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I have hit a dead end in my efforts to trace my direct male ancestry.  To progress further back, I need to find the record of the marriage of Knud Kittelsen Lurås, born 1742 in Luraas, Tinn, Telemark, to Gunnhild Halvorsdatter.  Can anyone help me out on this, please?

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To find baptisms, marriages and burials in Norway I recommend using Familysearch (FS). When found you can lookup the original (official) parish record (be aware; spelling of names and dates might deviate).

 

Example:

 

Knud Kittelsen and Gunnhild Halvorsdatter marriage in 1766:

 

Knud Kittilsen

Norway Marriages, 1660-1926

marriage:
7 October 1766
Tinn, Telemark, Norway
spouse:
Gunnild Halvorsdatter

 

 

Links to:

 

Baptisms - https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1467014

Marriages - https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1468080

Burials - https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1468081

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Thank you for your help, Aud Johanne Wasbak SkauEgil JohannessenDag Thorsdalen.

 

So Knud Kittilsen married Gunnild Halvorsdatter on 7 October 1766 at Tinn Parish in the local Parish Church at Attraae (or Atrå - can someone please explain the reason for the difference in spelling?).

 

Olav A. Haugen has kindly provided a transcript of the marriage record.  Can someone please translate the following for me?

 

Remarks:  ’I 3die Leed beslægtet og følgel. erholdet Kongl. Dispensation’.

 

Engagement Date:  ‘Dom. 15.p.Trin.’

 

‘trulovar’

 

What is the rôle of Østen Svalestuen in this?

 

What is the rôle of Niels Luuraas in this?

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2 minutter siden, Al Möen skrev:

‘trulovar’

 

What is the rôle of Østen Svalestuen in this?

 

What is the rôle of Niels Luuraas in this?

 

Best men / witness'

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3 minutter siden, Al Möen skrev:

Dom. 15.p.Trin

 

15th Sunday Post Dominica Trinitatis = 7th September 1766

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There's a lot of research done on this family - http://www.helgeland.nu/English/genealogy/Other/tinn/ole_k_knutson.htm

 

From the site:

 

"Knud Kjetilson married Gunnild Halvorsdotter on 7. Oct 1766 in Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark, NOR.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• They were engaged on 7. Sep 1766 in Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark, NOR. "I 3die Leed beslægtede og følgel: erholdet Kongl: Dispensation"

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44 minutter siden, Al Möen skrev:

Attraae (or Atrå - can someone please explain the reason for the difference in spelling?

 

Atrå is the modern spelling, Attraae is obsolete. 

 

46 minutter siden, Al Möen skrev:

Remarks:  ’I 3die Leed beslægtet og følgel. erholdet Kongl. Dispensation’.

 

They were related to each other in the 3rd generation (i.e. second cousins) and, thus, had got a Royal dispensation (from the law banning marriage between so close relatives). Dispensation required them to pay a fee. 

 

I've scrolled through the tree Egil so kindly has linked to, and I see that when you reach a few generations further back in time, some of the information is rather unreliable or even misleading. 

 

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Related in third degree (literally a word also meaning row or line) and thus [have] obtained [a] Royal exemption [from the law].

 

So they were probably second cousins (I think it is second and not third), possibly with a "removed" step in it (such as if marrying a parent's second cousin).

If one spouse was widowed, an exemption may also have been needed for marrying relatives of the late spouse.

 

Aa = å . Different ways of writing one sound.

And the spelling of names nowadays is both standardized and often simplifyed. In the old days, it may have been written according to the spelling practices at the time, and sometimes also according to what the writer thought suited best.

 

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Thank you all for your brilliant help.  I now comprehend what has happened in this marriage and I have traced my direct paternal ancestry back three further generations to Sigur Bjørnson, born in 1652.  Is that the end of the line now, bearing in mind the availability of records?

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No, Al, that's not the end! Sigurd (Sjur, Syver) Bjørnsson was an outsider who exchanged farms in 1710/11 when the previous owner of Sønstebø got his own home farm, which was Toen, Nore Parish, Buskerud County, and he in stead took over Sønstebø. 

 

Sigurd's father was Bjørn Sjurs-/Syversson from Loftsgården, Åsbøgrenda, Nore Parish. His mother's name was Aslaug. Her origin is unknown, and the local history book suggests that it through her Bjørn came to Toen. He is mentioned there in the tax lists from 1657/58. Both of them died in 1711 and became quite old for their time. The local history book assumes the both of them had passed the age of 90. Two known children: 1) Sigurd (your anscestor) and 2) Halvor, married Ragnhild Torsteinsdatter.

