Myhre Family Kongsberg

[Myhre family New Zealand]

My name is Phil Myhre from New Zealand. I am trying to obtain details about my great great great grandfather Hans Christensen Myhre and the location of the Myhre Farm in Kongsberg. His wife was Martha 2 Myhre (nee' Glimstad)

[Grethe Flood]

How far back are we going? When did Hans Christensen and his wife Martha live? And what was the patronymic of Martha? Do you have any names for their children, and die one of their children emigrate to New Zealand?

Endret August 27, 2018 av Grethe Flood

[Grethe Flood]

But here I found something (only in Norwegian):

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myhregården

 

"Den første av seks generasjoner Myhre i Myhregården var Helge Hanssen Myhre, som kjøpte eiendommen i 1833.

Helge Hanssen Myhre var født på Kongsberg om lag 1796 og var sønn av Hans Kristensen Myhre.".

 

The first of six generations Myhre in the Myhre farm was Helge Hanssen Myhre, who bought the farm i 1833. Helge Hanssen Myhre was born in Kongsberg about 1796 and was son of Hans Kristensen Myhre. 

 

???

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058279003964

 

 

 

 

[Myhre family New Zealand]

22 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said:

How far back are we going? When did Hans Christensen and his wife Martha live? And what was the patronymic of Martha? Do you have any names for their children, and die one of their children emigrate to New Zealand?

 Hi Grethe. 

Hans Christensen Myhre (Myhra?) birth date mid 1700's in Kongsberg. He married Martha 2 Glimstad in 1801. She was born 2nd April 1773 in Inderoy. Hans may have married twice. They had two children, Ole Hansen Hansen Myhre born 1790 (my great great grandfather) and Ingeborg, born 1793. Ole married Sara Marie Stoltenberg in 1816 in Stromso. They had 7 children, the youngest Helge August Olsen Myhre, my great grandfather married Emily Brunette in London. After he died in 1864, his wife and their two children, Hans August and Emily, travelled to New Zealand in 1874. Hans August was my grandfather.

 

I believe Martha 2 parents were Ole Ottesen Glimstad and Eli Andersdatter Glimstad (nee Stoverstad)

[Myhre family New Zealand]

26 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said:

But here I found something (only in Norwegian):

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myhregården

 

"Den første av seks generasjoner Myhre i Myhregården var Helge Hanssen Myhre, som kjøpte eiendommen i 1833.

Helge Hanssen Myhre var født på Kongsberg om lag 1796 og var sønn av Hans Kristensen Myhre.".

 

The first of six generations Myhre in the Myhre farm was Helge Hanssen Myhre, who bought the farm i 1833. Helge Hanssen Myhre was born in Kongsberg about 1796 and was son of Hans Kristensen Myhre. 

 

???

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058279003964

 

That is interesting - have to digest that when I access the link. Wow! Have not come across Helge Hanssen before?

 

 

 

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Hi Phil:

 

I know this doesn't directly answer your question yet, but in order for us to help you, we need to actually locate your family in Norwegian records. So I'm starting with this: baptism of Helge August, son of Ole Hansen Myhre, master hatmaker, and Sara Maria Stoltenberg, on 12 May 1833 (born 4 October 1831) in Bragernes parish (now downtown Drammen in Buskerud county): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061219610314 (entry 39)

 

Then we have: marriage of bachelor Ole Hans. Myhre from Brajnæs [apparently short for Bragernæs], 26 years old, hatmaker, with maiden Sara Maria Jacobsdtr., age 26, on 6 July 1816 in Tangen parish (southeast of Bragernes parish in Drammen): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051109040807 (entry 32). One of the two witnesses at the wedding was an Å. Hansen, saddlemaker from Bragernes.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

7 hours ago, Myhre family New Zealand said:

They had two children, Ole Hansen Hansen Myhre born 1790 (my great great grandfather) and Ingeborg, born 1793.

