Finding Sailors

[Ann-Mary Engum]

9 minutter siden, Glen Johnson skrev:

Ann-Mary, in the marriage record above for Johan and Anne Marie, where does it say that Anne Marie was born?  Krogstad??  Thanks.

 

Krogstad(Kråkstad)

[Glen Johnson]

Great!  That is Christian Larsen's and Gunnild Erichdatter's daughter....and my great grandmother.  I wish I could find a record showing where Christian and Gunnild were each born....I'll keep digging. Thank you so much.

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Census 1865

 

002 Anne M. Christiansdatter 

H.no.:

01

Age/born:

29

Place of birth:

Kraakstad Prgj.

Residential status:

-

Family position:

hans Kone

Marital status:

g

Occupation:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038006003016

 

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Census 1875

 

002 Anne Marie Kristiansdatter 

H.no.:

01

Age/born:

1839

Place of birth:

Krogstad S. P.

Residential status:

-

Family position:

Kone

Marital status:

g

Occupation:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052034001712

 

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Census 1891

 

002 Anne Kristiansdtr 

H.no.:

000

Age/born:

1836

Place of birth:

Krogstad

Residential status:

-

Family position:

Hustru

Marital status:

g

Occupation:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052699002685

 

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Census 1900

 

002 Anne Marie Adde 

H.no.:

01

Age/born:

1836

Place of birth:

Vaaler, Smaalenene

Residential status:

b

Family position:

Hm

Marital status:

g

Occupation:

Hustru

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037023002848

 

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Census 1910

 

008 Anne M. Adde 

H.nr:

01

Alder/født:

1836-10-16

Fødested:

Kraakstad

Bostatus:

b

Familiestilling:

fl

Sivilstand:

e

Yrke:

Enke uten indtægt, Bedstemor

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036476003313

 

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She was born 16 nov 1835,not 16-10-1836.

Anne Maria Christensen

Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:	Anne Maria Christensen
Gender:	Female
Birth Date:	16 Nov 1835
Christening Date:	25 Dec 1835
Christening Place:	, KRAAKSTAD, AKERSHUS, NORWAY
Father's Name:	Christian Larsen
Mother's Name:	Gunnild Erichsdr

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4H4-M4L

 

No 4

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7559/85

 

 

Endret Januar 18, 2020 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Glen Johnson]

Yes, that is the trail of her life that I have.  And then she dies here in Tofte : https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1177/7573/62

 

Thanks!!  

[Richard Johan Natvig]

7 timer siden, Glen Johnson skrev:

Their marriage record is https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7527/209 which also shows "Folkestad".....I assume this is where they both lived at that time, not where they were born...

I agree. In the marriage record Gunild is said to be Tienestepige (servant girl). She isn’t necessarily from Våler. I found one Gunild  Erichsdatter Damnes T p (Tienestepige) in-migrating in 1928, from Vestbye (in Akershus)

SAO, Våler prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. I 5, 1815-1839, s. 628-629
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061025020629
also 

SAO, Våler prestekontor Kirkebøker, G/Ga/L0001: Klokkerbok nr. I 1, 1815-1839, s. 628-629
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061025030209
 

Her age is stated to be 27, when marrying Gunild’s age is said to be 26, but ages are more often than not inexact in these sources.

 

[Glen Johnson]

Thanks Richard.  I often forget to look in the "In- and - out - migration" records of the parishes. I'll see if she was born in Vestby.  I've tracked a few Christian Larsen's from the general area born in 1791 and all 4 have ended up marrying other people than Gunnild.  I'm currently tracking a Christan Larsen born in Askim right now and we'll see where that leads!!!

[Glen Johnson]

Richard, that was a good try, but no Gunnild's born in Vestby to a father named Erich/Erik for a 10 year period surrounding those dates.... so maybe she in-migrated to Vestby from somewhere else first before leaving there to go to Valer......I'll keep digging.

 

[Glen Johnson]

In 1800, if a child was born to parents before they were married, what last name would the child take?  If parents were Maria Christiansdatter and Lars Eriksen, what last name would the child most likely have?  Thanks for your insights.

[Sven Hjortland]

2 minutter siden, Glen Johnson skrev:

If parents were Maria Christiansdatter and Lars Eriksen, what last name would the child most likely have?

Larsen or Larsdatter

[Glen Johnson]

Thanks. So even if they are not married, they follow the standard naming convention?

 

Do you know why some Census (eg. 1801) would use the LAST NAME of the father as the last name for all the children??  