 

Sigurd's wife, Taran Kittilsdatter, was from the neighboring Bråflåt farm. The local history book doesn't know other children than those who are known for sources in Tinn.

 

Source: Loftsgard: Nore og Uvdal i forn og nye: Nore vol. V, p. 2763-64.

 

 

For the time being, I don't have the volume of this book covering Loftsgarden Åsbø available.

 

 

Taran Kittilsdatter's father was Kittil Pedersson, born ca. 1624 and from the Skjønne farm. He inherited the Bråflåt farm from his parents. Ca. 1650 he married Barbro Knutsdatter Bekkeset. Known children: 1) Taran, born ca. 1652, 2) Halvor, took over the farm, 3) Knut and 4) Thomas. Kittil died in 1695 and Barbro in 1699.

 

Source: Loftsgard: Nore og Uvdal i forn og nye: Nore vol. V, p. 2476-80.

 

 

Barbro Knutsdatter's father was Knut Knutsson Bekkeset (he probably died before 1664). Her mother is unknown. They lived at the Bekkeset farm, Nore Parish, which Knut took over from his parents Knut Bekkeset (died before 1615) and Barbro Torsteinsdatter Borge (lived in 1618). Barbro's father: Torstein Halvorsson Borge (died before 1597), his unknown widow remarried a Gjest Jørgensson, who is mentioned at Borge between 1593 and 1604.

 

Source: Loftsgard: Nore og Uvdal i forn og nye: Nore vol. VII p. 602-04.

 

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5 minutter siden, Dag Thorsdalen skrev:

For the time being, I don't have the volume of this book covering Loftsgarden Åsbø available.

 

Just after I posted this, I found out that little more than his given name is known about Bjørn's father Sjur/Syver Loftsgarden. His wife and parents are unknown.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

Sigurd (Sjur, Syver) Bjørnsson was an outsider who exchanged farms in 1710/11 when the previous owner of Sønstebø got his own home farm, which was Toen, Nore Parish, Buskerud County, and he in stead took over Sønstebø. 

 

Hi Dag,

 

Thank you for tracing back my direct paternal ancestry by two further generations.  How did you do this?

 

Are the names Sigur, Sigurd, Sjur and Syver interchangeable?  Are there any other alternative names?  Can you explain the reasons for these variations?

 

Which farm did Sigurd take over in 1710/1711 - Sønstebø farm or Toen farm?

 

Which farm did Sigurd own before 1710/1711?

 

Can you send scans or links to the farm histories and the original documents and location maps for these farms?

 

 

8 hours ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

Sigurd's father was Bjørn Sjurs-/Syversson from Loftsgården, Åsbøgrenda, Nore Parish. His mother's name was Aslaug

 

Can you send scans or links to the farm history and original documents and location maps for Loftsgården farm in Åsbøgrenda?

 

I’m planning my first ever visit to Norway and I would like to visit all of the places, which would have been part of my ancestor’s lives, such as farms, villages and churches.  If I’m lucky, I might even find a few memorial gravestones in the church yards.  I would like to include all farms, villages and churches relevant to the lives of all of my direct male ancestors.  I already have the details for Lurås farm, Tinn, Telemark, and Möen Farm, Hægebostad, Vest-Agder.

 

Vennlig hilsen

 

Alvin

 

 

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10 timer siden, Al Möen skrev:

Thank you for tracing back my direct paternal ancestry by two further generations.  How did you do this?

 

When I read in the "Tinn soga" about the exchange of farms, I knew that there are two alternatives for which farm Sigurd came from. I looked for him in the local history books and found him and his wife with the same story of exchanging farms at Toen, Nore. Then I consulted my own database to see if I already had any notes about some of the persons mentioned here, which I had. What I've told here, is mainly taken from those notes and so are the ltterature references too.

 

10 timer siden, Al Möen skrev:

Are the names Sigur, Sigurd, Sjur and Syver interchangeable?  Are there any other alternative names?  Can you explain the reasons for these variations?

 

Yes, they were considered as interchangeble names at that time. There are more than a dozen variations of this name. However, these are the most common. One reason is that this name was pronounced differently in Nore and in Tinn. Personally, I use Sjur as the preferred variantion for persons living in Nore (and other parts of the region of Numedal) and Sigurd for those who lived in Tinn.

 

In the same way, Kittil and Kjetil (and a few more variations) may be regarded as interchangeable names too.