 

In the 1801 census, there is a widow Martha Olsdatter, age 38 (thus born 1763, not 1773), with two children Ole Hansen, age 11, and Ingeborg Hansdatter, age 8, living at Rød in the Strømsgodset district of Bragernes (about a mile upriver from Bragernes church in Drammen): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058267005962

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

In the 1801 census, there is also an Ole Hansen, age 11, son of mine worker Hans Myra (age 51, thus born ca. 1750) and his second wife Berthe Erichsdatter, living at Lia in Sandsvær parish (which surrounded Kongsberg): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058279003968. This is a different Ole Hansen than the son of Martha Olsdatter (and brother of Ingeborg Hansdatter) living in Bragernes.

 

What ties the hatmaker Ole Hansen Myhre who married in Tangen parish in 1816 to either of these persons?

[Dag Thorsdalen]

Phil, where do you have the information about Hans Christensen Myhra's wife from?

 

The parents of the Ole Hansen Myhre married til Sara Marie Stoltenberg were Hans Christensen Myhra/Myra and Berthe Eriksdatter Helgesen/Moen/Thorsdalen. 

 

Ole was baptized on 6 Nov 1790:

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6, 1783-1797, p. 124

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316620694 

 

Hans was baptized on 5 Dec 1751 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1744-1755, p. 112

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316610408 

 

and was buried on 17 Nov 1804 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. I 7, 1795-1816, p. 299

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316630550 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000001178512 

 

Berthe was baptized on 31 Aug 1755 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1744-1755, p. 240

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316610538 

 

and was buried on 10 Aug 1811 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. I 7, 1795-1816, p. 340

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316630591 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000001181677 

 

They were second cousins and married on 16 May 1778 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. I 5, 1769-1782, p. 349

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316620544 

 

All events are in Kongsberg Church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongsberg_Church 

 

Ole with his parents and siblings in the Census of 1801 (persons #19-25): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058279003968 

 

The spelling Myhre was adopted by the next generation. This name comes from the Bromyr (Brumyr) Øvre Farm in the valley ofJondalen - a few miles to the northwest from Kongsberg - where Hans was born: 

http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6630965.39&lon=193904.41 

 

Berthe was born at the Thorsdalen/Moenseter Nordre Farm half-a-mile to the west from Bromyr:

http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6630914.70&lon=192708.20 

 

They lived at the croft of Vetlerud (here mis-spelled Vetterud) another half-a-mile to the west: 

http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6630801.87&lon=191331.94 

 

So, as you probably see, Phil, there is no posiblity that Hans remarried in 1801, and that the she in any way was Ole's mother!

 

[Myhre family New Zealand]

7 hours ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

Phil, where do you have the information about Hans Christensen Myhra's wife from?

 

The parents of the Ole Hansen Myhre married til Sara Marie Stoltenberg were Hans Christensen Myhra/Myra and Berthe Eriksdatter Helgesen/Moen/Thorsdalen. 

 

Ole was baptized on 6 Nov 1790:

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6, 1783-1797, p. 124

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316620694 

 

Hans was baptized on 5 Dec 1751 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1744-1755, p. 112

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316610408 

 

and was buried on 17 Nov 1804 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. I 7, 1795-1816, p. 299

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316630550 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000001178512 

 

Berthe was baptized on 31 Aug 1755 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1744-1755, p. 240

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316610538 

 

and was buried on 10 Aug 1811 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. I 7, 1795-1816, p. 340

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316630591 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000001181677 

 

They were second cousins and married on 16 May 1778 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. I 5, 1769-1782, p. 349

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316620544 

 

All events are in Kongsberg Church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongsberg_Church 

 

Ole with his parents and siblings in the Census of 1801 (persons #19-25): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058279003968 

 

The spelling Myhre was adopted by the next generation. This name comes from the Bromyr (Brumyr) Øvre Farm in the valley ofJondalen - a few miles to the northwest from Kongsberg - where Hans was born: 

http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6630965.39&lon=193904.41 

 

Berthe was born at the Thorsdalen/Moenseter Nordre Farm half-a-mile to the west from Bromyr:

http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6630914.70&lon=192708.20 

 

They lived at the croft of Vetlerud (here mis-spelled Vetterud) another half-a-mile to the west: 

http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6630801.87&lon=191331.94 

 

So, as you probably see, Phil, there is no posiblity that Hans remarried in 1801, and that the she in any way was Ole's mother!

