Johannes Jorgenson alias John Joranger (1827-1891) - frå Hafslo til Buksnes og vidare til Amerika - ei kjempeutfordring!

[Lars E. Øyane]

Denne huslyden har være vore drøfta i dette emnet: https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/221474-johannes-jørgenson-1827-og-brorborni-peder-pederson-1851-britha-pedersdotter-1856-og-bertha-pedersdotter-1861-frå-joranger-i-hafslo-til-amerika-men-kvar-vart-det-av-johannes-peder-og-bertha/?tab=comments#comment-1871980

 

Men etter at Ivar Moe no er komen med ei banebrytande oppdaging i Amerika, tek eg huslyden opp att som nytt tema, for no har eg verkeleg fått «blod på tann»!  Kanskje det no let seg gjera komma lite vetta vidare med denne huslyden??

 

Først innlegget til Ivar:

 

The Milwaukee Journal - 2. mar 1891

 

 

Denne John «JURAUGER» MÅ vera identisk medd familiefaren i denne huslyden.  Johannes Jørgenson frå Joranger i Hafslo farma i Wheaton township, Chippewa Co., WI rett nord for Eau Claire, WI, men farmen vart p.g.a. skatteskuld tvangsseld kring 1890, og eg trur heile huslyden då flytte inn til Eau Claire, WI.  Men det har so langt vore heilt umogeleg å finna ut kvar det vart av dei, bortsett ifrå dei to sønene John (Jr) og Carl som dukka opp som saueklypparar i Washington tidleg på 1900-talet.  Når me no får veta at John (Sr) ogso nytta namnet Joranger (i tillegg til Jorgensen), kan det kanskje finnast fleire opplysningar i ymse kjelder, til dømes avisoppslag??

 

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Johannes Jørgenson {Joranger}, f. {i Hafslo} 5.8.1827,

Johannes Jørgenson flytte i 1855 til Buksnes i Nordland, men utvandra derifrå til Amerika i 1860.  Under namnet John Jorgenson finn me han att då han 29.5.1876 gifte seg i Dunn Co., Wis. med Caroline Jensdotter frå Utrapet i Målselv, i Amerika kjend som Caroline Nelson.  Ho var dotter av gardbrukar Jens Nilsson på Utrapet og kona Hanna Carstensdotter frå Sørstraumen i Sørreisa og f. i Målselv 11.4.1852.  Ho utvandra til Amerika med foreldri sine

 

 

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John og Caroline slo seg ned som farmarar i Wheaton township, Chippewa Co., Wis. der

 

 

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Dei fekk fem born i lag:

 

 

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a. Betsy Marie Jorgenson, f. i Chippewa Co., Wis.

 

 

     ##### (exact date of her birth? – 1877? – listed 1880 – confirmed 1893! – destiny?)

 

 

b. Johan Peder, kjend som John J. Jorgenson, f. i Chippewa Co., Wis. 20.10.1878, d. i Seattle, Wash. 28.11.1966.  John gifte seg i Moxee, Yakima Co., Wash. 2.4.1913 med Anna M.

 

 

     ##### (middle name? – children Alfred 1915 and Margaret L. 1926 – 1940 Seattle, WA census shows Alfred (cement finisher) married to Helen (1920) with son Alfred S (1939) and sister Margaret – Margaret born

            Seattle, WA Aug. 17, 1925 - died as Margaret A Whitsett in Seattle, WA Dec. 8, 2003 – Alfred Jorgenson, born June 17, 1914, died Seattle, WA July 2, 1948 – leaving wife Helen Agnes nee Doucett (born Everett,

            WA Sep. 11, 1919) and three children!)

 

 

     Schmitz, f. i Yakima Co., Wash. 19.1.1895.  Ho d. i Seattle, Wash. 28.1.1937.  John var saueskjerar («sheep shearer»), og han og Anna budde levetidi ut i Seattle, King Co., Wash.  Dei fekk to born i lag.

 

 

     ##### (1913: «of Lewiston, ID»)

 

 

c. Carl Jorgenson, f. i Chippewa Co., Wis. 25.6.1880,

 

 

     ##### (dåpen hans i Our Saviors Lutheran i Eau Claire, WI. syner fødselsdato 25.5.1882, men dette trur eg er ei feilskriving(?) – WW1 draft syner 25.6.1880! – funeral card says «lived in WA 50 years»)

 

 

     d. i Seattle, Wash. 18.11.1962.  Carl var òg saueskjerar («sheep shearer») og budde i mange år hjå broren John i Seattle, King Co., Wash., ugift.

d. Nils H.

 

 

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     Jorgenson, f. i Chippewa Co., Wis. 27.12.1882,

 

 

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e. Christine Jorgenson, f. i Chippewa Co., Wis. 4.9.1884,

 

 

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Om det let seg gjera grava fram fleire detaljar om denne huslyden, ville eg verta svært glad, og eg takkar so mykje på førehand for alle gode tips!

 

PS: Eg har vore i kontakt med etterkomarar etter John Jr. i Washington, men ingen veit å fortelja noko meir om ætti!

