Myhre Family Kongsberg

[Dag Thorsdalen]

På 6.9.2018 den 23.38, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

The "Myhre Book' you refer to - is it available to acquire a copy or is it for 'reference only'? If so, can I obtain a copy of the pages you refer to? I appreciate they will be in Norwegian so I could have them translated by the consulate here.

 

Stamps in the scanned edition of the book shows that it has been scanned from a copy in the National Library and this copy previously was a part of the Stavanger City Library collection. I don't know about any other paper copies of the book. However, I guess there are still some copies among the living family members. 

 

 

På 6.9.2018 den 23.38, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

In the 1801 Census in Kongsberg, it refers to Hans Myra and Berthe as 'Gift 2 gang' - married twice? Do you have any information on this aspect?

 

Your translation is correct, even though this piece of information is "fake news". As shown by me in #9, both spouses were married only once. This is confirmed by the probate registration protocol in Hans Christensen Myra's estate dated 19 Jan 1805 (starts at the bottom of the right page):

SAKO, Numedal og Sandsvær sorenskriveri, H/Hb/Hbc/Hbca/L0001: Skifteutlodningsprotokoll, 1802-1809, p. 296b-297a

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090122350325 

 

I have a transcription of this protocol in Norwegian. 

 

 

På 6.9.2018 den 23.38, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

I see the address? is shown as Lie Eje - is this the Lie that I can see on the map near the Brumyr Farm and Torsdalen in Kongsberg?

 

Lia Eje - or as it would have been written nowadays: Liaeiet - means that the croft or smallhold of Vetlerud is on the land of the Lia Farm. According to the protocol Hans bought Vetlerud on 14 Aug 1783. Since the Lia Farm was owned by the Crown, the farmers there were leaseholders. However, most of those living at "Lia Eje" owned their own crofts, and, thus, were better off than the farmers! Hans was among them. 

 

 

På 6.9.2018 den 23.38, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

Can I determine if the original farm buildings are still there or would they have all gone?

 

The farm house at Vetlerud is from the 18th century and was renovated and extended in 1979. So, yes, it is still there! It was built, probably in the 1740s, by Vetle Nirisson, the pioneer, which Vetlerud has its name from. The oldest house at Bromyr Øvre is from 1815. The farm house at Thorsdalen was built in the mid-18th  century, perhaps by Berthe Eriksdatter's father.

 

[Dag Thorsdalen]

På 6.9.2018 den 23.38, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

So can you provide names and dates of Hans Myra's parents and grandparents? And also Berthe's ?

 

Here is a short overview with just a few details:

 

Hans Christensen Myra's parents:

Kristen Sørensson Myra (1717-1792) and Tora Hansdatter Moen (1719-1786) , married 4 Dec 1745.

Kristen baptized 10 Oct 1717, buried 18 Feb 1792.

Tora baptized 29 Sep 1719, buried 8 Jul 1786.

Kristen was born at Bromyr Øvre, worked as a miner from 1724 and took over the leasehold of the farm from his father in 1743.

They got 9 children, among whom 8 grew up and 7 got married.

 

Kristen Sørensson Myra's parents:

Søren Hansson Moen or Myra and Margrete Kristensdatter.

Their wedding isn't registered in the church records of Kongsberg or in the surrounding parishes. My guess is that it happened in 1701 (their first child was baptized in July 1702). 

They lived in downtown Kongsberg until 1715 or 1716 when Søren got a leasehold contract for Bromyr Øvre, then a new farm carved out from the neighboring Fulsebakke Farm, where Søren's brother Anders was the leaseholder. The contract is dated 4 Apr 1716, but often the paper work was done after the real takeover had taken place. 

Søren was probably born in 1677 (or close to that year - the church records of Kongsberg don't reach that far back). He started to work in the mines as a boy, probably in 1689 or late in 1688. He was buried 16 Apr 1746.

Margrete was buried 13 Jun 1760, age 95 years 2,5 months. Her age is obviously to high, based on the birth of her youngest child (Kristen) in 1717, it's my judgement that her birth should be dated to the 1670s. She was probably a sister of Maren/Mari Kristensdatter, married to Søren's brother Anders. Also her age is overestimated in the sources. Their parents are unknown.

