Durek David Verrett – norske aner på morssiden?

[Anne M. Berge]

Fremdeles en del uklart her ja. 

 

Denne Edward Brinn kan være rett mann død i NYC? Alder ikke helt samsvar. 

 

Edward Brinn

 in the New York, New York, Death Index, 1949-1965

 

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Name:	Edward Brinn
Age:	67
Birth Date:	abt 1891
Death Date:	7 Oct 1958
Death Place:	Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
Certificate Number:	21158

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Found another record (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WWK-SVS), for Alfred Hamilton Brinn, born 14 Dec 1900 to John Brinn (age 37, born US) and Emma Nathan (age 30, born West Indies).

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

And here is Edward Brinn in the 1900 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSKY-CNZ. Last name is mis-transcribed as Brinel, but if you look at the actual record (I'm sorry, I don't know how to post the image here), it is clearly Brinn. Edward born July (should be June) 1893; father John born May 1865 in North Carolina, mother Emma born November 1869 in D. [i.e., Danish] West Indies (and both of her parents born there, too). She came to U.S. in 1882, married John in 1890, has had 6 children, of whom only 3 are still living.

[Anne M. Berge]

Dette ser veldig korrekt ut, så da er det altså bare Edward Brinns mor som er født i Vestindia. 

 

Jeg lurer da på om denne Emma og John, foreldre til Alfred Hamilton er rett familie. 

 

Emma Louisa Brinn

 in the New York, Episcopal Diocese of New York Church Records, 1767-1970

 

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Name:	Emma Louisa Brinn
Gender:	Female
Church Name:	City Mission Society
Spouse:	John Isaah Brinn
Child:	Alfred Hamilton Brinn

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

So there is an 1880 census for Fredriksted in the Danish West Indies at https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/other/index-creator/98/347781/17318995. But it is 1000 pages long. Has it been transcribed anywhere, or will one have to manually search for Emma Nathan there?

[Anita Holck]

Household for: Nr. 51 , Frederiksted Kings Street, Kings Street, Elizabeth Heaky , 1880
Name:	Sex:	Occupation:	Age:
Isaac Nathan	M		40
Lucyan Nathan	F		32
Emma Nathan	F		13

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

5 minutes ago, Anne M. Berge said:

Jeg lurer da på om denne Emma og John, foreldre til Alfred Hamilton er rett familie. 

 

This would give middle names: John Isaah (either Isaiah or Isaak) Brinn and Emma Louisa Nathan.

 

Emma L. Brinn, born abt. 1869, died 18 Mar 1902 in New York City: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=9131&h=1544486&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ZbA7&_phstart=successSource

[Åsbjørg Susort]

7 minutter siden, Anne M. Berge skrev:

Dette ser veldig korrekt ut, så da er det altså bare Edward Brinns mor som er født i Vestindia. 

 

Jeg lurer da på om denne Emma og John, foreldre til Alfred Hamilton er rett familie. 

 

Emma Louisa Brinn

 in the New York, Episcopal Diocese of New York Church Records, 1767-1970

 

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Name:	Emma Louisa Brinn
Gender:	Female
Church Name:	City Mission Society
Spouse:	John Isaah Brinn
Child:	Alfred Hamilton Brinn

 

Lurte på L. her. Grunnen til at Edward var på barnehjem 1905?

Emma L Brinn in the New York, New York, Extracted Death Index, 1862-1948

Name:	Emma L Brinn
Age:	33
Birth Year:	abt 1869
Death Date:	18 Mar 1902
Death Place:	Manhattan, New York, USA
Certificate Number:	8784

[Anita Holck]

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_stcroix.asp

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

So now we have demonstrated that the Fredrikstad connection is in fact with Fredriksted in the Danish West Indies, where Durek's mother's father's father's mother was born.

[Elin Galtung Lihaug]

# 156 Anita Holck skrev:

 

Household for:
Nr. 51 , Frederiksted Kings Street, Kings Street, Elizabeth Heaky , 1880

 

Nam:                Sex Age 

Isaac Nathan     M   40

Lucyan Nathan  F    32

Emma Nathan   F    13

 

Her er den håndskrevne versjonen:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17318995#216121,40874037

Endret Mai 24, 2019 av Elin Galtung Lihaug

[Anne M. Berge]

17 minutter siden, Elin Galtung Lihaug skrev:

# 156 Anita Holck skrev:

 

Household for:
Nr. 51 , Frederiksted Kings Street, Kings Street, Elizabeth Heaky , 1880

 

Nam:                Sex Age 

Isaac Nathan     M   40

Lucyan Nathan  F    32

Emma Nathan   F    13

 

Her er den håndskrevne versjonen:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17318995#216121,40874037

 

Er det litt merkelig at far, mor og datter tilhører tre (!) forskjellige kirker? 