Endret Januar 17, 2020 av Lars E. Øyane

[Grethe Flood]

15 timer siden, Lars E. Øyane skrev:

Caroline Jensdotter frå Utrapet i Målselv, i Amerika kjend som Caroline Nelson.  Ho var dotter av gardbrukar Jens Nilsson på Utrapet og kona Hanna Carstensdotter frå Sørstraumen i Sørreisa og f. i Målselv 11.4.1852. 

 

???? Ole Christian, 1846: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000001408425 - Hanna Karstensdatters sønn med Bersvend Olsen: 

 

Jeg tar for ordens skyld med meg søsknene til Caroline:

Jens, 1850: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000001412975

Christian, 1854: https://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste.aspx?kb=d&RR=93442

Jens, 1855: https://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste.aspx?kb=d&RR=93551

Marthe, 1857: https://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste.aspx?kb=d&RR=93704

Oleanne Kristine, 1859: https://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste.aspx?kb=d&RR=93857

Anne Maria, 1862: https://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste.aspx?kb=d&RR=94025

 

Det siste barnet ser dermed ut til å være født i 1862. Jens og Hanna giftet seg i Lenvik 06.10.1850. Brudgommen var 30 år gammel, født i Sverige og sønn av Nils Jensen. Bruden var 21 år gammel, født i Reisen og datter av Karsten Olsen:

https://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste.aspx?kb=v&RR=20751

 

????

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTM6-XDS

Name: Mina Toline Nilsen
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Jul 1870
Christening Place: BIG ELK CREEK NORSK LUTHERSKE,WHEATON TWP,CHIPPEWA,WISCONSIN
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1870
Father's Name: Jens Nilsen
Mother's Name: Hannah Kassesdatter

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTM6-XD7

Name: Berthilde Lovise Nilson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Nov 1872
Christening Place: BIG ELK CREEK NORSK LUTHERSKE,WHEATON TWP,CHIPPEWA,WISCONSIN
Birth Date: 01 Sep 1872
Father's Name: Jens Nilson
Mother's Name: Hanna Nilson
 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4X-BPG

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YB6-SHL8?cc=1417683&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMN4X-BPG

Name: Jens Nelson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1880
Event Place: Elk Mound, Dunn, Wisconsin, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 62
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Occupation: Farmer
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Self
Birth Year (Estimated): 1818
Birthplace: Norway
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Sheet Letter: B
Sheet Number: 201
Person Number: 0
Volume: 1
 

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Jens Nelson	Self	M	62	Norway
Hannah Nelson	Wife	F	50	Norway
Maria Nelson	Daughter	F	18	Norway
Gurina Nelson	Daughter	F	12	Wisconsin, United States
Mina Nelson	Daughter	F	10	Wisconsin, United States
Louisa Nelson	Daughter	F	8	Wisconsin, United States

 

Iflg. f.t. 1880 er datteren Gurina er født i 1868:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4X-BPR

Datteren Maria er født 1862 og det er vel da datteren Anne Maria:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4X-BP5

 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XR5C-CJJ

Name: John O. Melby
Spouse's Name: Anna Marie Nilsen
Event Date: 20 Feb 1886
Event Place: Eau Claire, Wisconsin, United States
Father's Name: Christian Hansen Melby
Mother's Name: Inger Maria Melby
Spouse's Father's Name: Jens Nilsen
Spouse's Mother's Name: Hannah Nilsen

 

Endret Januar 18, 2020 av Grethe Flood

[Grethe Flood]

15 timer siden, Lars E. Øyane skrev:

e. Christine Jorgenson, f. i Chippewa Co., Wis. 4.9.1884,

 

     ##### (destiny?)

 

????

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XR1V-G72

Name: Kristine Jorgenson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 04 Sep 1884
Birthplace: Elk Mount, Dunn, Wisconsin
Father's Name: Johannes Jorgensen
Mother's Name: Karoline Nielson
 

[Grethe Flood]

15 timer siden, Lars E. Øyane skrev:

d. Nils H.

 

     ##### (middle name?)

 

     Jorgenson, f. i Chippewa Co., Wis. 27.12.1882,

 

     ##### (destiny?)

 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRJQ-RXG

Name: Nils H. Jorgenson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 Dec 1882
Birthplace: Elk Mound, Dunn, Wisconsin
Race: White
Father's Name: Johannis Jorgenson
Mother's Name: Karoline Nilson
 

 

 

Endret Januar 18, 2020 av Grethe Flood

[Ivar Moe]

1 time siden, Grethe Flood skrev:

Gurina Nelson	Daughter	F	12	Wisconsin, United States
Mina Nelson	Daughter	F	10	Wisconsin, United States
Louisa Nelson	Daughter	F	8	Wisconsin, United States

 

Iflg. f.t. 1880 er datteren Gurina er født i 1868:

 

Folketelling 1930

NavnGurina Nelson

KjønnKvinne

FødtCa. 1867

  Wisconsin, United States

Bosted1930

  Madelia, Watonwan, Minnesota, USA

Alder63

EktskapsstatusGift

RaseHvit

SpråkEngelsk

Fars fødested  Norway

Mors fødested  Norway

MannEven Nelson

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Grethe og Ivar for nye spennande innlegg om denne huslyden!