Søren and Margrete got 7 known children, among whom 5 grew up and got married.

Their children Berte (1704-1742), Hans (1709-1776) and Kristine (1714-1779) are among my ancestors.

 

Søren Hansson Moen or Myra's father:

Hans Sørensson - later known as Hans Sørensson Moen - buried 10 Jul 1717. According to a survey of mining employees from 1711 he was at that time 85 years and still working full time as an operator of mining machinery! My question is: How credible is that? Otherwise the survey mentions that he was born in the City of Tønsberg and had been on the payroll for 50 years. This last piece of information is more credible; a Hans from Tønsberg - probably him - has been found in the accounts of Kongsberg Sølvverk as early as in 1662 when he transported wood to the river Jondalselva. At least from 1671 he is mentioned as a mining operator (at the Segen Gottes Mine). 

Tønsberg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tønsberg 

He is mentioned in the tax lists as the leaseholder of the Thorsdalen/Moenseter Søndre Farm from 1686, and has lived there as such at least from 1680 - and probably either there or in the vicinity at least from ca. 1670.

He was married at least twice. His first known wife was buried from Hedenstad Church in December 1688, age 44. Her name is unknown. She was probably Søren's mother. However, Hans' eldest son was in 1711 stated to be 50 years old, and if that's correct the one who died in 1688 probably was to young to have been his mother. 

In Hedenstad Church in October 1689 Hans remarried a Dorte Larsdatter (died in 1698, age unknown). 

Hans's known children:

1. Hans, c1661-1719, married before 1699 to Live Jondatter, lived at Bromyr Nedre.

2. Anders, c1669-1726, married 1. to unknown (died 1698), 2. 1700 to Maren/Mari Kristensdatter, lived at Fulsebakke.

3. Søren, c1677-1746 (above).

4. Daughter (name unknown), c1680-1694.

5. Son (name unknown), c1685-1698.

6. Helge, 1688-1754 (se below).

7. Berte, 1690-1777, married 1714 Svein Olsson (c1682-1763), lived at Bakkane u. Jondalen.

Søren and Berte are among my ancestors.

 

Tora Hansdatter Moen's parents:

Hans Olsson Moen (c1667-1740) and Guri Kittilsdatter Lindbu (c1683-1755), married in Hedenstad Church 29 Sep 1705, at the Moen/Moenseter Nordre Farm.

Hans is mentioned as the leaseholder of Moen from 1699 (he had taken over from his step-father a few years earlier) in a survey of armed farmers. He was buried 23 Jan 1746, Guri 15 Mar 1755. 

Hans's mother was Maren Hansdatter (died in 1692). She was married twice. Her first husband was probably Ola Helgesson Jondalen, with whom she at least had Hans and the daughter Ellen. In 1680 she remarried Erik Olsson, and they lived at Moen where Erik is mentioned as the leaseholder in the tax lists from 1687. One known daughter in her second marriage.

Guri was from the Lindbu Farm, Svene sub-parish, Flesberg, Buskerud. Her pedigree might be followed back to the 15th century through the local history book ("bygdebok"), the Flesbergboka (see vol. 7 p. 88-89 and p. 505-510). Ola Helgesson Jondalen mother and Guri's paternal grandfather were siblings.

Hans is never mentioned as employed by the Kongsberg Sølvverk.

He and Guri got 12 children, among whom 2 were stillborn, 3 died young and 7 got married. Their sons Ola (1706-1749) and Borger (1715-1770) are among my ancestors.

Moen/Moenseter Nordre: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=14&lat=6630958.95&lon=192459.32 

Lindbu: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=14&lat=6636110.94&lon=193868.85 

 

Berthe Eriksdatter's parents: 

Erik Helgesson Moen/Thorsdalen (1713-1759) and Kirsten (Kjersti) Helliksdatter Moen (1729-1759), married 15 Jul 1752.

Erik was baptized 10 Sep 1713 and was buried 13 Oct 1759. He is mentioned as a miner from the age of 9, and took over the leasehold of the Thorsdalen/Moenseter Søndre farm after his father. After Erik died, the leasehold of the farm was taken over by his brother Søren.