Far er Lutheran, mor Roman Catholic og Emma Episcopal. Kan det fortelle oss mer? 

[Anne M. Berge]

1870 - fra Ancestry, men fins vel original i det danske arkivet også

 

 

Name:Isaac Nathan

Birth Date:abt 1840

Gender:Male

Age:30Marital status:unmarried (Single)

Household number:6

Cenus Year:1870

Religion:Lutheran/Danish

Occupation:Fisher

Birthplace:St. Croix

Location:Frederiksted

Address:Queen St. 57

Property Owner:Hill, A. C. Mrs.

Document Date:1870, October

Document Reference:Rigsarkivet, St. Croix Census 1870

Household Members:

Name	Age
Isaac Nathan	30
Henry Nathan	7
Emma Nathan	3
Clara Nathan

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[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

21 minutes ago, Anne M. Berge said:

Far er Lutheran, mor Roman Catholic og Emma Episcopal. Kan det fortelle oss mer? 

 

At least Emma remained consistent - she was still Episcopalian in 1901 (see inlegg # 158).

[Anne M. Berge]

2 timer siden, Anne M. Berge skrev:

1870 - fra Ancestry, men fins vel original i det danske arkivet også

 

 

Name:Isaac Nathan

Birth Date:abt 1840

Gender:Male

Age:30Marital status:unmarried (Single)

Household number:6

Cenus Year:1870

Religion:Lutheran/Danish

Occupation:Fisher

Birthplace:St. Croix

Location:Frederiksted

Address:Queen St. 57

Property Owner:Hill, A. C. Mrs.

Document Date:1870, October

Document Reference:Rigsarkivet, St. Croix Census 1870

Household Members:

Name	Age
Isaac Nathan	30
Henry Nathan	7
Emma Nathan	3
Clara Nathan

 

Transkribert versjon fra dansk demografisk database http://www.ddd.dda.dk/asp/vi_husstand.asp

 

Her fins altså en Philicia Neggie (?) som da er mor til Emma - ikke Lucyen som Isaac senere er gift med. Vedlagt klipp fra originalfil, dårlig kvalitet på scan, så ikke lett å lese. 

Household for:  57, Frederiksted Queens Street, Queens Street, W. A. C. Hill , 1870
Name:	Sex:	Occupation:	Age:
Philhicia Neggie	F	House keeper	29
Isaac Nathan	M	??	30
Henry Nathan	M	Their son	7
Ginie Nathan	F	Their daughter	3
Clara Nathan	F	Their daughter	4 month

[Åsbjørg Susort]

Ancestry har kobla henne på forrige familie. Tror det skal være Meggie...

Name:	Philhicia Magee [Philhicia Meggie]
Birth Date:	abt 1841
Household Relation:	housekeeper
Gender:	Female
Age:	29
Marital status:	unmarried (Single)
Household number:	6
Cenus Year:	1870
Religion:	Anglican/Episcopalian/English Church/Protestant
Occupation:	housekeeper
Birthplace:	St. Croix
Location:	Frederiksted
Address:	Queen St. 57
Property Owner:	Hill, A. C. Mrs.
Document Date:	1870, October
Document Reference:	Rigsarkivet, St. Croix Census 1870
Household Members:	Name Age Jane Crosby 50 George Henry 15 Philhicia Magee 29

 

[Elin Galtung Lihaug]

1 time siden, Anne M. Berge skrev:

Household for: 
57, Frederiksted Queens Street, Queens Street, W. A. C. Hill , 1870

Name:  Sex:  Occupation:  Age:

Philhicia Neggie F House keeper 29

Isaac Nathan M ?? 30

Henry Nathan M Their son 7

Ginie Nathan F Their daughter 3

Clara Nathan F Their daughter 4 month

 

Jeg mener det står 'Fisherman' helt til høyre for Isaac Nathan

 