 

Caroline Jensdotter frå Målselv hadde heile slekti si i dette området i Wisconsin, og eg har mellom anna finne dødsfalli til foreldri hennar:

 

Jens Nilsen, 72 år, døydde 14.5.1895, medan Hanna Nilsen er skrivi avlidi 25.1.1902.  Dei vart gravlagde frå Baerum Lutheran church i Elk Mound, Dunn Co., WI, som vel var same kyrkja som der dei yngste borni til Johannes og Caroline, Nils og Kristine, vart døypte!  Farmen deira låg i Wheaton township, Chippewa Co., WI, heilt på grensa til Eik Mound i Dunn Co., WI der kyrkja låg!

 

Her er forresten Hanna Nelson som enkje i FT1900 - då busett hjå dotteri Oleanna «Lena» Ludvigson i Elk Mound, WI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRQ9-84H

 

Eg har so langt ikkje greidd å finna dødsfall til nokon av søskeni hennar Caroline.  Kanskje finst det obituaries?

 

Elles meiner eg å ha finne ein svært god «kandidat» for saueklyppar John Jorgenson (Jr) i denne John ERICKSON, som i 1910 var busett som saueklyppar i Rawlins, Carbon Co., WY:

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBX-QP

 

Han hadde rett alder, rett førenamn, rett fødestad og foreldre fødde i Noreg!  Kanskje voks han opp hjå fosterforeldre Erickson, eller gifte mori seg att med ein Erickson?

 

Eg lever framleis i voni om at huslyden vil dukka opp og takkar på ny for alle gode tips!

[Grethe Flood]

Jeg ser i folketellingene at innvandringsåret på Lena Ludvigsen varierer mellom 1860 og 1861. 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMKX-YD6

Name: Lena Ludwigson
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1900
Event Place: Elk Mound town, Dunn, Wisconsin, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 41
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Wife
Number of Living Children: 4
Years Married: 22
Birth Date: Aug 1859
Birthplace: Norway
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1878
Immigration Year: 1861
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother of how many children: 6
 

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Christ Ludwigson	Head	M	50	Norway
Lena Ludwigson	Wife	F	41	Norway
Hans Ludwigson	Son	M	19	Wisconsin
Carl Ludwigson	Son	M	10	Wisconsin
William Ludwigson	Son	M	2	Wisconsin

 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPVR-6J4

Name: Lena Ludwigson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1910
Event Place: Elk Mound, Dunn, Wisconsin, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 52
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Wife
Birth Year (Estimated): 1858
Birthplace: Norway
Immigration Year: 1860
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Sheet Letter: A
Sheet Number: 1
 

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Christ Ludwigorn	Head	M	62	Norway
Lena Ludwigson	Wife	F	52	Norway
Carl Ludwigson	Son	M	19	Wisconsin
Willie Ludwigson	Son	M	11	Wisconsin

 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9QH-YZ8

Name: Lena Ludvigson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Elk Mound, Dunn, Wisconsin, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 71
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1859
Birthplace: Norway
Immigration Year: 1861
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Sheet Letter: A
Sheet Number: 3
 

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Lena Ludvigson	Head	F	71	Norway
Ludvig Ludvigson	Son	M	51	Wisconsin
Dorothy Ludvigson	Granddaughter	F	18	Wisconsin
Arnold Ludvigson	Grandson	M	16	Wisconsin

 

På Hannah Nelson i 1900 står det immigrasjonsår 1868:

 

Name: Hannah Nelson
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1900
Event Place: Elk Mound town, Dunn, Wisconsin, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 70
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Number of Living Children: 9
Birth Date: Jun 1830
Birthplace: Norway
Immigration Year: 1868
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother of how many children: 13
 

Men datteren Gurina ble vel født etter at de kom til USA, så da er det nok ikke rett innvandringsår på Hanna. 

[Grethe Flood]

20 timer siden, Ivar Moe skrev:

21 timer siden, Grethe Flood skrev:

Gurina Nelson	Daughter	F	12	Wisconsin, United States
Mina Nelson	Daughter	F	10	Wisconsin, United States
Louisa Nelson	Daughter	F	8	Wisconsin, United States

 

Iflg. f.t. 1880 er datteren Gurina er født i 1868:

 

Folketelling 1930

NavnGurina Nelson

KjønnKvinne

FødtCa. 1867

  Wisconsin, United States

Bosted1930

  Madelia, Watonwan, Minnesota, USA

Alder63

EktskapsstatusGift

RaseHvit

SpråkEngelsk

Fars fødested  Norway

Mors fødested  Norway

MannEven Nelson

 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4MM-LVH

Name: Gurene M Nelson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1920
Event Place: Riverdale, Watonwan, Minnesota, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 53
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Wife
Birth Year (Estimated): 1867
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Sheet Letter: A
Sheet Number: 5
 

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Even Nelson	Head	M	57	Norway
Gurene M Nelson	Wife	F	53	Wisconsin
Oliver J Nelson	Son	M	12	Minnesota

 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M259-VX2

Name: Oliver J Nelson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1910
Event Place: St James Ward 2, Watonwan, Minnesota, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1908
Birthplace: Minnesota
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Minnesota
Sheet Letter: B
Sheet Number: 22
 

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Evan Nelson	Head	M	37	Norway
Genne M Nelson	Wife	F	33	Minnesota
Oliver J Nelson	Son	M	2	Minnesota
John Nelson	Father	M	77	Norway
Elizabeth Riley	Boarder	F	28	Minnesota
Parmilla Langness	Boarder	F	73	Norway

 

 

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Grethe for nye spennande innlegg!