Kirsten was buried one week before her husband (6 Oct 1759). She was from the Moen Søndre Farm, Svene sub-parish, Flesberg, see Flesbergboka vol. 5 p. 463: https://www.nb.no/items/a8a2accfd33dc532753931d23dabfb38?page=465 

Their children: Anna (1753-1785), Berthe (1755-1811) and Helge (1758-1761).

Moen Søndre, Svene: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=16&lat=6642361.64&lon=196606.61 

 

Erik Helgessons parents:

Helge Hansson Moen (1688-1754) and Mari/Maren Eriksdatter Dal, married 24 Jan 1708.

Helge was born at the Thorsdalen/Moenseter Søndre Farm and baptized in Hedenstad Church 15 Jul 1688 and was buried 27 Jul 1754. He is mentioned as a miner from the age of 10.

Mari/Maren Eriksdatter was from the Dal Nedre Farm, Hedenstad sub-parish, Sandsvær, Buskerud (see Sandsværs historie vol. 6 p. 510): https://www.nb.no/items/f6392729daa1c64f55d0f87d68227b76?page=513 

She was buried 12 Jan 1771, age 96 years 1 day - which is probably a few years too high. There are available church records of Sandsvær from the mid-1670s, where she isn't to be found. However, there are a number of lacunae in the late-1670 and early-1680s. My guess is that she was baptized during one of them.

They got 8 children, among whom 2 died young and 6 got married.

The Dal Nedre farm doesn't exist anymore, most of it is part of the military Camp Heistadmoen:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heistadmoen

 

Helge Hansson Moen's parents: 

Hans Sørensson Moen and his nameless wife (died 1688). Se above.

 

 

Since the spelling of person names may vary in the sources, I here use the standard spelling recommended by The Norwegian Genealogical Society. If nothing else is mentioned in the text, all references are to the church records of Kongsberg. Unfortunately you're unable to open the books I've linked to without having a Norwegian IP-address. 

Hedenstad Church: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6620322.99&lon=198675.52 

Svene Church: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=14&lat=6641447.95&lon=196198.03 

 

[Dag Thorsdalen]

På 6.9.2018 den 23.38, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

Is there information on Hans Christensen and Berthe's 5 children - I have their birth dates from the Census, but nothing more on where they lived married, children etc, other than Ole marrying Sara Marie Jacobsdatter Stoltenberg and a reference to Helge Hanssen owning the MyhreGarden in Stavanger in1833 and a neighbouring property Prahlehagen in 1838, and then Brumyr Farm also in 1833 (Inherited as eldest son?). Do we know if he married?

 

Hans Christensen and Berthe Eriksdatter's children:

 

1. Kirsten (1778-1778), twin, buried 2 Jun 1778, age 3 days old.

 

2. Margreta Marie (1778-1778), twin, buried 2 Jun 1778, 8 days old.

 

3. Kirsten (1779-1779), buried 30 Oct 1779, 12-13 days old.

 

4. Erik (1781-1782), buried 12 Jan 1782, 9 days old.

 

5. Erik (1783-1811), unmarried miner, baptized 7 Jun 1783, buried 21 Dec 1811. 

 

6. Kristen (1787-1808), unmarried miner, baptized 23 Jun 1787, buried 25 Jun 1808.

 

7. Ole (1790-1836), baptized 6 Nov 1790, your ancestor.

 

8. Søren, born 1793, baptized 22 Jun 1793, mentioned when his brother Erik died in 1811. I've been unable to find his burial record. Since he isn't mentioned in the Myhre Family Book, it's my guess that he died without descendants somewhere outside the Jondalen and Kongsberg area.

 

9. Helge (1796-1873), baptized 24 Jul 1796.

 

 

More about Ole and Helge later. 

 

 

Hans Christensen Myra is mentioned in surveys of mining employees in 1765 and 1771:

 

1765: Hans Christensen Myre, age 13, on the payroll for 4,5 years, born in Jondalen, lives with his father (who is also a miner), works at one of the mining company's crushing plants (probably the Jondalen crushing plant) as a "Jungslemmer/Bühntrekker", which means that he sorted silver ore from waste rock. This was a typical work for young boys.