 

Thanks a lot !! I will digest and compare and respond accordingly. There is so much here that is helpful in understanding everything, particularly the old Norwegian methods. This is the first time I have seen any record on Hans Christensen. I have found Arkivverket difficult to navigate without a knowledge of the language. Without having gone through all your references yet, I have seen a reference to a daughter of Ole and Sara Marie called Olava Charlotte born May 16 1826 who we think travelled to the US and married (or was married) - still working on it.

 

Thanks so much and will reply further. Cheers, Phil Myhre, Auckland, New Zealand

[Myhre family New Zealand]

7 hours ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

In the 1801 census, there is also an Ole Hansen, age 11, son of mine worker Hans Myra (age 51, thus born ca. 1750) and his second wife Berthe Erichsdatter, living at Lia in Sandsvær parish (which surrounded Kongsberg): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058279003968. This is a different Ole Hansen than the son of Martha Olsdatter (and brother of Ingeborg Hansdatter) living in Bragernes.

 

What ties the hatmaker Ole Hansen Myhre who married in Tangen parish in 1816 to either of these persons?

Dear Carl, Thanks for all this a lot to take in !! Please allow me to digest and I will respond. Brilliant !  Cheers, Phil Myhre, Auckland New Zealand

[Myhre family New Zealand]

On 8/28/2018 at 9:56 AM, Myhre family New Zealand said:

Dear Carl, Thanks for all this a lot to take in !! Please allow me to digest and I will respond. Brilliant !  Cheers, Phil Myhre, Auckland New Zealand

 

 

Carl- Henry,

 

Can you direct me to which page you found the entry for Ole Hansen so I can investigate. Thanks

[Dag Thorsdalen]

Phil,

 

There is a family book about the Myhre family. Most of it was written a century ago by a grandson of Ole Hansen Myhre's brother Helge Hansen Myhre (1796-1873). The grandson writes that he has parts of his information from his own family. Among those has to be Ole's daughter Josefa Berhardine, who he describes his memories of. When Ole died, Sara Marie went to Stavanger to live with her daughter Josefa Bernhardine. The most interesting part for you starts on page #95, and Ole's family branch is mentioned on page 99-101. There you'll find your great-grandfather Helge August and his sister Olava Charlotte. When the book was published in 1977 by the author's grandson, he supplied it with more information aboth the more recent generations of the Norwegian branches of the family.

https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2011092608073 

 

Ole is also identified in an article in Norsk Slektshistorisk Tidsskrift (Norwegian Geneagogical Journal) vol. 18: Asgaut Steinnes: "Eitt og anna om legatgjevaren Christian Holger Stoltenberg, om foreldri hans og om syskeni hans. The article starts on p. 268 and part covering Sara Marie Stoltenberg and her family starts on p. 286. Ole's identfication is on p. 288. On the same page I read that he died on 2 Jan 1836. In the 1840s Sara Marie and all of her children moved to Stavanger, where Sara Marie died on 21 Apr 1851. 

 

Steinnes was a renowned historian and genealogist. He shows that Sara Marie was born out of wedlock and who her father was. However, there exist no birth or baptism records telling about her origin, probably due to a cover-up operation from the Stortenberg Family who controlled the church records of Vestby, Akershus, where Sara Marie grew up and her uncle (father's brother) was a pastor.