 

Når det gjeld Gurina Nelson i Minnesota, ser det ut til at ho kanskje høyrer til ei anna ætt, jmf. vigsli;

 

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Name	Even Nelson
Birth Date	13 Oct 1862
Birthplace	Norway
Spouse's Name	Gurine O. Grove
Spouse's Birth Date	20 Jun 1866
Spouse's Birthplace	United States
Event Date	05 Jun 1901
Event Place	Lake Hanska, Brown, Minnesota

 

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Dette er truleg dødsfallet til Even Nelson:

 

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Name	Even Nelson
Event Type	Death
Event Date	16 Nov 1933
Event Place	Madelia, Watonwan, Minnesota, United States
Event Place (Original)	Madelia, Watonwan, Minnesota, United States
Gender	Male
Age	71
Birth Year (Estimated)	1862
Father's Name	John Nelson
Mother's Name	Maxit Haroldson
Spouse's Name	Gurina Nelson

 

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Men kanskje er det mogeleg å spora opp Olina «Lena» Ludvigson?  Eg ser at Find-a-grave har ein del Ludvigsons gravlagde ved Elk Mound, WI: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/search?firstname=&middlename=&lastname=Ludvigson&birthyear=&birthyearfilter=&deathyear=&deathyearfilter=3&location=Dunn+County%2C+Wisconsin%2C+United+States+of+America&locationId=county_3008&linkedToName=&memorialid=&mcid=&datefilter=&orderby=

 

men Lena har truleg ingen gravstøtte...

 

Vigsli hennar:

 

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Name	Christian Ludvigson
Spouse's Name	Olena Nelson
Event Date	26 May 1878
Event Place	Dunn, Wisconsin, United States
Father's Name	Hans Ludvigson
Mother's Name	Hellen
Spouse's Father's Name	Jens Nelson
Spouse's Mother's Name	Hannah

 

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Her er vigsli til søsteri Martha:

 

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Name	Lars Martin Benson
Spouse's Name	Marthe Nilson
Event Date	25 Dec 1880
Event Place	Dunn, Wisconsin, United States
Father's Name	Ever
Mother's Name	Greth
Spouse's Father's Name	Jens Nilson
Spouse's Mother's Name	Hanna

 

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Og dette er vel søsteri Anna Maria:

 

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Name	John O. Melby
Spouse's Name	Anna Marie Nilsen
Event Date	20 Feb 1886
Event Place	Eau Claire, Wisconsin, United States
Father's Name	Christian Hansen Melby
Mother's Name	Inger Maria Melby
Spouse's Father's Name	Jens Nilsen
Spouse's Mother's Name	Hannah Nilsen

 

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Og her er gravstøttene deira i Eau Claire, WI: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/100047571/john-c_-melby

 

For Melby-huslyden finn eg eit uttal av family trees hjå ancestry.com: https://www.ancestry.com/search/categories/42/?name=John_Melby&event=_wisconsin-usa_52&count=50&event_x=_1-0&name_x=ps_ps

 

Og her er ein OBITUARY for Anna Marie: https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/58156847/person/44036696072/media/d6512fcb-6171-4b94-a9aa-209f9adf7e7f

Tre søstrer levde att etter Anna Marie i 1946:

* Mrs. Anna Garvick of Minneapolis, MN

* Mrs. Hannah Nelson of Shevan, MN

* Mrs. Louis Hanson of York, ND

 

Kanskje nokon ser eit vis på å komma vidare?  Fleire OBITUARIES er svært velkomne!

 

Eg takkar på ny for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å spora opp denne huslyden i Amerika!

[Dag Arne Danielsen]

Hei Lars.

 

Jeg følger med spenning med på din jakt på hvor det ble av Johannes Jorgenson alias John Joranger (1827-1891),

som for øvrig er broren til min kones tippoldefar Peder Jørgenson Joranger (1825-1904) - som var den som overtok gården på Joranger.

Emnet har jo vært diskutert i lang tid, så det er kanskje en viss fare for at det jeg her tar opp er nevnt før. Men jeg prøver allikevel.

 

Jeg ser her av folketellingen i 1930 at Margaret L Jorgenson (1925-2003) var "Adopted Daughter" for John og Anna Jorgenson:

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=6224&h=111979372&indiv=try

 

Ser og av samme telling at John er "Ship Shearer" (som du har nevnt før) og at hans bror Carl bor i den samme husstanden.

 

På denne slektstavlen er ellers Margaret sine foreldre oppgitt til en Marion Anderson og Walter Christian Jörgensen !!