 

1771: Hans Chr. Myra, age 21, on the payroll for 12 years, born in Jondalen, works as a "sprenger" (i.e. junior class of ordinary miners) at the St. Andreas Prospect, which was in the hillside just over Bromyr. Both his father and worked the same place. 

 

In 1798 I have found him mentioned as a "sjakthauer", that is a carpenter working on the wooden constructions inside the mines. There is a tradition among some of his descendants that he also was a "stiger", that is a foreman. If so, he probably was a "sjaktstiger", that is the leading carpenter responsible for all wooden works inside one particular mine.

 

 

The Bromyr Øvre Farm was taken over by Kristen Sørensson Myra's son Ola Kristensson Myra (1749-1795), married 1775 to Guri Jonsdatter Lia (1757-1828), 5 children. After Ola died, Guri in 1796 remarried the widower Anders Hansson Bæver (1759-1832). In 1799 (registered in 1800) Anders Bæver and his eldest step-son, Søren Olsson Myra (b. 1776) bought the Bromyr Øvre Farm from the Crown, and each of them farmed half the farm. This is the origin of the partition of Bromyr Øvre into Bromyr Østre and Bromyr Vestre, which was finally formalized in 1848. 

 

In the 1820s Søren Myra moved away, and his part of the farm, Bromyr Vestre, was from 1849 owned by Helge Christensen Myhra (1823-1878), and son of Søren's younger brother Christen Olsson Myhra (1784-1860) and wife Mari Helgesdatter Thorsdalen (1790-1864). Their descendants kept Bromyr Vestre until 1911, when it was sold out of the family.

 

Anders Bæver had a son from his first marriage, Hans Andersen Bæver or Myhra (1784-1855), who took over the Bromyr Østre part from his father. He was married to Marthe Christensdatter Dokka (1786-1866). Her mother was Hans Christensen Myra's sister, so through her the old Myra Family came back to the farm, and it still belong to their descendants. In 1969 they also bought Bromyr Vestre, reuniting the two parts of the farm.

 

[Myhre family New Zealand]

1 hour ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

 

Here is a short overview with just a few details:

 

Hans Christensen Myra's parents:

Kristen Sørensson Myra (1717-1792) and Tora Hansdatter Moen (1719-1786) , married 4 Dec 1745.

Kristen baptized 10 Oct 1717, buried 18 Feb 1792.

Tora baptized 29 Sep 1719, buried 8 Jul 1786.

Kristen was born at Bromyr Øvre, worked as a miner from 1724 and took over the leasehold of the farm from his father in 1743.

They got 9 children, among whom 8 grew up and 7 got married.

 

Kristen Sørensson Myra's parents:

Søren Hansson Moen or Myra and Margrete Kristensdatter.

Their wedding isn't registered in the church records of Kongsberg or in the surrounding parishes. My guess is that it happened in 1701 (their first child was baptized in July 1702). 

They lived in downtown Kongsberg until 1715 or 1716 when Søren got a leasehold contract for Bromyr Øvre, then a new farm carved out from the neighboring Fulsebakke Farm, where Søren's brother Anders was the leaseholder. The contract is dated 4 Apr 1716, but often the paper work was done after the real takeover had taken place. 

Søren was probably born in 1677 (or close to that year - the church records of Kongsberg don't reach that far back). He started to work in the mines as a boy, probably in 1689 or late in 1688. He was buried 16 Apr 1746.

Margrete was buried 13 Jun 1760, age 95 years 2,5 months. Her age is obviously to high, based on the birth of her youngest child (Kristen) in 1717, it's my judgement that her birth should be dated to the 1670s. She was probably a sister of Maren/Mari Kristensdatter, married to Søren's brother Anders. Also her age is overestimated in the sources. Their parents are unknown.

Søren and Margrete got 7 known children, among whom 5 grew up and got married.

Their children Berte (1704-1742), Hans (1709-1776) and Kristine (1714-1779) are among my ancestors.