 

10 timer siden, Al Möen skrev:

Which farm did Sigurd take over in 1710/1711 - Sønstebø farm or Toen farm?

 

He took over the Sønstebø farm in 1710/11. 

 

10 timer siden, Al Möen skrev:

Which farm did Sigurd own before 1710/1711?

 

Before this he owned the Toen farm, Nore.

 

10 timer siden, Al Möen skrev:

Can you send scans or links to the farm histories and the original documents and location maps for these farms?

 

It wouldn't help you very much to send you links to the farm histories. The reason is that due to copy right restrictions you'll need a Norwegian IP-address to open them. Since the direct links to my own family tree starts a few generations further back on Taran Kittilsdatter's side, I don't have the links til the original documents. I'll give you the map localtions later tonight.

 

11 timer siden, Al Möen skrev:

I would like to include all farms, villages and churches relevant to the lives of all of my direct male ancestors.

 

Then you should start with the 12th century Nore Stave Church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nore_Stave_Church 

 

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Map links:

 

Loftsgarden, Åsbø, Nore: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=13&lat=6689508.40&lon=167762.01&markerLat=6689508.402289946&markerLon=167762.01047046977&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Loftsgarden 

 

Skjønne, Nore: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=13&lat=6695215.74&lon=168325.74&markerLat=6695171.666002173&markerLon=168464.57427255312&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Skjønne 

 

Ton (here spelled Ton), Nore: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=13&lat=6697299.19&lon=165558.23&markerLat=6697299.191406249&markerLon=165558.234375&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Ton 

 

Bråflåt, Nore was here, now part of the village of Rødberg (the street named Bråflåtvegen led to the farm houses): https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=16&lat=6696550.90&lon=165405.73&markerLat=6696538.558105468&markerLon=165149.4339192708&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Uvdalselve 

A picture of Rødberg; the flat area covered with buildings is were the fields of Bråflåt were: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Rødberg_Nore.jpg 

 

Borge, Nore: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=13&lat=6696244.90&lon=168479.56&markerLat=6696244.904947916&markerLon=168479.56000343958&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Øvre Borge 

 

Bekkeset, Nore: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=14&lat=6697006.97&lon=168731.67&markerLat=6697130.382148008&markerLon=168751.06515796977&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Nordre Bekkeset 

 

Nore Stave Church: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=15&lat=6684821.63&lon=167870.00&markerLat=6684821.6318292115&markerLon=167869.9954696099&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Nore stavkyrkje 

 

 

Sønstebø, Tessungdalen, Austbygde, Tinn: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=13&lat=6682131.48&lon=150558.45&markerLat=6682140.29751259&markerLon=150468.53907595077&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Sønstebø 

 

Lurås, Austbygde, Tinn: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=seeiendom&layers=1002,1015&zoom=12&lat=6674329.67&lon=155311.56&markerLat=6674329.674479167&markerLon=155311.55739927292&panel=searchOptionsPanel&showSelection=false&sok=Lurås 

 

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10 hours ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

Map liks

 

Hi Dag,

Thank you very much for the map links. It is great to see the actual physical relationship between these farms.  I note especially that they are all within about 25 Kilometers of each other, west of Norefjorden.  So, I could stay in one place and use that as a base to explore all of the locations where my ancestors lived.  Can you recommend a picturesque and historic place to stay?  The ancient church at Nore looks fabulous.  I see the Åstra Kyrkje currently standing at Tinn was built in the mid 1800s.  Does that mean that the original Åstra Kyrkje has been destroyed?

Vennlig hilsen,

Alvin

 

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12 hours ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

What I've told here, is mainly taken from those notes

 

Hi Dag,


I have collated all of the information from all of these posts to create a chronology of events relating to my earliest known direct male ancestors and their wives and homes.  Will you please check it to see if I have recorded everything correctly?  Will you please make any corrections and additions and replies to questions that you are able to make?  It looks like SJUR or SYVER  ___________  LOFTSGAARDEN or LOFTSGÃRDEN is my earliest direct male ancestor.  Once I have established that it will not be possible to trace an earlier direct male ancestor, then I will create a family tree of all of the male descendants.  I have obtained the most complete 'Y-700', Y Chromosome analysis possible, for my Y Chromosome, from Family Tree DNA, based in Texas.  I want to contact as many as possible of the living descendants of my earliest direct male ancestor, in order to share my information with them.

I copy/paste below, the chronology which I have completed today with the help of everyone who has posted here:

 

 

SJUR or SYVER  ___________  LOFTSGAARDEN or LOFTSGÅRDEN, born circa 1600, married an unknown woman, some time before 1621.  Did they ever own Loftsgården Farm, Åsbøgrenda, Nore Parish, or did they just live and work there?  Do birth and marriage records for Nore Parish go back that far?