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/86184070/person/302037913057/facts

 

Dette bringer oss vel ikke så mye nærmere, men alle bekker små....

 

Lykke til videre i jakten på Johannes Jorgenson alias John Joranger !

 

Mvh Dag Arne Danielsen

 

Endret Januar 20, 2020 av Dag Arne Danielsen

[Lars E. Øyane]

Heisan,

 

Hjarteleg takk til Dag Arne for siste innlegget!  Det er jo tydeleg at ein eller annan i denne slekti har jobba med ei ættetavle, og kanskje er det på bakgrunn av dette at eg i fjor vart kontakta av Mrs. Crossen, ei svigerdotter av Margaret Jorgensen, som eg ikkje sidan har lukkast få kontakt att med!

 

Uansett, sjølv om Margaret var adoptert, trur eg IKKJE ho høyrer til denne «alternative» Jorgensen-familien, og her er heller ingen opplysningar om den Jorgensen-familien som eg leiter etter...

 

Her er forresten huslyden til Jens og Hanna NELSON i FT1870 for Elk Mound, Dunn Co., WI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XMS-M7Z

Her ser me at Anna (age 6) og Gurena (age 2) var fødde i Wisconsin!   Dei må med andre ord ha utvandra ein gong mellom 1862 og 1864!

 

Etter å ha studert litt nærare dei ulike family trees hjå ancestry.com, som eg refererte til over, fann eg dette treet:

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/58156847/person/270129185554/facts

 

Eigaren er tydeleg ein etterkomar etter dotteri Anna Marie alias Mary A. Melby, og han har samla mange opplysningar om denne huslyden, m.a. finn eg denne OBITUARIEN for Lena LUDVIGSON frå 1934:

 

https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/58156847/person/270146609540/media/0a26a959-ad04-45c0-89fe-36d1819e9488

 

Her vert dei attlevande seks søskeni, alle søstrer, opprekna:

 

Lena (Oleanna Christine) LUDVIGSON var f. i Målselv 6.8.1859

* Mrs. Martha BENSON of Chicago, IL (Martha f. Målselv 24.8.1857)

* Mrs. Louise HANSON of York, SD(!) (Berthilde Lovise f. WI 1.9.1872)

* Mrs. Hannah Jens NELSON of Luck, WI (Johanna, f. WI ?? 1864)

* Mrs. Anna Garvick of Minneapolis, MN (Anna Gurina, f. WI ?? 1867/1868)

* Mrs. Minnie Sorenson of Elk Mound, WI (Mina Toline f. WI 27.6.1870)

* Mrs. Mary Melby of Eau Claire, WI (Anna Maria f. Målselv 4.12.1861)

 

Me kan altso gå ut ifrå at Caroline Jorgensen/Joranger døydde FØR 1934.  Eg ser følgjande alternativ for å finna lagnaden hennar:

 

** OBITUARIES etter foreldri Jens NELSON, som døydde 14.5.1895, og/eller Hannah NELSON, som døydde 25.1.1902, båe  Ealk Mkund eller Eau Claire, WI

 

** Oppsporing av brørne Christian (f. Målselv 17.1.1854) og/eller Jens (f. Målselv 3.9.1855) og OBITUARIES etter dei?

 

** Oppsporing av søsteri Hannah NELSON, som 1946 var busett i Shevin, MN (Shevlin, Clearwater Co., MN?) og OBITUARY eller PROBATE etter ho?

 

Denne huslyden er framleis ei kjempeutfordring, men kanskje nærmar me oss ei løysing?  Eg vil skriva til eigaren av treet hjå ancestry og sjå kva det kan bringa av opplysningar...

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å løysa denne kjempegåta!

Endret Januar 20, 2020 av Lars E. Øyane

[Ivar Moe]

Mary A Melby 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/100047542/mary-a_-melby

 

Minnie Sørensen

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/119515451/minnie-sorenson

 

Anna Garvick

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/101582894/anna-g-garvick

 

??? Datter til Martha ??

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chicagotribune/obituary.aspx?n=mary-c-benson&pid=86650042&fhid=2075

 

 

 

 

 

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Ivar for siste innlegget!

 

Då har me litt fleire presisjonar om denne huslyden.  Eg fann eller dødsattesten til Anna GARVICK og vil tinga ein kopi for å sjå kva dei har som fødestad og fødselsdato...

 

Name	Anna Gerain Garvick
Event Type	Death
Event Date	24 Oct 1952
Event Place	St. Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota, United States
Event Place (Original)	Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota
Gender	Female
Age	86
Birth Date	1866
Birthplace	Wisconsin
Father's Name	Nelson
Spouse's Name	Engel Garvick
Certificate Number	27442

 

Elles er det jo den ugifte søsteri Hanna som kan vera den store «lykkjelen» i denne huslyden...

 

Elles har eg framleis ikkje fått noko svar frå eigaren av familetreet hjå ancestry.com, men eg la merke til at han ikkje hadde vore online på fleire månadar, so det kan verta ei stund å venta..

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å komplettera denne biografien!

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hei igjen!