 

 

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

16 hours ago, Myhre family New Zealand said:

Carl- Henry,

 

Can you direct me to which page you found the entry for Ole Hansen so I can investigate. Thanks

 

The entry for the census is linked in post #8 ( https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058279003968 ). Unfortunately it is in Norwegian, so may not help much.

 

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

1 hour ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2011092608073 

 

Hi Dag:

 

This seems like a very interesting source. Unfortunately, the digitised version is only open to those with Norwegian IP-addresses - so someone in New Zealand or America cannot see it.

[Myhre family New Zealand]

2 hours ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

Phil,

 

There is a family book about the Myhre family. Most of it was written a century ago by a grandson of Ole Hansen Myhre's brother Helge Hansen Myhre (1796-1873). The grandson writes that he has parts of his information from his own family. Among those has to be Ole's daughter Josefa Berhardine, who he describes his memories of. When Ole died, Sara Marie went to Stavanger to live with her daughter Josefa Bernhardine. The most interesting part for you starts on page #95, and Ole's family branch is mentioned on page 99-101. There you'll find your great-grandfather Helge August and his sister Olava Charlotte. When the book was published in 1977 by the author's grandson, he supplied it with more information aboth the more recent generations of the Norwegian branches of the family.

https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2011092608073 

 

Ole is also identified in an article in Norsk Slektshistorisk Tidsskrift (Norwegian Geneagogical Journal) vol. 18: Asgaut Steinnes: "Eitt og anna om legatgjevaren Christian Holger Stoltenberg, om foreldri hans og om syskeni hans. The article starts on p. 268 and part covering Sara Marie Stoltenberg and her family starts on p. 286. Ole's identfication is on p. 288. On the same page I read that he died on 2 Jan 1836. In the 1840s Sara Marie and all of her children moved to Stavanger, where Sara Marie died on 21 Apr 1851. 

 

Steinnes was a renowned historian and genealogist. He shows that Sara Marie was born out of wedlock and who her father was. However, there exist no birth or baptism records telling about her origin, probably due to a cover-up operation from the Stortenberg Family who controlled the church records of Vestby, Akershus, where Sara Marie grew up and her uncle (father's brother) was a pastor.

 

 

This fantastic, however, as Carl-Henry has observed I am unable to open it here. Any way someone could assist? 

[Myhre family New Zealand]

2 hours ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

Phil,

 

There is a family book about the Myhre family. Most of it was written a century ago by a grandson of Ole Hansen Myhre's brother Helge Hansen Myhre (1796-1873). The grandson writes that he has parts of his information from his own family. Among those has to be Ole's daughter Josefa Berhardine, who he describes his memories of. When Ole died, Sara Marie went to Stavanger to live with her daughter Josefa Bernhardine. The most interesting part for you starts on page #95, and Ole's family branch is mentioned on page 99-101. There you'll find your great-grandfather Helge August and his sister Olava Charlotte. When the book was published in 1977 by the author's grandson, he supplied it with more information aboth the more recent generations of the Norwegian branches of the family.

https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2011092608073 

 

Ole is also identified in an article in Norsk Slektshistorisk Tidsskrift (Norwegian Geneagogical Journal) vol. 18: Asgaut Steinnes: "Eitt og anna om legatgjevaren Christian Holger Stoltenberg, om foreldri hans og om syskeni hans. The article starts on p. 268 and part covering Sara Marie Stoltenberg and her family starts on p. 286. Ole's identfication is on p. 288. On the same page I read that he died on 2 Jan 1836. In the 1840s Sara Marie and all of her children moved to Stavanger, where Sara Marie died on 21 Apr 1851. 

 

Steinnes was a renowned historian and genealogist. He shows that Sara Marie was born out of wedlock and who her father was. However, there exist no birth or baptism records telling about her origin, probably due to a cover-up operation from the Stortenberg Family who controlled the church records of Vestby, Akershus, where Sara Marie grew up and her uncle (father's brother) was a pastor.