 

Søren Hansson Moen or Myra's father:

Hans Sørensson - later known as Hans Sørensson Moen - buried 10 Jul 1717. According to a survey of mining employees from 1711 he was at that time 85 years and still working full time as an operator of mining machinery! My question is: How credible is that? Otherwise the survey mentions that he was born in the City of Tønsberg and had been on the payroll for 50 years. This last piece of information is more credible; a Hans from Tønsberg - probably him - has been found in the accounts of Kongsberg Sølvverk as early as in 1662 when he transported wood to the river Jondalselva. At least from 1671 he is mentioned as a mining operator (at the Segen Gottes Mine). 

Tønsberg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tønsberg 

He is mentioned in the tax lists as the leaseholder of the Thorsdalen/Moenseter Søndre Farm from 1686, and has lived there as such at least from 1680 - and probably either there or in the vicinity at least from ca. 1670.

He was married at least twice. His first known wife was buried from Hedenstad Church in December 1688, age 44. Her name is unknown. She was probably Søren's mother. However, Hans' eldest son was in 1711 stated to be 50 years old, and if that's correct the one who died in 1688 probably was to young to have been his mother. 

In Hedenstad Church in October 1689 Hans remarried a Dorte Larsdatter (died in 1698, age unknown). 

Hans's known children:

1. Hans, c1661-1719, married before 1699 to Live Jondatter, lived at Bromyr Nedre.

2. Anders, c1669-1726, married 1. to unknown (died 1698), 2. 1700 to Maren/Mari Kristensdatter, lived at Fulsebakke.

3. Søren, c1677-1746 (above).

4. Daughter (name unknown), c1680-1694.

5. Son (name unknown), c1685-1698.

6. Helge, 1688-1754 (se below).

7. Berte, 1690-1777, married 1714 Svein Olsson (c1682-1763), lived at Bakkane u. Jondalen.

Søren and Berte are among my ancestors.

 

Tora Hansdatter Moen's parents:

Hans Olsson Moen (c1667-1740) and Guri Kittilsdatter Lindbu (c1683-1755), married in Hedenstad Church 29 Sep 1705, at the Moen/Moenseter Nordre Farm.

Hans is mentioned as the leaseholder of Moen from 1699 (he had taken over from his step-father a few years earlier) in a survey of armed farmers. He was buried 23 Jan 1746, Guri 15 Mar 1755. 

Hans's mother was Maren Hansdatter (died in 1692). She was married twice. Her first husband was probably Ola Helgesson Jondalen, with whom she at least had Hans and the daughter Ellen. In 1680 she remarried Erik Olsson, and they lived at Moen where Erik is mentioned as the leaseholder in the tax lists from 1687. One known daughter in her second marriage.

Guri was from the Lindbu Farm, Svene sub-parish, Flesberg, Buskerud. Her pedigree might be followed back to the 15th century through the local history book ("bygdebok"), the Flesbergboka (see vol. 7 p. 88-89 and p. 505-510). Ola Helgesson Jondalen mother and Guri's paternal grandfather were siblings.

Hans is never mentioned as employed by the Kongsberg Sølvverk.

He and Guri got 12 children, among whom 2 were stillborn, 3 died young and 7 got married. Their sons Ola (1706-1749) and Borger (1715-1770) are among my ancestors.

Moen/Moenseter Nordre: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=14&lat=6630958.95&lon=192459.32 

Lindbu: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=14&lat=6636110.94&lon=193868.85 

 

Berthe Eriksdatter's parents: 

Erik Helgesson Moen/Thorsdalen (1713-1759) and Kirsten (Kjersti) Helliksdatter Moen (1729-1759), married 15 Jul 1752.

Erik was baptized 10 Sep 1713 and was buried 13 Oct 1759. He is mentioned as a miner from the age of 9, and took over the leasehold of the Thorsdalen/Moenseter Søndre farm after his father. After Erik died, the leasehold of the farm was taken over by his brother Søren.

Kirsten was buried one week before her husband (6 Oct 1759). She was from the Moen Søndre Farm, Svene sub-parish, Flesberg, see Flesbergboka vol. 5 p. 463: https://www.nb.no/items/a8a2accfd33dc532753931d23dabfb38?page=465 

Their children: Anna (1753-1785), Berthe (1755-1811) and Helge (1758-1761).