 

Eg gløymde heilt å spørja i siste innlegg om nokon kan hjelpa meg finna ein OBITUARY for Anna Garvick?  Ho budde for det meste in Minneapolis, MN, men døydde altso i St. Paul, MN 24.10.1952...

 

Kanskje søsteri Hanna er nemnd?

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for hjelpi med å finna att denne huslyden!

[Dag Arne Danielsen]

Hei Lars.

 

Ser at "Find a grave" for Minnie Nelson (som Ivar fant) har denne teksten: 

Daughter of James and Hannah Nelson who were natives of Norway and immigrated to the U.S. in the early 1860s, and to Dunn county WI. where they settled a tract of 160 acres of land in section 2, town of Elk Mound. Minnie was one of a family of 13 children. Minnie married Sam Sorenson, son of Andreas and Elizabeth Sorenson of Barum, Norway on August 17 1895. Sam and Minnie were parents of 4 children.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/119515451/minnie-sorenson

 

Etter å ha studert litt nærmere på ulike tre på ancestry.com, fant jeg dette treet:

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/34023382/family?cfpid=19563015053

Der er oppgitt (kun) åtte barn etter  Jens og Hanna, men dessverre ingen Caroline.

Jeg har nettopp skrevet til eieren av dette treet og spurt om de har noen opplysninger om Caroline og hennes mann Johannes.

Vi kan jo håpe at de kan føre oss litt nærmer målet.

 

Jeg fant også dette treet og har rettet samme spørsmål til de:

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/105117853/family?cfpid=290051098502

 

Mvh Dag Arne

Endret Januar 22, 2020 av Dag Arne Danielsen

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Dag Arne for siste meldingi!

 

Det er kjempebra at du har lokalisert fleire tre for denne huslyden, og det ser ut til at desse to tre-eigarane er meir aktive på nettet enn han som eg skreiv til her om dagen.

 

I det suste treet fann eg forresten det som kan sjå ut som OBITUARY etter Anna GARVICK, me eg greier ikkje forstørra dette biuletet slik at dset vert leseleg.  Kanskje nokon anna kan prøva seg: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/105117853/person/292027985679/gallery

 

Elles har eg nettopp òg oppdaga lagnaden til den yngste søsteri i denne huslyden:

 

Louise Hanson:  Ho døydde i Pierce Co., ND 11.3.1969, 96 år gamal, men var på den tidi busett i Minnewaukan, Benson Co., ND og ligg gravlagd i York, Benson Co., ND: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/50344729

 

Hadde me berre greidd å finna dødsfallet (og ein OBITUARY) for den ugift søsteri Hannah Nelson...!?  Men ein OBITUARY for Louise ville òg vera spennande...

 

Her er forresten ein kopi av den meldingi eg sende til den tre-eigaren som eg oppdaga for to dagar sidan (men som framleis ikkje har svart...):

 

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Donovan Putnam family tree - Jens and Hanna Nelson of Dunn Co.., WI

Jan 20, 2020

Dear Mr. Putnam!

I have today discovered your extensive Putnam family tree on ancestry.com, and I would first of all like to compliment you on a great piece of work!

I am a Norwegian historian working on writing biographies on all families descending from the County of Luster in Western Norway, and one of the families I have been working on for years appears to be connected to the Jens Nelson family from which you descend!

Jens Nelson was born in Upper Kalix in Sweden about 1820, but moved with his parents and four sisters in 1833 to Maalselv Co., Norway where he married Oct. 6, 1850 to Hanna Carstenson, born in Tranoy Co., Norway June 2 1829. The couple farmed on the Utrapet estate in Maalselv Co., Norway until they emigrated to Wisconsin in 1862 or 1863. They settled at Elk Mound, Dunn Co., WI where Jens died on May 14, 1895. Hanna Nelson died at Elk Mound oŕ in Eau Claire, WI on Jan. 25, 1902. I am aware of the following children in this family:

* Ole Christian Bersvendson (illegitimate), born in Maalselv Co., Norway Sep. 12, 1846
* Jens Nelson, born in Maalselv Co., Norway June 27, 1850, died in infancy
* Caroline Nelson, born in Maalselv Co., Norway Apr. 11, 1852
* Christian Nelson, born in Maalselv Co., Norway Jan. 17, 1854
* Jens Nelson, born in Maalselv Co., Norway Sep. 3, 1855
* Martha Nelson, born in Maalselv Co., Norway Aug. 23, 1857
* Oleanna Christine Nelson, born in Maalselv Co., Norway Aug. 6, 1859
* Anna Maria Nelson, born in Maalselv Co., Norway Dec. 4, 1861
* Johanna Nelson, born in WI spring of 1864(?)
* Anna Gurina Nelson, born in WI in 1867/1868
* Mina Tolina Nelson, born in Dunn Co., WI June 27, 1870
* Berthilda Louise Nelson, born in Dunn Co., WI Sep. 1, 1872

In your family tree you have found the obituary for Oleanna aka Lena Ludvigson from 1934. At that time Martha as well as all of her five younger sisters were alive, and you have included excellent information about most of them as well as about their families!

