11 Olesen, Olsen, Olsdaatter, Olson Sisters from Voss, Norway.

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4 hours ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

I have now checked the parish books for all Norwegian Lutheran congregations near Decorah at that time - they did not get married at Big Canoe, at Decorah Norwegian, or at

3 hours ago, Randi Elisabeth Haugros said:

You may ask the Family search center in Salt Lake City, Utah for a copy of the marriage record.

Take a look here:

 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCHQ-1SM

Hello Randi, Thanks for this, its exactly what I found on Ancestry... but strange does not state where the marriage took place as in Church. 

Thanks for joining in, all suggestions, eye and brains are welcome.

Kind regards, Devon

 

4 hours ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

 

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2 hours ago, Randi Elisabeth Haugros said:

Jacob Olsen Dahle's familytree:

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/57328692/person/34051628517/facts

Yes~! This is my family tree on Ancestry... ;O)  Jacob and Dorothea are two out of three of my brick walls.

This part of our family has been lost, and left behind. I am attempting to revive it and bring back the history and lives.

Thanks again for all of this help.

 

Kind regards,

Devon

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3 hours ago, Randi Elisabeth Haugros said:

Here is Ellef Størksen Berge's familytree:

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/11224970/person/13123822560/facts?ssrc=

 

He came to the US with his to sons, Knut and Johannes and daugther Mari, not Kari, mentionen in # 6. 

 

At Ole Martin's baptism, one of the witnesses is a Marie Ellefsdtr. Rev. Berge's sister?

Johannes is not listed in the tree but is on the Norway outbound list. I would say yes! She must be his sister. 

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2 hours ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

 

Another of the witnesses at Ole Martin's baptism was Jens Andersen Sollien. Per the family tree cited in post #20, this was Mari Ellefsdatter Berge's husband (they are named as the parents in baptism #90 at https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60722/41742_314972-00515). So yes, Dorthea Olsdatter was definitely associated with Rev. Johannes Ellefsen Berg(h)'s family in Iowa.

This is awesome~! A great discovery~! 

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Johannes is not listed in the tree but is on theNorway outbound list. 

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Johannes E. Berge is on the Norway outbound list and in the tree.

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Thanks Randi ;o)

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Dorthe Olsdatter born in Haus i 1836 got a sister, Britha Olsdatter, born 1833. 

Britha married i 1858 Simon Simonsen. 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000263968

 

In the Census 1865 Britha and Simon and their daughters lives in Voss.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038235000281

 

On the same list is Britha's sister Daarthe (Dorthe) Olsdatter born in Haus!

 

In this list of emigrant leaving Bergen in 1867 is Dorthe Olsdatter Berge from Voss.

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=Quebec65&gardpostnr=7029&personpostnr=7029#nedre

 

No 21 here:

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=655

 

Kristi Ellevsdatter leaving with her daughters, I have not search for them in the churchbooks yet, butvI will do.

 

So, if these Dorthe in 1865 and on the enmigrationlist is   Dorothy Dahle, she was born in Haus, went to Voss to stay in her sister's house, and left from Voss to America. 

That's give birthplace Voss.

Endret August 30, 2018 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Kristi Ellefsdatter is Rev. Johannes Ellefsen Berge's sister.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCCT-MHY

 

 

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Bravo, Randi!

 

Original baptismal record at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524640155, entry #151.

 

 

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

So, to put this all together:

 

Dortea Olsdatter was born 1 November 1836 in Haus as one of 13 children (one dies in infancy, so she grows up with 11 siblings, not as one of 11 sisters).

 

Her father (who is of right age to have been a soldier in the Norwegian army during the Napoleonic wars 1807-14, though still unconfirmed whether he actually was a soldier) dies in 1854; family is dispersed thereafter.

 

Dortea ends up at Berge in Voss, where Ellef Størksen had lived. Ellef leaves with three of his children for Winneshiek County, Iowa, in 1857 (three years after Dortea's father had died - is this where the "3 years" came in?), but some of his other children as well as Dortea remain at Berge. In 1865 Dortea is listed as a servant girl with her sister Britha and Britha's husband Simon at Berge; Ellef's widowed daughter Kristi with her two children is living with them.

 

In June 1867 Dortea, together with Kristi Ellefsdatter and Kristi's two children, leaves for America via Quebec. They end up in Highland Township, Winneshiek County, where Kristi's father Ellef had settled in 1857. Here Dortea meets Jacob Olsen Dahle, who had also emigrated via Quebec, and they marry in January 1868. Kristi's sister Mari and her husband Jens Andersen serve as witnesses at the baptism of Dortea's first child Ole Martin.

 

In 1869 Ellef's son (and Kristi and Mari's brother) Johannes graduates from seminary in St. Louis, Missouri, and takes up a posting as minister at the town of Sacred Heart in Renville County, Minnesota. Sometime in the early 1870s Jacob Dahle with Dortea and their first two children join Rev. Johannes Berge in Renville County, continuing the long association between Dortea and the Berge family.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

For proof that Kristi Ellefsdatter and her children (and thus presumably Dortea Olsdatter as well) actually joined Ellef and his family in Winneshiek County:

 

Kristi's daughter Guri Olsdatter (the younger of her two daughters on the ship to Quebec) is confirmed 1877 at Big Canoe Lutheran Church (https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=ELCAbmd&h=3358546&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=60722) and gets married 1880 at Big Canoe (https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=ELCAbmd&h=6644351&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=60722).