 

 

Dag, are you in any way linked to the area 'Torsdalen' I see on the map and Berthe Eriksdatter Helgesen Moen/Thorsdalen wife of Hans Christiensen Myhra ???

[Dag Thorsdalen]

14 timer siden, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

Dag, are you in any way linked to the area 'Torsdalen' I see on the map and Berthe Eriksdatter Helgesen Moen/Thorsdalen wife of Hans Christiensen Myhra ???

 

Yes, Phil, my grandfather was born there. When I grew up his mother (my great-grandmother) still lived there as a widow, and I spent most of my vacations there. However, our shortest lines of connection go through Hans Myra's grandparents. His paternal grandparents are my tripple ancestors and his maternal grandparents my double ancestors. The line through Berte Eriksdatter takes another generation. And there are more connections further back.

 

16 timer siden, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

This seems like a very interesting source. Unfortunately, the digitised version is only open to those with Norwegian IP-addresses - so someone in New Zealand or America cannot see it.

 

15 timer siden, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

This fantastic, however, as Carl-Henry has observed I am unable to open it here. Any way someone could assist? 

 

I know that neither of you are able to open this book from America and New Zealand. The reason why I linked to it was Carl-Henry's question in #8:

 

På 27.8.2018 den 16.31, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

What ties the hatmaker Ole Hansen Myhre who married in Tangen parish in 1816 to either of these persons?

 

I found it needless for any of you to use more energy on solving this question, which already had been answered both in a scientific publication and by the family itself.

 

[Myhre family New Zealand]

Hi Dag,

Very interesting to hear your family links - that means we are related by marriage if I understand correctly? So can you provide names and dates of Hans Myra's parents and grandparents? And also Berthe's ?

 

I have a family tree on my heritage which you may want to see if you would like. (It now requires some modifications !!).

 

May I ask a some questions to allow me to understand and confirm a few facts.

 

The "Myhre Book' you refer to - is it available to acquire a copy or is it for 'reference only'? If so, can I obtain a copy of the pages you refer to? I appreciate they will be in Norwegian so I could have them translated by the consulate here.

 

To clarify my understanding, we have two 1801 Census references for Ole - I understand one is in Rod, Drammen, one in Kongsberg. You are confirming the Drammen reference to an Ole is not the son of Hans K Myra and Berthe and is a coincidence? So we discount this widow Martha 2 , Ole and Ingeborg as I see it.

 

In the 1801 Census in Kongsberg, it refers to Hans Myra and Berthe as 'Gift 2 gang' - married twice? Do you have any information on this aspect?

 

I see the address? is shown as Lie Eje - is this the Lie that I can see on the map near the Brumyr Farm and Torsdalen in Kongsberg?

 

Can I determine if the original farm buildings are still there or would they have all gone?

 

Is there information on Hans Christensen and Berthe's 5 children - I have their birth dates from the Census, but nothing more on where they lived married, children etc, other than Ole marrying Sara Marie Jacobsdatter Stoltenberg and a reference to Helge Hanssen owning the MyhreGarden in Stavanger in1833 and a neighbouring property Prahlehagen in 1838, and then Brumyr Farm also in 1833 (Inherited as eldest son?). Do we know if he married?

 

What I am trying determine is are there any descendants of Hans and Berthe's children living in Norway or other countries. The only ones we know of is my great grandfather Helge August Olsen and Hans Bernt Myhre, sons of Ole and Sara Marie.

 

We believe Olava Charlotte, a daughter went to the USA but no information on when or how? And two sons to England, one we know of being Hans August Olsen Myhre.

 

We have no information on how or when Helge August Olsen Myhre left Stavanger on or soon after August 1851 to travel to London? There is a reference provided of 'Myhre' arriving in Hull, England on the S/S Courier in 1857 but no other details. This seems too long after obtaining his Confirmation Certificate, I have the original, dated August 1851.

 

Many questions but appreciate your input.

