Please Help Find Grandchild Living with Grandparents in 1801 Census

[Tyler Burrows]

Hello,

 

I came on this forum a couple years ago for help and the response was incredible. You all solved a mystery that has helped me find hundreds more ancestors! Thank you! I have another puzzle...

 

In the 1801 census there is living with my g-g-g-g-grandparents one of their grandchildren, Anne Johannesdatter, 4 years old:

This is the 1801 census: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058216004846

This is the familySearch profile for Anne: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G9GD-NS1

 

I am trying to find her birth parents. The most likely candidate is Johannes Jansen, https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LQTX-265. He would have been about 15/16 when Anne was born, which is old enough to have a child (pushing the boundary) but would explain why Anne is living with the grandparents and not the parents.

 

However, I cannot find Anne's birth record, nor anything else linking her to her birth parents.

 

- Are there available adoption records to look at? Would the grandparents have legally adopted Anne (i.e. was that common practice at the time?)

- One thought was to try to find Anne getting married later to see if parents are listed, but no such luck. One potential candidate is here in the 1865 census, but I cannot confirm: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038027052675

 

Any help you can provide and/or leads would be greatly appreciated!

 

Thank you kindly,

 

Tyler

[Per.H.Skaug]

Tyler.

 

there is an Anne Maria Jonsdaftter baptised 17 July 1796 in Vestre Aker as daughter of Jon Jansen and Kristen Knudsdatter on FS.   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VWLC-VQP?treeref=G9GD-NS1

 

I have not yet reviewed the actual baptismal record to see if there is any further inforamtion there, but the names indicate that this could be an interesting candidate.

Endret August 26, 2019 av Per H Skaug

[Per.H.Skaug]

Here is the actual baptismal record of Anne Maria, born out of wedlock from Madam Kirsten Knudsdatter Bestum(?) and Jon Jansen https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7683/38858/103

 

The fact that the mother was designated Madam may mean that she was married, although others may have more useful input on this. Obviously, there are no guarantees that this is the correct Anne Jonsdatter, and Jon Jansen may - or may not - be the same person as Johannes Jansen.

 

 

Endret August 26, 2019 av Per H Skaug

[Per.H.Skaug]

Tyler,

 

this suggestion does not work, here is Anne Maria and her mother in the Census in 1801.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058216001512

[Tyler Burrows]

Per,

 

Thank you so much for finding and pursuing a lead! It is too bad that didn't work, but it does narrow down the possibilities!

[Wenche Hervig]

På 26.8.2019 den 2.12, Per H Skaug skrev:

Here is the actual baptismal record of Anne Maria, born out of wedlock from Madam Kirsten Knudsdatter Bestum(?) and Jon Jansen https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7683/38858/103

 

The fact that the mother was designated Madam may mean that she was married, although others may have more useful input on this. Obviously, there are no guarantees that this is the correct Anne Jonsdatter, and Jon Jansen may - or may not - be the same person as Johannes Jansen.

 

 

The record reads moderen, i.e. the mother. She lives at Bestumeie, i.e. a cotters holding under the farm Bestum. She states that the father is Jon Jansen, tienestedr. hos Auctions Directeur Biergaas, servant with a director of auctions named (probably) Biergaas. The information in the census 1801 is then not in conflict with the baptismal record. I would say it’s the right person Per found. 

[Per.H.Skaug]

Tyler,

 

it may be easier to get responses if your title is a bit more meaningful. You are potentially missing out input from others due to a realtively non-descript headline. Asking for information on something like Anne Johannesdatter, 4 years old in the 1801 Census from Aker/Oslo may give more useful feedback. As far as I understand, you can change the headline within 24 hours, afterwards you probably need assistance from the moderators (I don't know how that would be done, but I am sure somebody wiill eventaully let you know).

 

Wenche,

 

Thx for doing a better job at deciphering the church book than I did.

 

I think the "problem" is that Tyler's Anne Johannesdatter is found with her grandparents in the census in 1801, whereas the Anne Marie Jonsdatter I found was listed with her mother in the 1801 census. So while I am confident that the Anne Marie from the baptismal record is identical to the Anne Marie in #4, I dont think this is the same as the gilr in #1. (Although I have seen earlier that people have been counted at 2 different places in a census).