 

BJØRN SJURSSON or SYVERSSON was born at Loftsgården Farm, Åsbøgrenda, Nore Parish, circa 1621 (he died in 1711, aged about 90).  Do birth records for Nore Parish go back as far as 1621?

 

BJØRN SJURSSON or SYVERSSON married ASLAUG ____________ (also born circa 1621), the marriage taking place, presumably, at some Church in Nore Parish, sometime between about 1640 and 1652.

 

At some point, after 1621, ASLAUG came to own Toen Farm, Nore Parish, Buskerud County. Was this by inheritance from her Father or from her Mother, if her Mother was by this time a Widow?  If so, does the original Will still exist or is there a central Probate record of this Will?  Or was ASLAUG a Widow herself, who then married BJØRN SJURSSON or SYVERSSON?

 

SIGUR or SIGURD BJØRNSON was born at ????? in 1652.  Some time after this, SIGUR’s brother, Halvor, was born.  Where was SIGUR born?  Was it Loftsgården Farm, Toen Farm or some other place?

 

By 1656/1657, according to the tax list, BJØRN SJURSSON or SYVERSSON, took over Toen Farm, Nore Parish, Buskerud County.  Did BJØRN’s parents retire in 1656, having reached the age of about 56 years, and sign Toen Farm over to him?

 

SIGUR BJØRNSON married TARAN KJETILSDOTTER, circa 1680 in Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark.

 

KITTIL SIGURDSON was born at Sønstebø Farm, Tinn, Telemark (or Toen Farm, Nore Parish, Buskerud County?) in 1698.  Halvor Sigurdson was born in 1701 in Sønstebø, Tinn, Telemark (or Toen Farm, Nore Parish, Buskerud County?) and died in 1786 in Bakhus, Tinn, Telemark, at age 85, and was buried on 23 July 1786 in Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark.

 

In 1710 or 1711, SIGUR or SIGURD BJØRNSON exchanged his Toen Farm, Nore Parish, Buskerud County for Sønstebø Farm, Tinn, Telemark.  [This information taken from ’Tinn Soga’ and local history books, by Dag Thorsdalen].

 

In 1711, SIGUR or SIGURD BJØRNSON’s parents, BJØRN SJURSSON or SYVERSSON and ASLAUG, both died, both aged about 90.

 

KITTIL SIGURDSON became engaged to marry KARI OLSDOTTER, daughter of OLE KNUDSON LURÅS and ASLAUG OLSDOTTER, at Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark, on 24 January 1722.

 

KITTIL SIGURDSON married KARI OLSDOTTER, daughter of OLE KNUDSON LURÅS and ASLAUG OLSDOTTER, at Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark, on 28 March 1722.

 

SIGUR or SIGURD BJØRNSON died at Sønstebø Farm, Tinn, Telemark, at age 70, and was buried on 9 August 1722 in Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark.  Who took over Sønstebø Farm when SIGUR or SIGURD BJØRNSON died?

 

Sigur Kjetilson Sønstebø, first son of KITTIL SIGURDSON and KARI OLSDOTTER, was born in 1723 in Lurås nordre, Tinn, Telemark, NOR, was christened on 1 January 1723 in Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark, and died in 1723 in Sønstebø Farm, Tinn, Telemark, and was buried on 5 September 1723 in Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark.

 

KNUD KJETILSON LURÅS, tenth child of KITTIL SIGURDSON and KARI OLSDOTTER, was born in 1743 in Lurås nordre, Tinn, Telemark, and died in 1806 in Lurås nordre, Tinn, Telemark, at age 63, and was buried on 15 May 1806 in Atrå kyrkje, Tinn, Telemark.

 

 

 

[The names Sigur, Sigurd, Sjur and Syver were considered as interchangeable names at that time. There are more than a dozen variations of this name. However, these are the most common. One reason is that this name was pronounced differently in Nore and in Tinn. Personally, I use Sjur as the preferred variation for persons living in Nore (and other parts of the region of Numedal) and Sigurd for those who lived in Tinn.

 In the same way, Kittil and Kjetil (and a few more variations) may be regarded as interchangeable names too.

This information provided by Dag Thorsdalen on 11 April 2019].