Moen Søndre, Svene: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=16&lat=6642361.64&lon=196606.61 

 

Erik Helgessons parents:

Helge Hansson Moen (1688-1754) and Mari/Maren Eriksdatter Dal, married 24 Jan 1708.

Helge was born at the Thorsdalen/Moenseter Søndre Farm and baptized in Hedenstad Church 15 Jul 1688 and was buried 27 Jul 1754. He is mentioned as a miner from the age of 10.

Mari/Maren Eriksdatter was from the Dal Nedre Farm, Hedenstad sub-parish, Sandsvær, Buskerud (see Sandsværs historie vol. 6 p. 510): https://www.nb.no/items/f6392729daa1c64f55d0f87d68227b76?page=513 

She was buried 12 Jan 1771, age 96 years 1 day - which is probably a few years too high. There are available church records of Sandsvær from the mid-1670s, where she isn't to be found. However, there are a number of lacunae in the late-1670 and early-1680s. My guess is that she was baptized during one of them.

They got 8 children, among whom 2 died young and 6 got married.

The Dal Nedre farm doesn't exist anymore, most of it is part of the military Camp Heistadmoen:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heistadmoen

 

Helge Hansson Moen's parents: 

Hans Sørensson Moen and his nameless wife (died 1688). Se above.

 

 

Since the spelling of person names may vary in the sources, I here use the standard spelling recommended by The Norwegian Genealogical Society. If nothing else is mentioned in the text, all references are to the church records of Kongsberg. Unfortunately you're unable to open the books I've linked to without having a Norwegian IP-address. 

Hedenstad Church: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6620322.99&lon=198675.52 

Svene Church: http://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=14&lat=6641447.95&lon=196198.03 

 

 

Sincere thanks for all this - it is quite humbling to suddenly know names  of your forbears for the first time. I am positive my father nor his father who came out from England to New Zealand as a 10 year old, were not aware of of this information, particularly as Hans August's father died when he was only one.

 

So lots more to do on Hans Christensen and Ole's children to see who may have descendants still living, find a copy of the Myhre book and some pictures of the Farm. Google Earth here I come.

[Myhre family New Zealand]

On 9/8/2018 at 8:55 AM, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

Hi Phil:

 

The Norsk Slektshistorisk Tidsskrift has been digitized, but is not available for free. You can purchase (for approximately NZ$10) and download a copy of the relevant issue by going to http://www.genealogi.no/produkt/nst-bind-18/. The purchase page unfortunately does not appear to be available in English, but only in Norwegian. In the drop-down box that says "Velg en", make sure to pick "Hefte 4" (the article you want is in vol. 18, issue 4). Once you have selected that, press the button that says "Kjøp" (which means Buy). On the next screen, on the right hand side locate the button that says "Til Kassen" (which means Checkout or Pay). The next screen will ask for your personal information (Fornavn is first name, Etternavn is family name, Land is country [New Zealand appears in the dropdown menu], Gateadresse is street address, Sted is city or town, Postnummer is postal code). This information has to be supplied even though you will get the article as a PDF for download rather than physically mailed to you. They will also want a telephone number, an e-mail address, and a password to set up a user account. At the bottom of the form is a box to be ticked to accept terms and conditions ("Jeg har lest og aksepterer sidens vilkår og betingelser"). Once you have filled in everything, click on the box that says "Send ordre" (send order). This will then lead you to a page to put in your credit card information. Here the important thing to remember is that "avbrut" means cancel and "betal" means pay.

 

If you run into problems, I have found David Widerberg Howden, the web editor for the society that publishes the journal, to be very responsive; he also participates in this forum.

 

I have today ordered the NST  Issue 18 on-line. Thanks for the instructions on the ordering process.

[Myhre family New Zealand]

Dag,

 

My email is; phildazm@gmail.com

 

Can you send me your email to this?

 

Thanks, Phil

[Myhre family New Zealand]

 

 

 Hi Dag,

 

Have been sent these pictures of 'The Myhre Farm' but unfortuantely no address or location details. Do they look correct from you knowledge of what you have seen? I  hope you can open them.

