal parish in Värmland). This census adds the additional tidbit that, as of 1875, she and her two children were being supported by the parish poor-relief fund (no husband in sight). And the other record found by Ann-Mary shows that Anne Marie Svendsdatter came at age 19 in 1865 from Holmedal in Sweden to Eidsberg in Østfold county, Norway, to enter service, and then left in 1871 (presumably to move on to Røyken).

 

I am afraid that I am not familiar with Swedish sources (which appear to be less well-organized than the Norwegian ones, plus behind a bunch of paywalls), so I'm not sure how to go about finding a birth record for her in Sweden. I'm sure, though, there are others on this forum who are familiar with research in Swedish sources.

Endret August 22, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Ann-Mary Engum]

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http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=If01001812&gardpostnr=24160&personpostnr=24160&merk=24160#ovre

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Nr 25,på høyre side.

Hun flyttet til Røyken.

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5754/413

Endret August 22, 2018 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Martina Clyne]

Thank you all for your generous help!  I was wondering if you could translate the record of her moving to Smoyken.  I don't see her father listed anywhere so she must have left on her own? 

 

In the 1875 Census, her 2 children match with what I have for family records but there was another son between them.  His name was Didrick Syversen born Jan 1, 1874.  Wonder if he was with the father somewhere else?  

 

This is so interesting as to why she would have left Sweden all by herself at 19.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

37 minutes ago, Martina Clyne said:

 I was wondering if you could translate the record of her moving to Smoyken.  I don't see her father listed anywhere so she must have left on her own? 

There are two moves here.

 

The first record is from 1865 (what Ann-Mary found in post #7). This is a parish book entry recording the acceptance into Eidsberg clerical district. The entry reads: "Nr. 46. 29 Oct 1865 [date of acceptance into the parish]. Anna Marie Svendsdatter, a girl, age 19, entering service [i.e., taking a job as a servant girl], coming from Holmedal, now living at Melleby in Herland parish [a parish in Eidsberg clerical district in Østfold county], brought with her a certificate from her home parish [i.e., Holmedal in Sweden] dated 6 Oct 1865." There is then an addition that says she left again 25 March 1871. What Ann-Mary found in post #8 is the record of her leaving on that date for Røyken in Buskerud county - where she then got married 1 Oct 1871.

 

With this information, I also found her in the 1865 Norwegian census (which was taken at the end of December 1865): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037994006219. She is a servant girl (listed as 19 years old and born in Sweden) with the family of farmer Johan Gundersen at Melleby in Herland.

 

Her father Svend is nowhere to be found in Eidsberg, either in the census or the parish book, so it indeed looks like Anne Marie came on her own. Anybody's guess as to what the story is - had her father died, or was the family so poor that she needed to earn her keep by going into service, or was she just looking for adventure? Note that the move wasn't actually that far - Eidsberg in Østfold county, Norway, is only about 20 miles west of Holmedal parish in Värmland, Sweden, just across the border. Røyken is another 35 miles or so northwest of Eidsberg.

 

 

Endret August 23, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

This is the only Anna Maria Svensdotter born in Holmedal in the 1840'es, but het father's name is Sven Larsson.

Förnamn

Anna Maria

Födelsedatum

1846-08-20

Födelseplats

Holmedal

Födelseförsamling (normerat)

Holmedal, Värmlands län

 

Relation/Titel

Dotter

 

Boendeförsamling

Holmedal, Värmlands län

Plats

Lefverbyn

Tidsperiod

1856 - 1860

Länkar
Källa: Holmedal AI:15 (1856-1860) Bild 130 / Sida 125 Födelsebok: Holmedal CI:3 (1797-1851)

Samma hushåll
Sven Larsson Maria Olsdr. Erik Anders Anna Maria Per Aron Christina Ingeborg Maria Andersdr. Anders Andersdr. Edvin Svensson	1817-03-23 1818-08-04 1841-10-20 1844-06-24 1846-08-20 1849-09-08 1851-11-27 1851-02-05 1858-12-04 1840-04-18 1846-01-30 1856-04-16

Genväg r5.p91981260

 

 

When looking in the houshold examination book, it is written that she moves 6/10-1865 to 'Hallands sn.' in Norway.

This could well be Herland parish, because there is no 'Halland' parish in Norway.' 

 

 

 

Source:  BiS, Befolkningen i Sverige 1860-1930 (ArkivDigital) AID: r5.p91981260

 

Houshold examination book: Holmedal (S) AI:16 (1861-1870) Bild 166 / sid 153 (AID: v11541.b166.s153, NAD: SE/VA/13214)

Moving out: Holmedal (S) BI:2 (1861-1894) Bild 19 (AID: v6724.b19, NAD: SE/VA/13214)

Endret August 23, 2018 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Ann-Mary Engum]

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V7DV-K24

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

Her father seems to have been married tvice.