However, the one who interest me the most, is Caroline, born Apr. 11, 1852. She was married in Dunn Co., WI May 29, 1876 to Johannes «John» Jorgensen (Joranger), born in Luster Co., Norway Aug. 5, 1827. He emigrated in 1860. John and Caroline settled on a farm just east of Elk Mound in Wheaton township, Chippewa Co., WI, but lost the farm due to missing tax payments about 1890, and John died about Mar. 1, 1891 while going on the train from Eau Claire, WI to Oshkosh, WI. What later happened to Caroline, is unknown, but she may have remarried someone named Erickson(?). John and Caroline had five children that I know of:

* Betsy Marie Jorgenson - born in Chippewa Co., WI spring of 1877 - was confirmed in 1893 - later unknown

* Johan Peder aka John J. Jorgenson - born in Chippewa Co., WI Oct. 20, 1878 - was a sheep shearer and died in Seattle, WA Nov. 28, 1866. He shows up the first time being «of Lewiston, ID» when he married in Yakima Co., WA Apr. 2, 1913 to Anna M. Schmitz - then moved to Seattle, WA and always lived there.

* Carl Jorgenson - born in Chippewa Co., WI June 25, 1880, was also a sheep shearer and died single in Seattle, WA Nov. 18, 1962. His funeral card says he had lived in WA for 50 years!

* Nels H. Jorgenson - born in Chippewa Co., WI Dec. 27, 1882 - later unknown

* Christine Jorgenson - born in Chippewa Co., WI Sep. 4, 1884 - later unknown

I would be VERY interested in finding more details on this family, and I see a few possibile sources:

** Locating OBITUARIES for the parents Jens NELSON, died May 14, 1895, and/or Hannah NELSON, died Jan. 25, 1902, both in Elk Mound or Eau Claire, WI

** Tracing the brothers Christian (born Jan. 17, 1854) and/or Jens (born Sep. 3, 1855) and their OBITUARIES?

** Following up on the single sister Johanna «Hannah» NELSON, who in 1946 was a resident of Shevin, MN (?Shevlin, Clearwater Co., MN?) and her OBITUARY and/or PROBATE record?

If you are interested, I could probably help you find further information about the ancestry of Jens and Hanna Nelson in Norway and Sweden?

I hope you find some of this information to be of interest, and I would be more than delighted to hear from again at your earliest convenience. Thanks a million in advance!

Very sincerely yours,

Lars E. Oyane - Luster County Historian - lars@oyane.fr

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Ein ny kjempetakk for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å spora opp denne huslyden!

[Sven Hjortland]

7 minutter siden, Lars E. Øyane skrev:

Kanskje nokon anna kan prøva seg: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/105117853/person/292027985679/gallery

 

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Sven for eit kjapt innlegg!

 

No oppdagar eg at vedkommande tre-eigar har «lurt» oss.  Dette er jo ikkje OBITUARY etter Anna Garvick men etter søsteri Lena...  Men det var jo ikkje so godt å sjå utan å lesa teksten...

 

Men kanskje Sven, eller andre, kan greia finna Anna Garvick og Pauline Hanson mellom OBITUARIES?

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for framifrå bistand med denne huslyden!

Endret Januar 23, 2020 av Lars E. Øyane

[Lars E. Øyane]

I ettermiddag kontakta eg «obituary»-lista hjå Rotsweb, og der fekk eg kontant svar:

 

The Dunn County News       Menomonie WI

31 Jan 1902                         Page 8

 

 

 

This says Anna Nelson but I'm sure it is Hannah.

 

• The Dunn County News (Menomonie, Wisconsin)
• 31 Jan 1902, Fri
• Page 5

 

 

Eg kan ikkje sjå desse OBITUARIANE i innlegget, men eg vonar dei er medkomne.  Dverre seier dei ikkje stort...

[Lars E. Øyane]

dobbelføring...

Endret Januar 22, 2020 av Lars E. Øyane

[Sven Hjortland]

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/42804690/anna_nelson/

[Sven Hjortland]

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=4984&h=274880&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ITW715&_phstart=successSource

 

Name:	Hannah Nelson
Death Date:	25 Jan 1902
Death Place:	Dunn, Wisconsin, USA
Volume:	02
Page Number:	0005
Reel:	024
Image:	0079
Sequence Number:	274878

[Dag Arne Danielsen]

Hei Lars.

 

Jeg fikk i dag dette svaret fra eieren av dette treet på ancestry.com : https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/34023382/family?cfpid=19563015053

"Jens Nelson were hard for me to find on line info on.  They appear to have gone by James in America.  The other factor is that the area they settled in, western Wisconsin and central Minnesota has the largest concentration of Scandinavia people in the world outside of Scandavavia!  They also adopted the American custom of not changing surnames.  What this means, is there are soooo many Nelson’s! Multiplied by many generations... everyone is a Nelson here!  Or Anderson, Olson, Johnson or PETERSON!  

Elk mound or Dunn county would have historical records that could be requested.  This is a small town and may not have computerized records.

I will try to keep my eye out and let you know if I find more."

 

Kanskje det kunne være en idee å skrive direkte til Elk mound or Dunn county ?  Se og Dunn County, Wisconsin Genealogy og WIGenWeb Archives Project Dunn County

 

Mvh Dag Arne 

 

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Sven og Dag Arne for nye interessante innlegg!