 

 

 

Myhre Widerøe 1951MMyhre Farm - colour.lnkyhre Widerøe 1951 - B&W.lnk.tif

[Myhre family New Zealand]

On 9/6/2018 at 8:54 AM, Dag Thorsdalen said:

Phil,

 

There is a family book about the Myhre family. Most of it was written a century ago by a grandson of Ole Hansen Myhre's brother Helge Hansen Myhre (1796-1873). The grandson writes that he has parts of his information from his own family. Among those has to be Ole's daughter Josefa Berhardine, who he describes his memories of. When Ole died, Sara Marie went to Stavanger to live with her daughter Josefa Bernhardine. The most interesting part for you starts on page #95, and Ole's family branch is mentioned on page 99-101. There you'll find your great-grandfather Helge August and his sister Olava Charlotte. When the book was published in 1977 by the author's grandson, he supplied it with more information aboth the more recent generations of the Norwegian branches of the family.

https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2011092608073 

 

Ole is also identified in an article in Norsk Slektshistorisk Tidsskrift (Norwegian Geneagogical Journal) vol. 18: Asgaut Steinnes: "Eitt og anna om legatgjevaren Christian Holger Stoltenberg, om foreldri hans og om syskeni hans. The article starts on p. 268 and part covering Sara Marie Stoltenberg and her family starts on p. 286. Ole's identfication is on p. 288. On the same page I read that he died on 2 Jan 1836. In the 1840s Sara Marie and all of her children moved to Stavanger, where Sara Marie died on 21 Apr 1851. 

 

Steinnes was a renowned historian and genealogist. He shows that Sara Marie was born out of wedlock and who her father was. However, there exist no birth or baptism records telling about her origin, probably due to a cover-up operation from the Stortenberg Family who controlled the church records of Vestby, Akershus, where Sara Marie grew up and her uncle (father's brother) was a pastor.

 

 

Good news - I ordered the NST Vol;18 and it is confirmed it is on the way to me in NZ.

[Dag Thorsdalen]

På 10.9.2018 den 12.38, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

Have been sent these pictures of 'The Myhre Farm' but unfortuantely no address or location details. Do they look correct from you knowledge of what you have seen? I  hope you can open them.

Myhre Widerøe 1951MMyhre Farm - colour.lnkyhre Widerøe 1951 - B&W.lnk.tif

 

Sorry, Phil, I've been unable to open them! 

 

On the other hand I've found a picture taken of the Bromyr Østre Farm in 1899: https://digitaltmuseum.no/021015867181/bryllupet-til-jon-o-lindbu-1873-1907-og-anna-kristensd-myhra-anna-fodt 

A picture of the bride and groom: https://digitaltmuseum.no/021015868841/bryllup-bryllup-jon-o-lindbu-og-anna-k-myhra-jondalen-foto-1899 

And one of one the bride's brothers: https://digitaltmuseum.no/021015868782/kristian-myhra-repro-1897 

 

The bride is a great-great-granddaughter of your ancestors Kristen Sørensson Myra (1717-1792) and Tora Hansdatter Moen (1719-1786). The present owner of the Bromyr Øvre farm is a great-granddaughter of her brother Hans Thorvald Myhra. The bride's father is also visible on the photo. He was Helge August Myhre's second cousin. The house on the picture was built in 1853.

 

 

På 10.9.2018 den 2.17, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

My email is; phildazm@gmail.com

Can you send me your email to this?

 

I've sent you a mail some hours ago. Please tell me if you haven't received it.

 

[Dag Thorsdalen]

På 6.9.2018 den 23.38, Myhre family New Zealand skrev:

We have no information on how or when Helge August Olsen Myhre left Stavanger on or soon after August 1851 to travel to London? There is a reference provided of 'Myhre' arriving in Hull, England on the S/S Courier in 1857 but no other details. This seems too long after obtaining his Confirmation Certificate, I have the original, dated August 1851.

 

According to the church records there were no confirmations taking place in Stavanger i August 1851. My guess is that this was when his certificate was issued and that his confirmation had happened earlier. When people moved both inland and out of the country they needed to carry with them some sort of identification papers. For a young man a Confirmation Certificate was the most propper he could have, and was often obtained when he needed it, that is for a journey. However, he isn't mentioned on the list of persons moving out of Stavanger between August 1851 and the end of 1857. What does the certificate say?