Videre tyder jeg (under religion) 'Lutheran' for Isaac og 'Protestant' for de fire andre i husholdningen

[Anita Holck]

Household for: Nr. 56 , Frederiksted Queens Street, Queens Street, Jane E. Caldrone , 1855
Name:	Sex:	Occupation:	Age:
Ann Doninic	F		50
Rasmus Millar	M		16
Isaac Nathan	M		15
Richard Crilse	M		21   Household for: 56 , Frederiksted Queens Street, , Jane Calderon , 1857 Name:  Sex:  Occupation:  Age:  Ann ??D.... F Seamstress 42 Erasmus Miller M Her son,fisherman 24 Isaac ??. Natan M Her son,fisherman 20   Household for: Nr. 56 , Frederiksted Queens Street, Queens Street, Jane Caldron , 1860 Name:  Sex:  Occupation:  Age:  Ann Dominic F   60 Jorre Nathan M   23 Erasmus Miller M   28

[Anita Holck]

Household for: 56, Frederiksted Queens Street, Queens Street, Jane Calerone , 1870
Name:	Sex:	Occupation:	Age:
Ann Domonic	F	Invalid	80

[Anita Holck]

Household for: 57, Frederiksted Queens Street, Queens Street, W. A. C. Hill , 1870
Name:	Sex:	Occupation:	Age:
Philhicia Neggie	F	House keeper	29
Isaac Nathan	M	??	30
Henry Nathan	M	Their son	7
Ginie Nathan	F	Their daughter	3
Clara Nathan	F	Their daughter	4 month

 

Household for: La G V??ecp, Kompagniets Kvarter (Company Quarter) Nr. 36, , G. H. Hagerman, 1880
Name:	Sex:	Occupation:	Age:
Henry Nathaniel	M		21

 

Household for: Nr. 51 , Frederiksted Kings Street, Kings Street, Elizabeth Heaky , 1880
Name:	Sex:	Occupation:	Age:
Isaac Nathan	M		40
Lucyan Nathan	F		32
Emma Nathan	F		13

 

Household for: , Frederiksted Strand Street, Strandgade (Strand Street), Isaac Nathan, 1901 Name:  Sex:  Occupation:  Age:  Isaac Nathan M stindore?? 50 Sucy Nathan F   41 Louis Zacharous M clerk 14 Malvina Van Brakle F dressmaker 27 Lucinda Van Brakle F clerk 14 Laurence Howell M fisherman 50 Cathrine Howell F   45 Lucy Howell F simstress 29 Hasiah Howell M clerk 19 Kate Isabella Levy F   1 Daniel Wallance M blacksmith 28 Elizabeth Roberts F cook 24 Alfred Wallece M school attendance 13 Edwin Wallace M school attendance 9 Clara Bell Nathan F clerk 29 Sevirina Ferdinand F   15 Elma Plasket F ve??dor 17 Benjamin Christian M storeman 18 Anna Jeppé F cook 44

[Elin Galtung Lihaug]

Som en avslutning kan det kanskje være hensiktsmessig å sette opp en oversikt over det vi er kommet frem til i denne tråden.

 

Forkortelser brukes for: farfar (ff), farmor (fm), morfar (mf), mormor (mm) og dessuten for statene i USA (f.eks. CA = California, LA = Louisiana, NC = North Carolina).

Henvisning til innlegg nr. (#) i denne debatten tas med for hver person.

 

1 Derek/Durek David Verrett (1974 Sacramento, CA – ) #1, 19, 20

 

foreldre

2 far – David Benjamin Verrett (1929 New Orleans, LA – 2017 CA) #1, 19, 22, 60, 85

3 mor – Sheilah G Farmer/Veruschka Urquhart (1943 New York, NY – ) #1, 19, 22, 29, 32, 33, 34, 50, 90, 98

 

besteforeldre

4 ff – Leon Solomon Verrett (1908 New Orleans, LA – 1988 Sacramento, CA) #60, 64, 65, 66, 71, 85

5 fm – Elvira Augustine Harris (1906 New Orleans, LA – 2001 Sacramento, CA) #60, 64, 66, 85

6 mf – Edward Brinn Urquhart (1916 New York, NY – 1995 New York, NY) #98, 99,

7 mm – Vera (Overton) Boston Tyson (Farmer) (1918 PA – 1988 New York, NY) #35, 98, 106, 135, 144