 

Thank you

[Glen Johnson]

On 1/18/2020 at 5:08 PM, Richard Johan Natvig said:

I agree. In the marriage record Gunild is said to be Tienestepige (servant girl). She isn’t necessarily from Våler. I found one Gunild  Erichsdatter Damnes T p (Tienestepige) in-migrating in 1928, from Vestbye (in Akershus)

SAO, Våler prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. I 5, 1815-1839, s. 628-629
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061025020629
also 

SAO, Våler prestekontor Kirkebøker, G/Ga/L0001: Klokkerbok nr. I 1, 1815-1839, s. 628-629
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061025030209
 

Her age is stated to be 27, when marrying Gunild’s age is said to be 26, but ages are more often than not inexact in these sources.

 

 

Richard / others, I found this Gunnild migrating to Sande in 1823. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1264/8249/7   This Gunnild marries Ole Tolleson I believe.

 

She is Person #1 in the year 1823. Are you able to help me with the translation of where she migrated FROM?  And the Notes column? 

 

Thanks.

[Richard Johan Natvig]

She came from "Springvover i Skouge Sogn" (Skouge= Skoger)

Note: "Attest fra Pastor Lund af 22 Novembr. 1822" 

[Ann-Mary Engum]

1 time siden, Richard Johan Natvig skrev:

She came from "Springvover i Skouge Sogn" (Skouge= Skoger)

Note: "Attest fra Pastor Lund af 22 Novembr. 1822" 

 

Kanskje Springover? 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/properties?s=&from=&to=&municipality_parish=&address=Spring*&municipality_no=&plot_no=&unit_no=&property_no=&serial_no=&urban_property_no=&fire_ass_no=&m[]=0712

[Richard Johan Natvig]

2 minutter siden, Ann-Mary Engum skrev:

Kanskje Springover? 

 

 

yes, that is what I meant to write, sorry!

[Glen Johnson]

As I continue to try to find Gunnild Erichsdatter, I came across this death record in Rygge: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/416/2646/5

 

Can you please tell me what the word above Gunhild (Person #30) is and means?  Thanks so much.

[Richard Johan Natvig]

2 minutter siden, Glen Johnson skrev:

the word above Gunhild (Person #30) is and means

"Konen" i.e. the married woman ("the wife")

[Glen Johnson]

Thanks for your help.  Turns out this is NOT my 3rd great-grandmother.....back to square one!!

[Glen Johnson]

New question!  In this record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7481/37968/12  I'm looking at the 4th person born in 1765 - Thore - what is new to me is that her parents Christian and Kari don't seem to have last names!!   What is your advice on figuring out their last names?  is there any indication in the text that is there?  Thore marries Lars Mathisen in 1787 (first entry at top of page https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7481/37971/15) and they have a son Christian Larsen (b. 1791) who I believe is my 3rd great-grandfather. Thanks.

[Richard Johan Natvig]

8 timer siden, Glen Johnson skrev:

New question!  In this record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7481/37968/12  I'm looking at the 4th person born in 1765 - Thore - what is new to me is that her parents Christian and Kari don't seem to have last names!!   What is your advice on figuring out their last names?  is there any indication in the text that is there?  Thore marries Lars Mathisen in 1787 (first entry at top of page https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/7481/37971/15) and they have a son Christian Larsen (b. 1791) who I believe is my 3rd great-grandfather. Thanks.

Not a quick solution and maybe not the best, but I would go back and forth in the churchbook, to see if the same couple appears again as parents of a child, and perhaps, now with their patronyms. You could also try to find Thore as confirmed, ca 15 years+ after her birth, to see if their patronyms are included (but more realistically, she will just be listed as Thore Christiansdatter). 

 

A piece of advice: start a new topic for whatever new turn your search takes. With the topic heading "Finding sailors", you may miss out on useful advice from members here who know your area(s) and the period, and who perhaps ignore your thread because of the heading.

 

Best,

Richard

[Richard Johan Natvig]

2 timer siden, Richard Johan Natvig skrev:

Not a quick solution and maybe not the best

....

or in this case, if you had access to Askim Bygdebok (Østensvig, Martha: ''Gårdshistorie''. Utg. Askim kommune. Askim. 1965), snip-snip:

the following link will probably not work for you: https://www.nb.no/items/122e0e1df156c4331afedc6fdc04507d?page=615

 

If this is the correct family, Thorer’s father's name: Christian Torkildsen Tygerud from Eidsberg, her mother’s name: Karen (and Kari are variants) Steenersdatter.