 

Det var diverre ikkje stort å få greie på gjennom dei to amerikanske dødsmeldingane frå 1902, men so veldig overraskja er eg eigentleg ikkje.  OBITUARIES frå den tidi pleier vera ganske so «tunne» om dei i det heile tatt finst!  Her er forresten teksten frå hi meldingi:

 

«Mrs. Hannah Nelson,  an old resident of this place, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. S. Sorenson, last Sunday»

 

Eg trur ikkje at Dunn County Historical Society har so mykje å by på i denne samanhangen.  Det kjem litt an på kva dei har i samlingane deira.  Derimot er eg meir optimist når det gjeld Dunn County Probate Court.  Det KAN tenkjast at det finst eit skifte etter Jens og/eller Hanna.  Eit anna alternativ ville vera det lokale eigedomsregisteret (Dunn County Register of Deeds).  Eg lyt freista ein par telefonar...

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for framifdrå bistand i freistnadane på å spora opp denne huslyden i Amerika!

[Ivar Moe]

Går litt i surr for meg vedrørende denne familien, men er ikke disse involvert på ett eller annet vis?

 

BIOGRAPHIES:   Sam SORENSON, Elk Mound Township, Dunn Co., WI

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SAM SORENSON, of Section 3, town of Elk Mound, who belongs to the
sturdy agricultural class on which society depends for the chief
necessaries of life, and in which the country is now taking a more
than ordinary interest, was born on his parents' farm in this town on
July 6, 1865, son of Andreas and Elizabeth Sorenson. The parents,
natives of Barrum, Norway, came to America in 1860 and directly to
Dunn County, settling on the farm above mentioned in Section 21, town
of Elk Mound. It was then, however, merely 120 acres of wild land,
and its subsequent value depended on Mr. Sorenson's strong arms and
industrious habits. In effecting its transformation into a good
modern farm he was greatly aided by his wife, who, like himself, was
built of good pioneer material and managed the household with care
and frugality. They spent 22 years on that place, starting with log
buildings, which Andreas Sorenson erected, and clearing more land
from year to year. In 1882 he sold that farm a! nd in partnership
with his son Sam bought one of 80 acre in Section 3, where he put up
a house and other buildings, though he and his wife did not move to
it until 1884, in the meanwhile residing on a rented farm. On the
latter farm they subsequently resided until their death, Mr. Sorenson
passing away first, on April 18, 1891, and Mrs. Sorenson on Nov. 14,
1893. Their children, six in number, were Maren, Arne, Randi, Lars,
Lena and Sam, of whom Sam is the only one now living. Sam Sorenson as
a boy attended the school of his district, after he was old enough
assisting his father to develop the home farm, which he did until he
was 20 years old. Then going to Washburn, Wis., he found employment
as "carriage man" in the sawmill there, a job at which he worked for
eight years. At the end of that time he returned home to take over
the management of the farm and care for his parents, upon whom the
years were beginning to press heavily. In fact he not only took over
the management, but ! the farm became his property, the other heirs
signing off their claims in his favor in consideration of his
previous services and with the stipulation that he should continue to
care for the parents for the rest of their lives, and this he did. He
has done his share as a progressive farmer to keep abreast of the
times in everything pertaining to his business. He has remodeled the
farm residence, built a good barn and other out-buildings and has
cleared and developed many more acres of land. He is engaged in
general farming and dairying with good results, and is a stockholder
in the Colfax Produce Co. of Colfax. On Aug., 17, 1895, Sam Sorenson
was united in marriage with Minnie Nelson, who was born in the town
of Elk Mound, June 27, 1870, daughter of James and Hannah Nelson. Her
parents were natives of Norway who came to this country in the early
60's, and to Dunn County, Wis., settling on a tract of 160 acres of
land in Section 2, town of Elk Mound, and, starting in pioneer
fashion ! with a set of log buildings, which Mr. Nelson erected, they
sold, moving to the village of Elk Mound, where Mr. Nelson died May
14, 1895, and Mrs. Nelson Feb. 22, 1902. They had a large family of
13 children, namely: Ole, deceased; Christ, who met his death from
drowning; Nels, deceased; Caroline, deceased, who was the wife of
John Jurgenson; James, of Eau Claire; Martha, who married Lars Benson
and is now a widow living in Chicago; Lena, residing in Elk Mound
village, the widow of Christ Ludvigson; Mary, living in Eau Claire
County, the wife of John Melby; Hannah, who married Edd Gunderson and
is now a widow; Anna, also a widow, whose husband was Engebrit
Garvick; Minnie, who is Mrs. Sam Sorenson; Louise, wife of John
Hanson and residing in North Dakota; and one who died in infancy. Mr.
and Mrs. Sorenson are the parents of four children, all residing at
home with them, who were born as follows: Arthur J., Dec. 22, 1896;
Henry L., May 22, 1900; Mildred, July 17, 1902, and Hazel L., Feb.
3, 1906.

-Transcribed from the "History of Dunn County Wisconsin, 1925," pages 819-820

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