 

oldeforeldre

8 ff f – Joseph Verrett (1887 LA – 1953 Ventura, CA) #64, 65, 66, 71, 76, 82, 85

9 ff m – Mary Lee (ca. 1888 LA – d.) #60, 64, 65, 66, 71, 82, 85

10 fm f – Walter Harris (1880 LA – ca. 1895) #60, 64, 66, 70, 85

11 fm m – Rita A. Joseph (1883 New Orleans, LA – d.) #64, 66, 70, 85, 97, 136

12 mf f – Edward Brinn (1893 New York, NY – d.) #98, 99, 103, 145, 146, 151?, 153

13 mf m – Lilli Karense Gulovna Arnesen (Olsen, LaMountain) (1895 Sagene, Kristiania – 1969 Bloomington, IN) #98, 99, 104, 108, 109, 111, 112, 116, 118, 129, 130, 132, 142

14 mm f – Edorn N. Boston (1890 NC – 1964 NC) #98

15 mm m – Susie Kay Tyson (1892 VA – 1966 NJ) #98

 

tippoldeforeldre

22 fm mf – Alphonse Joseph (f. – 1895) #97, 136

23 fm mm – Eugénie Morel (1862 New Orleans, LA – d.) #85, 86, 97, 136

24 mf ff – John Isaac Brinn (ca. 1865 NC – d.) #146, 148, 149, 153, 154, 157

25 mf fm – Emma Louisa Nathan (ca. 1869 Frederiksted, St. Croix, Dansk Vestindia – 1902 New York, NY) #103, 146, 148, 149, 153, 154, 156, 157, 158, 161, 163, 165, 170

26 mf mf – Karl Antonius Arnesen (1871 Kristiania – d.) #108, 112, 113, 119, 133

27 mf mm – Josefine Karense Andreasdatter (Arnesen Olsen) (1872 Ramnes, Vestfold – 1934 New York, NY) #104, 108, 109, 111, 112, 113, 114, 123, 131, 132, 139, 142

 

tipptippoldeforeldre

46 fm mm f – Paul E. Morel (1839 New Orleans, LA – 1915 LA) #85, 86, 87, 97, 136 (med forfedre fra Haiti)

50 mf fm f – Isaac Nathan (ca. 1840 St. Croix, Dansk Vestindia – d.) #156, 162, 163, 168, 169, 170

51 mf fm m – Philhicia Magee (ca. 1841 St. Croix, Dansk Vestindia – d.) #165, 166, 170

52 mf mf f – Ole Andreas Arnesen (1848 Nes, Akershus – d.) #119,  133, 134

53 mf mf m – Kristine Andersdotter (1849 Köla, Värmland, Sverige – d.) #133

54 mf mm f – Andreas Martinus Samuelsen Hellen (1834 Sør-Aurdal, Oppland – 1900 Ramnes, Vestfold ) # 114, 121, 122, 123, 128

55 mf mm m – Kristine Martine Johansdatter (1848 Lardal, Vestfold – d.) # 114, 120, 123, 131, 143

 

Takk til alle som har bidratt!

En spesiell takk rettes til Anne M. Berge som har funnet svært mange av opplysningene og satt dem sammen riktig med gode begrunnelser!

Endret Mai 26, 2019 av Elin Galtung Lihaug
Fjernet nr. 47 - feil

[Åsbjørg Susort]

12 minutter siden, Elin Galtung Lihaug skrev:

47 fm mm m – Josephine Berrier (ca. 1848 – 1911) #136

I #136 har eg konkludert med at det er feil familie...

Trenger ny/bedre dokumentasjon.

Endret Mai 26, 2019 av Åsbjørg Susort

[Elin Galtung Lihaug]

3 minutter siden, Åsbjørg Susort skrev:

I #136 har eg konkludert med at det er feil familie...

 

Takk, Åsbjørg - jeg har fjernet nr. 47 fra listen

[Harald L. Bakke]

https://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/norge/2019/05/29/195581583/dureks-tipp-tipp-tippoldefar-var-omstreifer-og-livstidsfange

[Johnsen Anita]

Har noen funnet forfedre fra Jomfruøyene(Virgin Islands),St.Croix.

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