 

Phil Myhre

 

 

 

[Myhre family New Zealand]

3 hours ago, Myhre family New Zealand said:

Hi Dag,

Very interesting to hear your family links - that means we are related by marriage if I understand correctly? So can you provide names and dates of Hans Myra's parents and grandparents? And also Berthe's ?

 

I have a family tree on my heritage which you may want to see if you would like. (It now requires some modifications !!).

 

May I ask a some questions to allow me to understand and confirm a few facts.

 

The "Myhre Book' you refer to - is it available to acquire a copy or is it for 'reference only'? If so, can I obtain a copy of the pages you refer to? I appreciate they will be in Norwegian so I could have them translated by the consulate here.

 

To clarify my understanding, we have two 1801 Census references for Ole - I understand one is in Rod, Drammen, one in Kongsberg. You are confirming the Drammen reference to an Ole is not the son of Hans K Myra and Berthe and is a coincidence? So we discount this widow Martha 2 , Ole and Ingeborg as I see it.

 

In the 1801 Census in Kongsberg, it refers to Hans Myra and Berthe as 'Gift 2 gang' - married twice? Do you have any information on this aspect?

 

I see the address? is shown as Lie Eje - is this the Lie that I can see on the map near the Brumyr Farm and Torsdalen in Kongsberg?

 

Can I determine if the original farm buildings are still there or would they have all gone?

 

Is there information on Hans Christensen and Berthe's 5 children - I have their birth dates from the Census, but nothing more on where they lived married, children etc, other than Ole marrying Sara Marie Jacobsdatter Stoltenberg and a reference to Helge Hanssen owning the MyhreGarden in Stavanger in1833 and a neighbouring property Prahlehagen in 1838, and then Brumyr Farm also in 1833 (Inherited as eldest son?). Do we know if he married?

 

What I am trying determine is are there any descendants of Hans and Berthe's children living in Norway or other countries. The only ones we know of is my great grandfather Helge August Olsen and Hans Bernt Myhre, sons of Ole and Sara Marie.

 

We believe Olava Charlotte, a daughter went to the USA but no information on when or how? And two sons to England, one we know of being Hans August Olsen Myhre.

 

We have no information on how or when Helge August Olsen Myhre left Stavanger on or soon after August 1851 to travel to London? There is a reference provided of 'Myhre' arriving in Hull, England on the S/S Courier in 1857 but no other details. This seems too long after obtaining his Confirmation Certificate, I have the original, dated August 1851.

 

Many questions but appreciate your input.

 

Phil Myhre

 

P.S Perhaps the arrival in Hull  1857 was one of the two brothers meant to have gone to England?

 

 

[Dag Thorsdalen]

A lot of questions, Phil! I'll give you more answers later. 

 

17 timer siden, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

other than Ole marrying Sara Marie Jacobsdatter Stoltenberg

 

I see that the Stoltenberg cover-up plan is still working!

 

As Steinnes proves in his article Sara Marie was NOT a Jacobsdatter. Her father was the unmarried Holger Stoltenberg (born 25 Feb 1761, Ås, Akershus, died ) Sep 1804, Bergen, Hordaland.

 

Holger went the law school at the University Copenhagen and passed the exam in 1787. The same year he got an appointment as an associated judge at the Øverhoffretten (the then highest court in Norway) in Christiania (now Oslo). In 1789 he became a full member of that court, a position he held until the court was dissolved in 1797, and he was transfered to become a member of the new Stiftsoverretten (regional high court) in Bergen. 

 

Holger had four illegitimate children, Sara Marie and her sister Anne with a so far unknown lady, and later two more children with his housekeeper Ragnhild Villand. Steinnes proves that Ragnhild Villand was NOT Sara Marie's mother. A number of skilled genealogist have tried to find entries in the church records for Sara Marie and Anne's baptism records and to figure out who their mother might be, but so far without any results. 