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

The particular farmstead on which Dortea Olsdatter lived with her sister Britha Olsdatter and brother-in-law Simon as well as Kristi Ellefsdatter in 1865 was Berge løpnr. 21, per the census record. This in fact was the specific farmstead that Ellef Størksen owned from 1825 to 1857 - see index to land records at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/tl20071213650474, left-hand side (this is difficult to read, but this is record for farm Berge in Døvedal section of Voss; in very left-hand column you can see "l. nr. 21", and in the middle column you can see that Ellev Størksen acquired it through purchase [Skj.] on 17 Nov 1825. Below that it looks like an Ingebrigt Olsen bought the property 16 Feb 1857, and then Christie Ellefsdatter and her husband Ole Brynildsen bought it 23 April 1860. On 24 April 1865 it was sold to Ole Johannesen Hovde, and the 1865 census, taken in December 1865, in fact shows an Ole Johannesen as an owner and head of family of the first household on this farmstead).

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4 hours ago, Randi Elisabeth Haugros said:

Dorthe Olsdatter born in Haus i 1836 got a sister, Britha Olsdatter, born 1833. 

Britha married i 1858 Simon Simonsen. 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000263968

 

In the Census 1865 Britha and Simon and their daughters lives in Voss.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038235000281

 

On the same list is Britha's sister Daarthe (Dorthe) Olsdatter born in Haus!

 

In this list of emigrant leaving Bergen in 1867 is Dorthe Olsdatter Berge from Voss.

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=Quebec65&gardpostnr=7029&personpostnr=7029#nedre

 

No 21 here:

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=655

 

Kristi Ellevsdatter leaving with her there daughters, I have search for them in the churchbooks yet, butvI will do.

 

So, if these Dorthe in 1865 and on the enmigrationlist is   Dorothy Dahle, she was born in Haus, went to Voss to stay in her sister's house, and left from Voss to America. 

That's give birthplace Voss.

There's so much to take in.

Okay so Kirsti Ellevsdatter's is with daughters Birthe age 9 and Guri age 7... traveling with Dorthea and Dorthea's sister Martha age 56?

Yes! Voss/Vossi is stated as Dorthea's birth place in the hand written notes in the family letter. 

Can I just thanks so much for this again... Amazing... 

Still a lot to take in.... 

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

It is not uncommon that the last place/recidence the emmigrants lived before they emmigrated, was given as birthplace when they came to the US.

 

Dorthe was born in Haus, lived in Berge farm, Voss before emmigrating to Iowa.

 

And Dorthe got a sister named Martha, b 1834.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH7B-CBL

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Kristi Ellefsdatter Berge died 1868 in Iowa:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/137761657

 

Her daugther Brita died in 1874:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/132359628

 

Endret August 30, 2018 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

[Randi Elisabeth Haugros]

Dorthe Olsdatter b. 1836 in Haus had a brother, Magne, b. 1841.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000003844191

 

The bygdebok for Vaksdal says he went to America and returnes to Norway.

Here he is, in the census 1910:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036695004688

 

Year of emmigration: 1886

Year of return to Noreay: 1906.

Magne lived in Minnesota.

 

But Magne Olsen Stamnessund emmigrated in 1884, se no 51:

SAB, Vaksdal Sokneprestembete, H/Hab: Klokkerbok nr. D 1, 1878-1939, s. 279
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050822030894

 

 

Magne died in 1919:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000831843

Endret September 4, 2018 av Randi Elisabeth Haugros

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On 8/28/2018 at 6:06 AM, Torodd Kinn said:

? Haus is between Voss and Bergen, closer to Bergen.

 

Name:    Dorthe Olesdatter
Name Note:    
Titles and Terms:    
Gender:    Female
Age:    
Race:    
Birth Date:    01 Nov 1836
Birthplace:    
Christening Date:    27 Nov 1836
Christening Place:    HAUS, HORDALAND, NORWAY
Christening Age:    
Death Date:    
Father's Name:    Ole Davesen
Father's Titles and Terms:    
Father's Birthplace:    
Father's Age:    
Mother's Name:    Martha Magnesdr
Mother's Titles and Terms:    
Mother's Birthplace:    
Mother's Age:    
Paternal Grandfather's Name:    
Paternal Grandmother's Name:    
Maternal Grandfather's Name:    
Maternal Grandmother's Name:    
Note:    
Reference ID:    2:QDZNK8
System Origin:    Norway-VR
GS Film Number:    124523
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:    C42143-4

Citing this Record:
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH4D-Y2Q : 10 February 2018), Dorthe Olesdatter, 01 Nov 1836; citing ; FHL microfilm 124,523.

Thank you all for this... I am truly grateful and appreciate the effort and time. 

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On 8/28/2018 at 6:28 AM, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

Dorthe Olsdatter of Haus was confirmed at Stamnæs church in Haus clerical district in 1852: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000000486692

Carl, Randi and Torrod...

 

I have AMAZING NEWS.... you have all been so kind and helpful with my ancestry Brick Wall...I am totally grateful.

Alllll of the information you have found and shared has lead me to a DNA match on Ancestry.com

The match comes from Birtha Olsdatter and her daughter Sigvor Simonsdatter. 

https://www.ancestry.com/connect/Profile/03013828-0000-0000-0000-000000000000

 

Thank you, thank you, than you~~!

kindest regards,

Devon Michelle Long

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On 8/28/2018 at 6:45 AM, Torodd Kinn said:

Clearly, it's possible that the Dorte of Stamnessundet in Haus may be leading us astray. Anyway:

 

This is from Vaksdal bygdebok, vol. 3, p. 327, about Sundet (Stamnessundet). (The earlier Haus is now partly in Vaksdal.)

No information about Dorte's life after she was born. The younger brother Magne lived in the U.S.A but appears to have returned.

 

 

Carl Than YOU again for all your assistance... it's been amazingly helpful and DNA has confirmed that this is the correct Dorthea Olsdatter and her family... Kindest regards. Devon