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12 timer siden, Al Möen skrev:

Thank you very much for the map links. It is great to see the actual physical relationship between these farms.  I note especially that they are all within about 25 Kilometers of each other, west of Norefjorden.  So, I could stay in one place and use that as a base to explore all of the locations where my ancestors lived.  Can you recommend a picturesque and historic place to stay?  The ancient church at Nore looks fabulous.  I see the Åstra Kyrkje currently standing at Tinn was built in the mid 1800s.  Does that mean that the original Åstra Kyrkje has been destroyed?

 

All the farms in Nore belonged to the same church. Thus, "everyone knew everyone", as we say in Norway. And most of them were related to each other in one way or another. From the mid 14th Century the population in Norway decreased dramatically and many farms became deserted. A tax list in 1560 mentions only 23 tax payers on 21 different farms. Of those farms mentioned here, only Skjønne and Borge are possible to identify with almost certainty. The other farms were probably owned and by those living on those farms mentioned in the list. If they did farm them themselves or had family members or tenants to do that is in most cases unknown. 

 

Both Bråflåt and Toen at this time belonged to a larger farm in the neighborhood. Bråflåt is mentioned first time in 1541 but the first time we know about someone actually living there, was in 1593. Toen was mentioned first time in 1570, and it lasts until 1645 before someone living there is mentioned in the sources. 

 

You have to take into account that the sources before to the 18th century are very sparse. The first available church record starts in 1708. Prior to that we find small pieces of information in a number of various sources. Thus, how much we know about each individual, is often random. Therefore, the answer to many of your queststions about exact information is: We really don't know, the available sources don't give us that type of details.

 

I will comment your text and questions in #20. Before I do so, I want to check out more about Loftsgarden, and that'll take me some weeks (there is a week-long holyday starting in Norway today). 

 

Yes, the old Atrå Church was destroyed after the new one was built, in 1836. It was of the same age and type as the old Nore Stave Church.

 

I don't know if you regard it as pictoresque or not, but what about staying on your ancestoral soil at the Rødberg Hotell?

https://www.visitnorway.com/listings/rødberg-hotell/10716/ 

 

You may find out more about what to see and do in the surroundings here: https://www.visitnorway.com/places-to-go/eastern-norway/numedal/?lang=usa 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Dag Thorsdalen said:

You have to take into account that the sources before to the 18th century are very sparse. The first available church record starts in 1708. Prior to that we find small pieces of information in a number of various sources. Thus, how much we know about each individual, is often random. Therefore, the answer to many of your queststions about exact information is: We really don't know, the available sources don't give us that type of details.

 

Hi Dag,

 

I'm going to miss your posts pending the end of the Easter break.

 

Especially due to the scarcity of 17th century records, your assistance in my family research has been absolutely superb.  You have taken my direct male ancestry back two further generations and at least fifty years further back and added some amazing new dimensions to my knowledge of my ancestors, which I would never have known without your help.

 

It may be possible to glean a bit of information about my ancestors' involvement with each farm, by finding out information of ownership, etcetera, immediately before and immediately after my ancestors' known periods of occupation or ownership.  For example, if there is a record of a different person owning one of the farms before a period of occupation by one of my ancestors, then at least I would know that my ancestor could not have owned the farm before that time.  So, too, with ownership by different people after the known period of occupation by my ancestors.  By looking at the before and after, at least the maximum range of the period at which my ancestor might have owned the farm can be established.

 

I'm disappointed that the original ancient Stave Church at Åtra was demolished in about 1836.  I would have loved to have stood in the Church where several of my ancestor's Christenings and weddings and funerals took place and sat on the same Church pews that they would have sat on.  However, I will be able to do so at the old Nore Stave Church to get some connection with my ancestors who attended that Church.  What religions were catered for in the Parishes in which my ancestors lived?  Were there different churches for different religions?  Can I draw inferences about the religion of my ancestors, based on the Churches that they used?

 

Vennlig hilsen,

 

Alvin

 

 

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The churches were Lutheran after the Reformation. Before that, they were Roman Catholic. They still are Lutheran Church of Norway.

For much of Scandinavia after the Reformation, people belonged to the church of the state they resided in, with the exception for foreigners and later also a few Jews. The latter groups usually did not reside in the countryside. This changed during the mid to late1800eds.

 

#20:

Be aware that inheritance laws vary between places and times! The present US ones are not applicable in Norway, and the old Norwegian inheritance laws are different from the present.

I think that it is unlikely that a widowed woman would have brought a owned family farm inherited by her late husband from his family into a new marriage (to be inherited by children from the second marriage or the new husband). If a widow owned a farm, it is likely that it came from her side of the family.

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