 

Steinnes has no description of Sara Marie. However, he refers a description from another member of the Stoltenberg Familiy of her sister Anne as a real beauty! Perhaps the two sisters had something in common?

 

Holger Stoltenberg was the son of the vicar of Ås, Akershus Henrik Vincents Stoltenberg (1724–1801) and wife Sara Marie Plade (1741–1801). So Sara Marie was named after her paternal grandmother. Here is a very uncomplete overview of the Stoltenberg Family from the Norwegian Wikipedia: 

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoltenberg_(slekt) 

 

Holger Stoltenberg isn't mentioned there, but his parents and paternal ancestors are. 

 

 

17 timer siden, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

To clarify my understanding, we have two 1801 Census references for Ole - I understand one is in Rod, Drammen, one in Kongsberg. You are confirming the Drammen reference to an Ole is not the son of Hans K Myra and Berthe and is a coincidence? So we discount this widow Martha 2 , Ole and Ingeborg as I see it.

 

Correct! You have to forget everything about the Ole in Rød, Drammen. He has nothing with your family to do.

 

 

More later!

 

[Myhre family New Zealand]

Very interesting. As you say,  Sara's family did a fine job of hiding the details of her 'predicament' and that of her siblings. I have a note that Sara was confirmed in 1807 (not substantiated yet) but if so, shows a lot of support for her from her uncles and extended family at a time when such things were very serious, particularly given the family's religious background.

 

I will try and access the Norsk Slektshistorisk Tidesskrift site if I can.

 

The widow Martha and children duly forgotten ! with all due respect to them.

 

Thanks for your time and efforts - looking forward to your next instalment.

 

Phil

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Hi Phil:

 

The Norsk Slektshistorisk Tidsskrift has been digitized, but is not available for free. You can purchase (for approximately NZ$10) and download a copy of the relevant issue by going to http://www.genealogi.no/produkt/nst-bind-18/. The purchase page unfortunately does not appear to be available in English, but only in Norwegian. In the drop-down box that says "Velg en", make sure to pick "Hefte 4" (the article you want is in vol. 18, issue 4). Once you have selected that, press the button that says "Kjøp" (which means Buy). On the next screen, on the right hand side locate the button that says "Til Kassen" (which means Checkout or Pay). The next screen will ask for your personal information (Fornavn is first name, Etternavn is family name, Land is country [New Zealand appears in the dropdown menu], Gateadresse is street address, Sted is city or town, Postnummer is postal code). This information has to be supplied even though you will get the article as a PDF for download rather than physically mailed to you. They will also want a telephone number, an e-mail address, and a password to set up a user account. At the bottom of the form is a box to be ticked to accept terms and conditions ("Jeg har lest og aksepterer sidens vilkår og betingelser"). Once you have filled in everything, click on the box that says "Send ordre" (send order). This will then lead you to a page to put in your credit card information. Here the important thing to remember is that "avbrut" means cancel and "betal" means pay.

 

If you run into problems, I have found David Widerberg Howden, the web editor for the society that publishes the journal, to be very responsive; he also participates in this forum.

Endret September 7, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Myhre family New Zealand]

That's tremendous - thank you. I'll see how we go.

[Dag Thorsdalen]

På 7.9.2018 den 22.32, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

I have a note that Sara was confirmed in 1807 (not substantiated yet) but if so, shows a lot of support for her from her uncles and extended family at a time when such things were very serious, particularly given the family's religious background.

 

According to Steinnes this is her confirmation record as Sara Maria Jacobsdatter in 1807 (#1 among the girls):

SAO, Vestby prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. I 4, 1797-1813, p. 318-319
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061025060250 

 

This is the first time she has been found mentioned as Jacobsdatter. As you'll see, the confirmation priest was her uncle, so I guess this name is his "invention". Steinnes has found her mentioned as such until 1824. 

 

Once again according to Steinnes, this is probably her in 1801: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058212001063