Endret August 23, 2018 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

5 minutter siden, Ann-Mary Engum skrev:

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V7DV-K24

 

Source for the baptism: : Holmedal (S) CI:3 (1797-1851) Bild 145 / sid 384 (AID: v6727.b145.s384, NAD: SE/VA/13214)

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

Sven Larsson dies in 1901:

 

Förnamn

Sven

Efternamn

Larsson

Födelsedatum

1817-03-23

Födelseplats

V:a Fogelvik

Födelseförsamling (normerat)

Västra Fågelvik, Värmlands län

 

 

Dödsdatum

1901-03-18

Boendeförsamling

Holmedal, Värmlands län

Plats

Lefverbyn

Tidsperiod

1896 - 1905

Länkar
Källa: Holmedal AIIa:1 (1896-1905) Bild 2120 / Sida 200 Födelsebok: Västra Fågelvik CI:3 (1798-1851)

Genväg r5.p21387014

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

Sven Larsson's first marriage from FamilySearch:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FK5F-YQZ

 

[Ann-Mary Engum]

 Emigrasjonen i 1881 ligger i innlegg 2.

Her står Anne Marie med feil alder,29 år.

 

 

 

Endret August 23, 2018 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

7 timer siden, Ann-Mary Engum skrev:

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http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=If01001812&gardpostnr=24160&personpostnr=24160&merk=24160#ovre

 

The same entry from DA: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/6/pc00000000835382

 

The date her certificate for moving was issued, (6/10-1865), show us that this is the correct person.

 

 

Endret August 23, 2018 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Ann-Mary Engum]

1 minutt siden, Anne-Lise Hansen skrev:

 

The same entry from DA: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/6/pc00000000835382

 

The date her certificate for moving was issued, (6/10-1865), show us that this is the correct person.

 

 

 

Enig med deg.  🙂

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Emigrasjonen.

Nye DA.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000949488

[Martina Clyne]

Wow, so amazing what all of you have done for me!  Couple of questions, Anne Marie's father was married twice and we have her mother as Elin Persdr. Do we know when Elin died?  Since she was not list on the marriage record for Anne Marie it must have been before 1871.

 

Anne-Lise I can't open the link for Sven's death record, am I doing something wrong?  Also, the death record listed says place of birth as V: It's a Girth???  I assume that Västra Fågelvik, Värmland County is place right?  Is Lefverbyn a farm that he died on?

 

Again thank you all for your help, you have helped me find so much about my 2nd great grandmother.

 

 

[Martina Clyne]

So I'm back with the original question, the marriage record that states Anne Marie's father as Svend Erlandsen, I got so caught up in all the responses that I didn't notice the last name difference.  I can't imagine that Erlandsen and Larssen are the same name right?

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Hi Martina:

 

1) The record that Anne-Lise shows in post #11 is from the 1856-1860 household examination book (Swedish equivalent of a census). So Elin Persdr. must have already been dead by this time, as Sven Larsson was already living with his second wife at this time.

 

2) V:a Fogelvik is how Sven's birth place was spelled in the actual death record; this is the same as what is now known as Västra Fågelvik (which is the parish just west of Holmedal parish in Värmland county, wedged between Holmedal and the Norwegian border). For the geography of these parishes in Värmland, see the map at https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Värmland_County,_Sweden_Genealogy

 

3) Lefverbyn is a farm in Homedal parish. Sven was already living here in 1856-60, and he died here in 1891 (edit - should be 1901).

 

4) The death record is from the Swedish archives, which are behind a paywall - which is why you can't access them directly with the link. Perhaps Anne-Lise can give you instructions if you want to sign up for a membership to explore the Swedish records yourself.

Endret August 23, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

35 minutes ago, Martina Clyne said:

So I'm back with the original question, the marriage record that states Anne Marie's father as Svend Erlandsen, I got so caught up in all the responses that I didn't notice the last name difference.  I can't imagine that Erlandsen and Larssen are the same name right?

 

Yes, but it seems this family had some problems getting its patronyms straight. If you look at Otto Syversen's baptismal record (at https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5901/137) you will see that the priest first recorded his parents as Syvert Olsen and Marie Kristoffersdatter and only later realised that they were actually Syvert Andersen and Marie Svendsdatter.

 

We can be sure that Anna Maria Svensdatter, daughter of Sven Larsson, is your ancestor because (1) multiple sources in Norway say she was born in Holmedal; (2) this Anna Maria is the only Anna Maria Svensdatter born in Holmedal in the 1840s; and (3) this Anna Maria left Holmedal on 6 Oct 1865, and your Anna Maria is recorded in Eidsberg in 1865 as having left Holmedal on that exact same date (this is then the same Anna Maria who left Eidsberg for Røyken in 1871).

 

Given that Anna Maria left for Norway on her own and her father remained in Sweden, the father was not personally known to the priest or the congregation in Røyken, and thus it is to me quite plausible that the priest made a mistake in recording the father's patronym.

Endret August 23, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Martina Clyne]

Carl-Henry the post # 11 that Anne-Lisa gave his death as: 

Dödsdatum

1901-03-18

Boendeförsamling

Holmedal, Värmlands län

Plats

Lefverbyn

 

You have 1891?  

I can understand now that the priest might have made a mistake with Svends last name since he was not known there.  Thanks for that perspective.